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Preach

Preach

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so episode 11 was pretty cool. the episode description from tv guide said it would feature flashbacks from sayids life featuring an iraqi couple who owns a french resturant. what happened in the episode wasn't quite what i had in mind.













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at the end of the episode, the woman forgives sayid. this takes place in a flashback that you see in the middle of the scene where danielle is suggesting they kill mikhail (sp?). in the episode, the woman kept him alive until he confessed so she could then forgive him. if that's supposed to relate to sayid's situation with mikhail, i'd say he's keeping him alive to get info about the others from him. but what, is he gonna forgive him after that lol?

so the episode was very cool i thought. the reveal about the dharma and the others relation was sort of surprising. according to the producers it's supposed to be for real. that's pretty weird. wonder what drove the dharma folks over the edge. and i wonder if the dharma people didn't know about the others before they came there. the barracks is obviously the little village you see at the start of season 3, which leaves the question of how the others lived on the island before the dharma initiative built a little infrastructure (just to touch on that, the map in the back of the van hurley found was put there simply to put the message out that there were roads on the island before the jungle covered them up so they actually had an infrastructure on the island.)

the clothes they used to wear in season one and two when they roamed around in the jungle, maybe that's actually what they used to live like before they got control of the dharma town. if anyone's interested, i can post links to the trailers for next episode, alternatively, you can find them yourself on youtube. there is a quick glimpse of a scene that looks highly interesting in there.












so what did you think of the episode?
 
Preach

Preach

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another thing i wanted to post. some guy at a website made a little discovery. in juliette's episode she gives up exactly how long she's been on the island. going through the episodes you can cound the days and nights and find out exactly how long they've been on the island. using that and juliette's time on the island you can backtrack and get a date. some guy on a website did all this and looked through major news site archives for that day to see if anything interesting showed up. seems on that day, cosmologists and astronomers published evidence that the center of our galaxy is one giant black hole. also in that episode is seen a guy by the name of aldo, reading a book called time and space. you don't see a page number but you see a clear picture and someone found out what pages were open in the scene. yes, they were about black holes. basically, on the two pages, the guy who first explained the basic physical limitations of a black holes takes you through what he was thinking as he came up with the theory.

A black hole is defined to be a region of space-time where escape to the outside universe is impossible. The outer boundary of this region is called the event horizon. Nothing can move from inside the event horizon to the outside, even briefly, due to the extreme gravitational field existing within the region. For the same reason, observers outside the event horizon cannot see any events which may be happening within the event horizon; thus any energy being radiated or events happening within the region are forever unable to be seen or detected from outside. Within the black hole is a singularity, an anomalous place where matter is compressed to the degree that the known laws of physics no longer apply to it.
(This text is not from that book i mentioned, but from wikipedia)

doesn't sound too different from the island. obviously the island is not a black hole, but it does probably have an event horizon equivalent that makes it impossible for the people inside this singularity to escape, and impossible for the outside world to see it. i thought it was a very interesting find. hi! :)
 
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ChrisZimbo

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have not watched the latest episode , and couple of posts you made are filled with spoilers , so i will give a word tomorrow.
 
Illuminattile

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Preach said:
i guess no one appreciated the theories and the research :(

lucky i wasn't the one to do it :D
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I don't know if you can get it outside the UK, but you should try and download the Sky One LOST podcasts. They feature tons of hidden stuff and talk about popular (and not so popular) theories about what's going on. Apparently there was a time machine in the background of a scene from Ep9.
 
Preach

Preach

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^^
I will check that out.

e12 "Par Avion" was great. Just great. I won't spoil anything but I thought it was an awesome episode...


...and judging by the trailers, the next episode also looks hot.

"Just answer the question." :eek:
 
Preach

Preach

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yeah, ms. klugh is telling mikhail that he knows what must be done, that he knows his orders or something. i'll go and try and find a more accurate translation.
 
