Hip Hop vs. Rap

CalcuoCuchicheo · Jan 21, 2005

I think that, although it was never intended to be, Changes is a pop song for the reason Pittsey just said.

I think what Shot 21 hates is songs which are made with the premeditated notion of it being a pop song, ie. Just Lose It, which of course Changes was not.

Hurts · Jan 21, 2005

but b4 jasons says otherwise...just lose it was meant to be a pop song and is nothing but a marketing trick

Pittsey · Jan 21, 2005

CalcuoCuchicheo said:

Truth. Although it was in the end aimed at a pop audience, that's why they changed the hook. Pac never intended it to be pop, or probably to be released. But Amaru made it a pop song, that was their intention.

CalcuoCuchicheo · Jan 21, 2005

Yep, I was going to include in my post what you just said about 'Pac's intentions and Amaru's intentions but I figured everyone would get it.

Then again Jason & MAKaveli 10 have posted here....

Zero Cool · Jan 21, 2005

jason_g_718 said:

Am I the only one who thinks there's a difference between hip hop and rap? I know, or at least I think that most people just see the two as being synonyms of each other, but I don't see it that way. For example, from my perspective, here's the difference between rap and hip hop:

Hip Hop music is songs such as:
Changes, Country Grammar, In Da Club, Business, Holidae Inn

Rap music is songs such as:
Blasphemy, Soldier, Black Gloves, What's My Name?

To me hip hop is representative of songs that have more of a lighter attitude about them, or songs that have a pop-like sound. For example, Business is a hip hop song, but I don't see it being pop. However, Changes is also a hip hop song to me, but it is DEFINATELY pop.

And obviously by the things I typed above, a rapper can make both hip hop AND rap songs.

Am I the only one that views this from this perspective?

I agree with you.

jason_g_718 · Jan 21, 2005

Shot 21 said:

Seems to me like you people blasting me can't even agree on definitions.

One person say "hip hop is the culture, and rap music is apart of that culture."

Now you say "hip hop is the music and rapping is what they do".

Y'all blast me for "not knowing anything", but y'all can't even agree on your own definitions.

Man...more and more laughs by the day from some of you people.

jason_g_718 · Jan 21, 2005

Shot 21 said:

Pop music relates to the sound, not the lyrics.

Changes is as pop as you can possibly fucking get.

Hurts · Jan 21, 2005

jason_g_718 said:

wtf are u judgin us for ? cuz this dude is talking shit u take it as truth? man this proves what kind of dumbass u really are...hiphop is the culture and rap is one of the elements...emceeing...like u got dejaying breaking and doing graff...u dumbass read a fuckin book and come back jason...dumbass...ur a fuckin disgrace to all hiphop fans

Zero Cool · Jan 21, 2005

Hurts said:

wtf are u judgin us for ? cuz this dude is talking shit u take it as truth? man this proves what kind of dumbass u really are...hiphop is the culture and rap is one of the elements...emceeing...like u got dejaying breaking and doing graff...u dumbass read a fuckin book and come back jason...dumbass...ur a fuckin disgrace to all hiphop fans

Another classic Hurts post :rolleyes:

Hurts · Jan 21, 2005

Zero Cool said:

sorry for typin the truth.........

Pittsey · Jan 21, 2005

It's true. Hip-hop is the culture. Rap is just a part of hip-hop there are many parts. Some which aren't a part of the music side.
The definitions have got a bit lost down the line, especially with the movement of the music to mainstream, and the mis-reporting by the press. But the truth is what Hurts says, even if he doesn't say it vey nicely.

CalcuoCuchicheo · Jan 21, 2005

Another true Hurts post. For real.

BTW, Zero Cool you agreed with Jason proving that you know jackshit so, until you've got a bit more educated on the subject, don't even try to take the piss out of, or look down on, anyone.

Zero Cool · Jan 21, 2005

CalcuoCuchicheo said:

Are you trying to lay down the law to me or something? I don't often agree with Jason but on this I think he has a discernable point, in many people's mind including mine Hip-Hop and Rap have their particular distingushing features, to say they do not or "Rap is simply a part of Hip-Hop" is not looking at the situation objectively.

N.B. "Another true Hurts post. For real." That one quote says it all really.

Roaddogz · Jan 21, 2005

jason_g_718 said:

Am I the only one who thinks there's a difference between hip hop and rap? I know, or at least I think that most people just see the two as being synonyms of each other, but I don't see it that way. For example, from my perspective, here's the difference between rap and hip hop:

Hip Hop music is songs such as:
Changes, Country Grammar, In Da Club, Business, Holidae Inn

Rap music is songs such as:
Blasphemy, Soldier, Black Gloves, What's My Name?

To me hip hop is representative of songs that have more of a lighter attitude about them, or songs that have a pop-like sound. For example, Business is a hip hop song, but I don't see it being pop. However, Changes is also a hip hop song to me, but it is DEFINATELY pop.

And obviously by the things I typed above, a rapper can make both hip hop AND rap songs.

Am I the only one that views this from this perspective?

i see wot u mean... but its all as one... but split into 2 kinda sections

Pittsey · Jan 21, 2005

As you lot still don't seem to get it. They are not 2 genres of music!!! Hip-hop isn't music. Here's a book.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/104-1679777-2299927?v=glance&s=books

If this isn't any good just go on any retail site and search for a history of hip-hop, or try google.

CalcuoCuchicheo · Jan 21, 2005

But, 'rap is simple a part of hip-hop', is the truth - which you seem to have a real problem with.

As for your attempt at wit, that's about as funny as dropping the soap in the pen. surrounded by guys with names like Bubba Joe who're just desperate for a 'cuddle'...... then again you might like that

Zero Cool · Jan 21, 2005

CalcuoCuchicheo said:

Witty yet tripe. I have no problem with that, what I (and I believe Jason) is saying is there are "discernable differences between the two" are you unable to comprehend me?

Pittsey · Jan 21, 2005

Pittsey said:

Stop arguing, buy the fucking book. Hurts is right!!!

Hurts · Jan 21, 2005

Pittsey said:

yeah ive read parts of this one ( had to return it to the library)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...gy_img_2/103-2134579-9156602?v=glance&s=books

its really nice to read and im thinkin of gettin it back lol....its really nice to read i recommend to ne 1...who is interested in hiphop..or doesnt know shit about it yet but is willing to get educated...

This man.. Nelson George discribes how he felt hiphop was like at the time( when it started) and what he has seen....if ur like me young and interested in hiphop you read this book to catch up...

CalcuoCuchicheo · Jan 21, 2005

I, worryingly enough, do understand your stupidity but that doesn't take away from the fact that you're wrong.

Fuck it. Buy the fucking book.

Put your money to good use, otherwise you might end up purchasing country music or some shit thinking that it's some other genre of music.....

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