Which artist was biggest at their peak?

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

The only joke here is you.

Take the dead man's dick out of your mouth & then tell me why you are getting involved in something that has nothing to do with you?

Jason has tried to clown me & inadvertently clowned himself.

And I notice how you side-stepped my comment about WoW. If you're so good at debating, why don't you let us learn from you over in WoW where serious debates take place.

 

[jason_g_718]

but Eminem constantly does big numbers & is known by almost everyone virtually everywhere on the planet - something which 2Pac was not then, & is not now.

Uh...I think the ending in Resurrection proves this statement wrong.

Also...Tupac is the ONLY RAPPER I believe that actually has college courses where you can study them and the stuff they were into.

 

[jason_g_718]

None of this happened while Tupac was alive. It is therefore not relevant to the question.

You know for a fact that nobody had a 2pac tattoo until after he died?

Where do you live & what is the colour of your skin?

Talk about a question that's irrelevant to the statement Tzu made.

 

[Hellrazor1978]

Uh...I think the ending in Resurrection proves this statement wrong.

I cant believe i forgot about that.....I remember them showing Pac fans in Turkey lol. Now, if they got Pac fans in Turkey, they DEFINATLY got Pac fans in Britian, and probably in almost every other country.

Another thing that makes Pac bigger than Eminem:

impact and influence. Eminem is super popular, but he has had little impact on the rap game, or influence on other MC's. You dont see other mc's constantly quoting him or sampling his songs as they do with Tupac. I mean, how times has Hail Mary been sampled or used by another rapper in the past couple years?? At least 3 times, that I can think of. How about Ambitionz az A Ridah, or Pain?? At least twice with Ambitionz.

Cats arent using Em's formulas to make their own albums, as they do with Pac's albums. AEOM is pretty much the standard on how a mainstream album is made, the blueprint on how to make an album that appeals to the mainstream crowd but STILL maintains hip hop respect.

Also, when you see rappers listing who their main influence and who the g.o.a.t. mc of all time is.........again, no Eminem. Pac is mentioned in both these cases almost everytime though.

 

[jason_g_718]

I guess im an idiot then, cause Em' aint passin up Pac anytime soon.

Em won't pac Pac up in the next year or two, no. But, dude, Pac is BY FAR my favorite rapper, has been for like 10 years or so, but Eminem IS going to end up passing Pac as the most successful rapper ever. 2pac has the lead by a decent sized amount right now, and last time I heard (about a year ago), Beastie Boys were still the #2 best seller, and I don't think that Eminem has passed them yet. But he will pass them both eventually. He's made it to the #3 position in just like 6 years. Especially if he puts out more albums that are as good as MMLP or Eminem Show. If he starts putting out records that good again, then him passing Pac is inevitable. HOWEVER, if he keeps putting out efforts like Encore, or for some reasons suddenly decideds to retire early, then it won't happen.

Encore is already a decline in sales from his previous two albums, and he is still almost 25 million records behind Pac in U.S. sales....Pac sold almost 45 mill in the US alone, Em's at like 21 mill.

Dude, Encore is up to 4.2 million sold and it hasn't even been out 4 months yet. It will be four months in like 2 weeks. Wait until it's been out six months, a year. I mean...it jumped from 3.5 mill to 4.2 mill in the matter of a couple weeks.

And also, Em's number in the US was at 21 mill a year ago when Resurrection came out. Since then he's released D12 World, even though I don't know what that's done, and Encore. So, not even counting D12 World he's already jumped to a little over 25 mill.

 

[jason_g_718]

What you need to do is retract ALL of this.

We were talking about Eminem & somehow you have managed to flip it to being 2Pac.

This post is a complete & utter fucking joke!!

Eh...for some reason I fucked up and thought you were talking about Pac.

OK. So, the same question still stands but regarding Eminem, which you could have went on to answer anyway.

So...when did you hear or read Sam say that about Eminem, specifically? If you can't provide some real shit here, then you have nothing.

 

[Hellrazor1978]

Em won't pac Pac up in the next year or two, no. But, dude, Pac is BY FAR my favorite rapper, has been for like 10 years or so, but Eminem IS going to end up passing Pac as the most successful rapper ever. 2pac has the lead by a decent sized amount right now, and last time I heard (about a year ago), Beastie Boys were still the #2 best seller, and I don't think that Eminem has passed them yet. But he will pass them both eventually. He's made it to the #3 position in just like 6 years. Especially if he puts out more albums that are as good as MMLP or Eminem Show. If he starts putting out records that good again, then him passing Pac is inevitable. HOWEVER, if he keeps putting out efforts like Encore, or for some reasons suddenly decideds to retire early, then it won't happen.




Dude, Encore is not up to 4.2 million sold and it hasn't even been out 4 months yet. It will be four months in like 2 weeks. Wait until it's been out six months, a year. I mean...it jumped from 3.5 mill to 4.2 mill in the matter of a couple weeks.

And also, Em's number in the US was at 21 mill a year ago when Resurrection came out. Since then he's released D12 World, even though I don't know what that's done, and Encore. So, not even counting Encore he's already jumped to a little over 25 mill.

