Film & TV Lost Season 4 Discussion

[Preach]

Lost Season 3 Discussion

Firstly, if The Others need Locke (and brought his father onto the island), then surely they would have asked Michael to bring them Locke as well as Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley.

i think that by the end of the season we'll have a lot of answers. it's pretty hard to say why they did all the things they did. i do believe they are a little sinister however. it's obvious that the writers of the show have been trying to show you the others from a different perspective with the book club, the laughing and all the good stuff. tom has gone from being a scary tribe leader to what seems like a regular family man. i believe they are throwing us around and by the end of the season, you'll see that while there are answers to why they did a lot of the things they did, we just might not agree. btw this has nothing to with anything what so ever, i'm just high

so about locke, ya, totally agree with you. cannabis and forming opinions are two activites that should not be mixed together.

While we're on the subject, we don't know why they asked for Kate and Sawyer do we? If it was to blackmail Jack into doing the surgery, then why choose Sawyer? Not exactly the best of friends.

what i find moreso intriguing is that mikhail said that kate, sayid and locke couldn't comprehend how he came to be on the island, because they are simply not capable of understanding. so if they're so flawed and not on the great list, why take them despite that. and i still wonder why they took their blood. let me rephrase, i'm still wondering why they need/want blood from flawed people. obviously they can't be flawed themselves.

Anyway, my first thought was that Cooper had tried to flee, after pushing Locke out of the window, and had somehow found his way to The Island, where he was captured.

whichever the case, i also don't think he was conjured by the island. i believe it's locke's real dad and that he came to be on the island somehow, but not magically.

Calling him "The Man from Tallahassee" kind of implies that Ben doesn't know his name, maybe that he'd interrogated him and asked him who he was, where he was from etc.

i think it was more of a code to let alpert know that a) he wants him to bring the "foreign guy" (which is more like the vibe i get from "the man from tallahasse" from ben), and b) that locke is somewhere around, but can't yet know that they have his dad. or something. i dunno, i don't disagree with you, i just want it to be more mysterious and your way is too easy or well no it isn't, but it's hostile and you're ugly.

no... no, it's not that either. i uh.. just die.

Maybe I'm naive, but I like to think Ben has some sense of honour.

me too :thumb:

...until Locke blew up the submarine (or so it would seem).

yeah, let's all talk about why locke was wet if he was inside the submarine. or to rephrase, why did locke need to go into the water to blow up the submarine, when obviously it would be way more effective to blow it up from the inside? maybe he is one step ahead of ben. locke has his own personal cruiser.

Where was Rousseau during all this, anyway? She disappeared, then cropped up to spy on Alex.

lol. i think the idea is to render her insecure. she's dealing with some inner demons that she needs to sort out before being ready for this. beyond that fact, she's been living alone for 16 years and she's clearly come out of it with a slight dementia. i'm hoping they do a flashback episode for her some time next season.

 

[Preach]

Lost Season 3 Discussion

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if i was just some random dude who happened to catch "Exposé" on television and decided to watch it, it would be a pretty good episode. it was well written. the little heartwrenching twist to paulo's secret was good too. yeah, i'm a big cuddly bear. *giggles* as an emotionally devoted fan of lost, the scene with ben and juliette was cool. for one, i am dying to see them in some more jungle action, i want to learn more about that whole thing. that's back to when they were mysterious again and i'm loving that....

...but with that said, god what a sucky episode. the producers had been hyping this to death. burying two people alive was something they thought would make people think they "jumped the shark." i don't quite agree, i think it's another thing to add to the list of mysterious/eerie/weird things that have happened on the island. i was hoping there was more of a reason to incorporate nikki and paulo, and a bigger pay-off. say that they were somehow involved with ethan without knowing why, and then you get to see some more Others-action, that would have been a lot nicer.

anyway, okay episode, worst so far this season mythology-wise.

 

[Illuminattile]

Lost Season 3 Discussion

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I really liked Expose. OK, it was generally pointless, but it was well-executed. The editing of archive footage in with new stuff was seamless. Nina and Pablo )) getting buried alive was very cool, but I'm guessing they'll be back. What was it Locke said? "Things don't stay buried on this island".

 

[Preach]

Grrrr.

So after Expose there was Left Behind, then One of Us, which we have yet to discuss. I think I wrote a couple of small paragraphs about it but simply put i thought it was awesome.

next week is gonna be epic (if you've seen the trailer) and the last batch of episodes looks like they're gonna rawk. hey, we're getting a benjamin flashback and it's not the finale, however, it shall be epic

 

[Rukas]

What the fuck is Locke up to?