Preach

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Klugh: Mikhail. Mikhail! You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way [out].
Klugh: We cannot risk. You know the conditions.
Mikhail: There is another way.
Klugh: They captured us. We will not give (or let, or betray) [unintelligible].
Klugh: You know what to do. It is an order.
Mikhail: We still have another way!
Klugh (in English): Just do it, Mikhail.
Mikhail: Forgive me. (shoots)


also, here are translations of the document on the typewriter:

... were lost in his land, and they must
... force and, if necessary, through complete social

... in some measure pushed Andrey (Red note #1) away. Nadji was not
... Afghan resistance, however he was an excellent
... He was a second cousin of an influential
... who controlled of one of the northwestern
...ical specialist helping
... Mujahideen* used against...
... of courage Nadji compensated with his wits...
... of a fundamentalist. Just like all the radicals of that time, Nadji...
... at his madrasah** believed that they are holding back the West and...
were paving the way for Allah, so that he could erase the infidels from the face of the Earth, at the
time that Andrey believed that the fall of Afghanistan will become an impulse for
a new social revolution (Red note #2)
... "The Pakistanis arrived today", Nadji reported with a strong accent
in grandiloquent Russian.
... We knew that the ISI*** would be involved. And you...
... report this?" Andrey knew that he...
... "I believed that you...

Red handwritten notes translation:
1. My name is also Andrey
2. I have forgotten so much about Afghanistan

you probably already know, but appearently, Mikhail Bakunin in the real world was the father of modern anarchism. highly interesting on oh so many levels.
 
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ChrisZimbo

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yeah shit , lost is getting pretty hectic ... but really

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a box that can manifest your thoughts , come on now , they need to start answering current questions and stop bringing in new ones. Not saying its a bad thing but ... what the hell is the black smoke?
 
Preach

Preach

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i think the box was a metaphor. as ben put it, "let me put it in words that you can relate to". either the island can project people's dreams, fantasies and fears, or it just heals. since the beginning of season 3, the question i've been wondering the most is, why can't anybody see the island, and why can't they get to the outside. that black hole shit got me all excited.

i'm also thinking maybe the others are descendants of an old tribe who used to worship the island itself, thus the four-toed statue. what ben said about locke having a communion with the island was highly interesting. seeing what "came out of the box" at the end was just insane.

however, a few things to note. sawyer had been to tallahasse once. there is speculation that anthony is sawyer of course, and i believe when ben asked alpert to bring him "the man from tallahasse", he meant locke's dad. my theory: they brought cooper to the island as soon as they realized what had happened to locke, because they knew they would probably need to use him as a weapon to break locke. or as bait or whatever. this could explain why, for example, jack kate and sawyer weren't taken during "the hunting party". if the others need locke, risking a gunfight with him present would be foolish. this explains a lot of the games they play.

i don't know if i should say this as it's semi-spoilery, but locke and his dad won't return for another five weeks. however, when they do, it'll be like michael re-appearing at the end of season two. pivotal, in other words, part of a climax build-up.

next week's episode is gonna be big.
 
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ChrisZimbo

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I kind of figured michael returning , since him and his son were put on the crappy looking boat. The reason why i say this is because didnt Ben say that the submarine was the only way out , or did he say it was it just an illusion to give people hope of getting off the island? The box situation also makes me question when im not sure if it was Season 1 or Season 2 when people , cant remember if it was Jack who saw his dad walking around the island. You think maybe Ben was behind that , maybe bringing his dad out of the box?

shit , i thought the season was going to be a flop , but damn , they started some shit with the last two episodes.
 
Preach

Preach

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i think jack's dad was the same case as eko's brother yemi. jack saw his father on the island, but when he looked in his father's coffin, the body was missing. eko saw the men he murdered in the church in the jungle in "the cost of living", and later he saw his brother yemi. when he looked in the back of the beechcraft, yemi's body was also missing. obviously, the yemi that eko saw had something to do with the smoke monster, since it killed eko shortly thereafter. i think it's a fair assumption that jack seeing his dad was also smokey's work. the thing with locke's dad is a little different though. i do believe in this little box that ben was talking about. i don't believe in an actual box, but i believe his box metaphor was relative to something that's real on the show. but for the moment i am convinced that locke's dad did not actually "come out of the box" so to speak. i'm pretty certain he was brought in earlier, before the purple sky knocked out the others' communications. that's not something i say based on spoilers, it's just an assumption. i have good intuition :p i just read on a site that harold perrineu (sp?) had been in talks with abc to try and appear on lost next season. the way he said it made it sound like he was coming back for a larger sequence of episodes, because the problem is he has another show he just did a pilot for, and if it gets picked up, he'll be starring on that each week. they were trying to arrange it so that he could appear on both shows.