Encore's been out almost 4 months and its sold 4 million.....thats pretty good, but nevertheless, it IS a decline from his previous two albums. The Eminem Show was already at like 6-7 million about 4 months after its release.

This album wont sell as much as his previous two, no way.

As for him passing up Pac, Ill believe it when I see it. Yea, he passed up alot of rappers, but alot of rappers havent sold 45 million records either

He passed up Biggie a couple years ago, but Biggie has only sold about 15-16 million, and he passed up Jay last year, who has sold about 20 million. Pac is gonna be VERY tough for Em to catch, especially if they keep releasing posthumous albums lol. If he wants to pass Pac up, he better not keep releasing albums like Encore, or he wont be passing anyone up.

 

[jason_g_718]

impact and influence. Eminem is super popular, but he has had little impact on the rap game, or influence on other MC's. You dont see other mc's constantly quoting him or sampling his songs as they do with Tupac.

Not now...but wait for another 5 or 10 years when kids who are 10-17 and are aspiring rappers start blowing up. I guarantee you some of them will be repping Eminem and telling you how he influenced them.

Cats arent using Em's formulas to make their own albums, as they do with Pac's albums.

Give it some time.

Also, when you see rappers listing who their main influence and who the g.o.a.t. mc of all time is.........again, no Eminem.

Razor, I don't think many people will argue that Eminem is not in consideration for the title of G.O.A.T. He hasn't been around long enough. I don't think a rapper can even be named in nomination for GOAT unless he's been around a decade at least, and Eminem only has about 6 years. Pac has been "around" for 14.

Pac is mentioned in both these cases almost everytime though.

Eminem will be in the future.

 

[jason_g_718]

Encore's been out almost 4 months and its sold 4 million.....thats pretty good, but nevertheless, it IS a decline from his previous two albums. The Eminem Show was already at like 6-7 million about 4 months after its release.

This album wont sell as much as his previous two, no way.

I wouldn't count it out, man. Especially when they start touring in the summer, watch how Encore will start rising up.

I think the reason Encore has been a sleeper hit (meaning it has sold so much with no acclaim) because a lot of people don't realize the album is actually pretty good. The thing is, it's only "average" for Eminem. If Encore was put out with the same stuff on it by most any other rappers, Ja Rule, Jadakiss, Fat Joe, Jay Z, Juvenile, Lil Wayne, etc... people would be like "yeah, this album is hot". But Eminem has such a superior standing in the game that we have come to expect NOTHING LESS than excellence. But in reality, Encore is not all that bad, and it's actually pretty good, just not in Eminem standards.

 

[Hellrazor1978]

I wouldn't count it out, man. Especially when they start touring in the summer, watch how Encore will start rising up.

I think the reason Encore has been a sleeper hit (meaning it has sold so much with no acclaim) because a lot of people don't realize the album is actually pretty good. The thing is, it's only "average" for Eminem. If Encore was put out with the same stuff on it by most any other rappers, Ja Rule, Jadakiss, Fat Joe, Jay Z, Juvenile, Lil Wayne, etc... people would be like "yeah, this album is hot". But Eminem has such a superior standing in the game that we have come to expect NOTHING LESS than excellence. But in reality, Encore is not all that bad, and it's actually pretty good, just not in Eminem standards.

I personally cant stand the album, and wouldnt even burn it, much less actually buy it. But hey, thats just my opinion.

 

[jason_g_718]

I personally cant stand the album, and wouldnt even burn it, much less actually buy it. But hey, thats just my opinion.

Damn...harsh shit there. Now tell us how you REALLY feel about it, lol. :thumb:

I was admittedly very disappointed in Encore. It was delayed like almost a year due to about 4 or 5 of the songs leaking in November of 2003. Don't forget, that those songs that leaked that were initially intended for the album were "We As Americans", "Bully", "Doe Rae Me", "Monkey See, Monkey Do", "Luv U More", and "I'm Gone", all of which happened to be some of Eminem's BEST underground tracks.

Now, think of all those leaked tracks replacing songs such as "Ass Like That", "Rainman", "One Shot 2 Shot" and being on the album with songs like "Like Toy Soldiers", "Yellow Brick Road", "Never Enough", "Evil Deeds", "Encore" and a few others that I thought were good.

 

[Mr Marz]

geez i dont mean to be real or anything, especially infront of all you people.... but eminem was the biggest at his peak. prolly bigger than pac was.

 

[VENOMOUS]

I wouldn't count it out, man. Especially when they start touring in the summer, watch how Encore will start rising up.

I think the reason Encore has been a sleeper hit (meaning it has sold so much with no acclaim) because a lot of people don't realize the album is actually pretty good. The thing is, it's only "average" for Eminem. If Encore was put out with the same stuff on it by most any other rappers, Ja Rule, Jadakiss, Fat Joe, Jay Z, Juvenile, Lil Wayne, etc... people would be like "yeah, this album is hot". But Eminem has such a superior standing in the game that we have come to expect NOTHING LESS than excellence. But in reality, Encore is not all that bad, and it's actually pretty good, just not in Eminem standards.

encore is not even comming with in a 100 miles of fucking with lil waynes "The carter".I think its safe to say lil wayne is a better rapper then eminem at the moment.