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Im kind of disappointed so far by the scientific explanation of the others. So they are simply fertility doctors... Meh... I guess the mystery is still the Islands healing properties, not to mention the big smoke and 4 toed statues, and what the fuck is up with the "box"?

I think Juliette will end up having a change of heart but fuck, shes a bitch! Jack's gonna get his heart broken AGAIN.

Sawyer is the man.

I ask again, what the fuck is Locke up to?

 

[Preach]

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Im kind of disappointed so far by the scientific explanation of the others. So they are simply fertility doctors... Meh...

actually, i think you're wrong. you know juliette is a fertility doctor and you know ethan was their only surgeon, but besides that you don't know anything about the others. nothing about the children or grown-ups they kidnapped, nothing about their day-to-day affairs or reason for staying on the island.

I guess the mystery is still the Islands healing properties, not to mention the big smoke and 4 toed statues

i just realized something we've forgot for a long time. the whispers! someone ripped individual audio layers off of the dvds or something and were able to find whispers in a LOT of scenes where no one can hear them. they're still there though. i've read full transcripts. the whisperers are communicating with one another, and they sound like observers. i don't remember fully, but they're saying stuff along the lines of "there she is" "look at them" "it's a tough spot to be in" "should we help them?" and things of that nature.

also of interest is the fact that when ben was being held captive, they were whispering the same way about him they were about any of the lost aways. so the whispers don't seem to be other-forged.

if anyone's interested i can point you to them.

and what the fuck is up with the "box"?

i think this was a metaphor. ben's exact words were "let me put it so you'll understand". that doesn't normally accompany a literal description, so i think it was just a metaphor for something a lot more epic.

I ask again, what the fuck is Locke up to?

what was the latest episode you've seen? One of Us? i think the idea is that he knows the island is special and if anyone found it, it would be tainted.

 

[Illuminattile]

Just saw One Of Us:


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I didn't like the ending. As soon as you saw Juliet left behind you thought "she's been told to infiltrate the survivors". I was really hoping that wasn't the case. It was such an obvious thing to do.

The rest of the episode was good; nice to see Mikhail, I like him as a character. The pregnancy thing is interesting, wonder how Sun's going to react to that. And Juliet, if Sun tells her she's pregnant. The pregnancy thing can't be inherent to the island; Rousseau managed to conceive and give birth to Alex. Maybe that's why the Others took her?


Some more Jacob stuff too, and considering episode 20 is called "The Man Behind the Curtain", maybe we'll be finding out who Jacob actually is.

 

[Preach]

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I didn't like the ending. As soon as you saw Juliet left behind you thought "she's been told to infiltrate the survivors". I was really hoping that wasn't the case. It was such an obvious thing to do.

actually, i've been thrown back and forth so many times between what to believe and not believe that i don't really know what to think of anything on the show anymore lol. i just automatically assume that whatever the others are doing, there's a part of what they're doing that hasn't been revealed to the viewer. so in that sense, i don't even speculate on other-related stuff any more, i just let it happen. so i wasn't really bothered by that, but i hear what you're saying.

The pregnancy thing can't be inherent to the island; Rousseau managed to conceive and give birth to Alex. Maybe that's why the Others took her?

there's a few possible scenarios though. alex could have already been born (although it would make little sense to bring alex with her on a research expedition) prior to landing on the island. there's tons of speculation though. for having been on the island for 16 years, danielle doesn't know shit. in some 70-80 days the lostaways have discovered the swan hatch, the pearl hatch, the flame hatch + farm, the black rock, the arrow hatch, the fake village and the door hatch, the sonic fence, the barracks, an underwater beacon, and probably several other things i'm forgetting. danielle has got what, the radio tower? she has to be holding out or forgetting something. there has to be more to her story than some sorry old mother who sits alone in the jungle talking to herself so how did she make time pass? the speculation is does she work with the others, or did they give her false memories and put her out there in the jungle. maybe she was with ben and then got ex-communicated like juliet. that would make both ben and danielle alex' parents. i doubt the latter but basically yeah, as far as the alex/danielle thing goes, i'm still open for a lot of twists there.

Some more Jacob stuff too, and considering episode 20 is called "The Man Behind the Curtain", maybe we'll be finding out who Jacob actually is.

that's what i'm thinking too. i can't help but think about the video of alvar hanso from the lost experience. he was in some building and you only saw him through some windows. there may have been curtains for all i know, but the point is you didn't get a real good look at him. either way, it would be pretty cool if jacob = alvar hanso. that was what people believed to begin with, then that theory started to fade. there are some things that i'm not quite sure if add up or not and i'm not geeky enough to sit down and do calculations on this, but there were other events during the lost experience that would make alvar unable to be present on the island or even have continous contact with the island, so i guess that theory can be debunked.

interesting part of it all is that the man behind the curtains is a benjamin-centered episode and will feature him at various stages of his life, not just adulthood or childhood.