i never really thought about it, but ben could have just put michael on a boat and sent him out to sea. desmond sailed for weeks without hitting anything so there seems to be some sort of snowglobe-ish effect there. michael obviously would give it some time before he started heading back to the island, so maybe ben just sent him out there to take him out of the equation for a little while.

as for leaving the island. he didn't say it was THE only way out, he just said it was THEIR only way. as in, the last boat they had that could travel the distance necessary to reach the main land. however, remember when sayid tortured sawyer in season one, then he left and before being trapped by danielle, he found a cable that went into the ocean? i don't remember if he actually mentioned it in episode 11 or not, but anyway, that cable went to the signal beacon mikhail talked about. when desmond turned the failsafe, it was knocked out. appearently, the island can't be seen by the outside world, but i'm sure that beacon made it somehow possible to be able to see it when you were in range nevertheless. what ben said was that after the purple sky, they could leave the island, but never come back. some of the others considered their stay more of a job than something they sincerly wanted to do, and from the failsafe-on-out, ben wanted to keep the sub-marine as a last hope for his people to get off the island, although he would never let them take the sub and get away with it.

however, at the end of the episode, it became clear that ben had been manipulating locke all along. so i'm pretty certain he didn't necessarily mean what he said. when locke had the upperhand on ben, with ben's daughter captive, it was cool to see ben being put in his place for once, but at the same time, he lost some of his edge. right up until he told locke "how is it that you think you know this island better than i do?" and revealed his whole plot and his plan. he was in charge all the time. ben is simply the coolest guy on the show. i wonder how jacob is gonna turn out :)

next episode, #14, is called "exposé", and is nikki-, & paulo-centric. however, the flashbacks aren't from their lives pre-island....

...and rumour has it that the upcoming episode contains a game-changer of epic proportions. you will see some familiar old faces again - boone, shannon, dr. arzt, ethan, scott/steve, and more. i am anticipating this one :)
 
Illuminattile

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Preach said:
however, a few things to note. sawyer had been to tallahasse once.
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As has Kate. She was seen buying a bus ticket to Tallahassee in one of her flashbacks.

there is speculation that anthony is sawyer of course, and i believe when ben asked alpert to bring him "the man from tallahasse", he meant locke's dad. my theory: they brought cooper to the island as soon as they realized what had happened to locke, because they knew they would probably need to use him as a weapon to break locke. or as bait or whatever. this could explain why, for example, jack kate and sawyer weren't taken during "the hunting party". if the others need locke, risking a gunfight with him present would be foolish. this explains a lot of the games they play.
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Firstly, if The Others need Locke (and brought his father onto the island), then surely they would have asked Michael to bring them Locke as well as Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley. While we're on the subject, we don't know why they asked for Kate and Sawyer do we? If it was to blackmail Jack into doing the surgery, then why choose Sawyer? Not exactly the best of friends.

Anyway, my first thought was that Cooper had tried to flee, after pushing Locke out of the window, and had somehow found his way to The Island, where he was captured. Calling him "The Man from Tallahassee" kind of implies that Ben doesn't know his name, maybe that he'd interrogated him and asked him who he was, where he was from etc.

i never really thought about it, but ben could have just put michael on a boat and sent him out to sea. desmond sailed for weeks without hitting anything so there seems to be some sort of snowglobe-ish effect there. michael obviously would give it some time before he started heading back to the island, so maybe ben just sent him out there to take him out of the equation for a little while.
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Maybe I'm naive, but I like to think Ben has some sense of honour. He did let Kate and Sawyer back onto The Island, he did give Michael his son back, and a boat (whether it did them any good, we don't know) and it appeared that he was going to let Jack go until Locke blew up the submarine (or so it would seem).

Where was Rousseau during all this, anyway? She disappeared, then cropped up to spy on Alex.
 
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