 

[Rukas]

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^^^ Not just adult hood or child hood? So what? Middle age...ermm...hood? The future?

 

[Preach]

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^^^ Not just adult hood or child hood? So what? Middle age...ermm...hood? The future?

bad wording lol, my bad. i'm not 100% on this but what i meant was that you'll see him at various random ages of his life, it won't be half the episode with a young actor playing him at age 8, then suddenly switching to present time with michael emerson playing himself in the current time.

 

[ChrisZimbo]

episode 19 ... no flashbacks? FINALLY

 

[Preach]

episode 19 ... no flashbacks? FINALLY

actually, i'm sorry, but there will be. it won't be as traditional as the normal ones, but on the other hand, it won't be as untraditional as say "flashes before your eyes" or "the other 48 days" either. so somewhere in between the three.

i know exactly whose flashback it is and what the idea is, i just don't want to potentially tell you something you don't wanna know

honestly it'd feel great if everyone were okay with me posting up the titles and main characters for the remainder of the episodes. just for reference.. or is that too spoilery for you?

 

[ChrisZimbo]

yeah i would like to know , dont think it would really spoil anything as long as it doesnt contain paulo or that other chick...my god i think if we get another episode like that i am going to shoot myself in the foot

 

[Illuminattile]

Am I right in thinking that there are six episode left? Catch-22, D.O.C., The Brig, The Man Behind the Curtain, Greatest Hits and Through the Looking Glass.

 

[Preach]

yes

17. Catch-22 (Desmond)
18. D.O.C. (which i forget what stands for but has something to do with pregnancy) (Jin/Sun)
19. The Brig (Locke, what he has been up to with the Others)
20. The Man Behind The Curtain (Ben, various stages of his life, if i'm not mistaken it goes back to the founding of Dharma and other things and is supposed to contain a wild, epic scene)
21. Greatest Hits (Charlie)
22. Through The Looking Glass (Jack) (Double episode)

 

[Illuminattile]

Date Of Conception. Sun finds out who her baby daddy is.

 

[Rukas]

Date Of Conception. Sun finds out who her baby daddy is.

My money is on Hurley.

 

[Illuminattile]

Pimp.

 

[Preach]

lmao. tomorrow i can watch catch-22 it's gonna introduce something "pretty momentous" i'm told

trailer (epic): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1oybc_lost-3x17-catch22-promo
trailer (slightly alt 1): trailer (slightly alt 2): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1q5ha_catch-22-promo-3

here's a few sneak peaks, about 1-minute clips from a scene on the next episode. they spoil more than the trailers, but imo they build more suspense than ruin it. but whatever, you decide if you want to watch them. they don't give any answers or anything.

desmond/hurley scene sneak peak: http://5.upload.dailymotion.com/video/x1pamf_opr11tgw
desmond/jin/charlie scene sneak peak: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1pvvk_22076617getvideo
jack/kate scene sneak peak: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1qrol_lost418onlineclip2460kbpsdl

 

[Preach]

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i'll say that i was anticipating this episode a lot because i thought it would be epic like "flashes before your eyes". it wasn't, so i was a little bit disappointed, but there were a lot of goodies in this episode nevertheless. what stood out the most: there is no negative to the photo of desmond and penny, it was taken with one of those cameras where your photo is developed instantly, meaning if desmond has a copy, no one else can have one. meaning now there are two instances of that photo in existence, rather than one. pretty huge if you ask me. there must have been some real clutter in time and space for that to happen.

this episode also seemed to give you the idea that even prior to coming to the island and turning the key, desmond had precognitive abilities. he just didn't know it. the scene where he meets penny, you see on his face that he knew this was what was "next". same when he gave his explanation for leaving that girl. now it could just mean he was a very passionate believer like locke, but what makes me have no doubt in my mind is that in the main monk's office, there is a picture on his desk of him with the woman desmond encountered in "flashes before your eyes", miss hawkings. the woman who told him about the universe course-correcting and so forth.

this also stimulates the conspirer in me. this monk and miss hawking both seemed to know more about desmond's path in life than himself. are they some sort of group of time/space gateway keepers or something?

ardil-22 is portuguese, and means "catch-22". the parachutist seemed to know desmond, but i didn't get the impression that desmond knew her. remember at the end of season two, there were two portuguese guys monitoring an electromagnetic anomaly? i see connections. so penny has found the island now?

trailer for next week looks good. i wonder what's up with the tent camp.