 

[jason_g_718]

encore is not even comming with in a 100 miles of fucking with lil waynes "The carter".I think its safe to say lil wayne is a better rapper then eminem at the moment.

I think you're high on drugs.

I haven't heard "The Carter", so I can't comment on it, but to say that one album proves Lil Wayne is better than Eminem is ignorant as fuck.

 

[Zero Cool]

But not as well known as Eminem, agreed?

I never said he was

 

[one mc on dj]

I guess thats why All Eyez On Me sold 7 million while Pac was still alive, huh??

Pac was gonna sell 4 million or more every time out from that point on. AEOM pretty much established him as hip hop's biggest star. I dont think his death really made a difference one way or the other.

And you should really learn to type, cause I cant read half the shit you're saying.

LOl whoa what a reply.

LOL@ dont think his death really made a difference one way or the other.

If pac didnt die he would have 4 sure retired by now.. ( considering he made movies n shit) With other words he would have been something like ice cube..but he did die..so now he is the rap legend every kid knows about...<<<IF YOU CAN'T GET THAT YOU SHOULD SERIOUSLY GET THAT PAC POSTER OFF UR WALL

 

[DPG iz all I C]

Im surprised that not a lot of people have mentioned Dre. Between 87-95 Dre was on top of the game.

 

[Pittsey]

Did anyone read my post -

Damn man there's some dumb posts in this thread.

To sum it up - Rap music has changed heavily in the last 10 years, it has gone from being a small part of music sales to be one of the biggest. If you group RnB and Rap together it probably accounts for the biggest sales worldwide (because Country is so huge in US), it is definately the quickest growing. Back in 1994 very few people listened to hip-hop, and it got played on select "specialist" stations. Now it is played on 80% of stations even the most commercial stations, so therefore the artists are reaching many more listeners than ever before.
Considor 2pac alive now, living his life like he did 94-95, he'd be front page news world-wide for all the shit he pulled, all the shit he didn't but he got blamed for, and then for the other little things he did - films and music. But he didn't have the influence on the music as large as Snoop and Dre did back in the DR days, although obviously this is mainly my opinion. As for Eminem he is easily the "biggest artist", due to the fact he is around and making his best (excluding encore) music at the time of rap musics peak.
If all 3 were around at the same time I'd probably say 2pac would be the biggest star, he managed to cross over and make mainstream pop songs and still be fairly well respected, and with all the media attention he got just marginally out does Eminem, for newspaper inches relative to popularity of hip-hop. As for Snoop he helped build DR but it was mainly down to Dre's vision.

There is a huge difference between hip-hop now and hip-hop 10-15 years ago. The answer is easily Eminem or 50 because they're at the top now hip-hop is a lot more popular. If 2pac was at his peak now, things would probably be different, but he's dead.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Uh...I think the ending in Resurrection proves this statement wrong.

Also...Tupac is the ONLY RAPPER I believe that actually has college courses where you can study them and the stuff they were into.

Wrong. The ending only shows that some people in some countries know 2Pac. Unless you saw some version which had everybody from everywhere show their 2Pac t-shirts & CDs.

Plus, none of these courses were available when he was alive & a lot of them draws from material which was released only after he died - such as his poetry. Now unless you're saying that 2Pac's career peaked well after he died, then you are wrong.

Talk about a question that's irrelevant to the statement Tzu made.

I know you are not the brightest, but when we're discussing places in which 2Pac is known & Tzu says that his grandmother knows of him, I think it is very relevant.

I cant believe i forgot about that.....I remember them showing Pac fans in Turkey lol. Now, if they got Pac fans in Turkey, they DEFINATLY got Pac fans in Britian, and probably in almost every other country.

READ MY FUCKING POSTS YOU DUMB FUCK!!

I never once stated or even implied that 2Pac did not have British fans. I could type out the hows, whys, wheres & whatnots, but really, it's all in black & white for you read already.

With the post from which I have quoted, you have proved once again that you do not understand the question. Which artist was biggest at their peak? The answer, Eminem.

You talk about influence & AEOM being a blueprint for albums nowadays, was it then? No. How many people were saying 2Pac was the GOAT back in 1996? Very few.

As you have a penchant for being retarded/illiterate, I will ask you to note how I am not saying Eminem has done these things, but he has done other things that 2Pac hasn't.

So...when did you hear or read Sam say that about Eminem, specifically? If you can't provide some real shit here, then you have nothing.

You must live in a cave, or have the shittest memory known to man as whenever there is a debate, you put up basic points & - due to people's general knowledge - they see them as correct or incorrect & then respond accordingly. However, when someone makes a basic point, they are expected to run around finding websites where this was said & even then you'll question the source.

Believe me when I tell you, when Samuel L Jackson was asked of what he thought of Eminem's talent follwing the release of 8 Mile, he said - in no way maliciously - words to the effect of, he was pretty good in 8 Mile, but I'll reserve judgement for when I see him tackle a different character such as a teacher.

 

[WessideThuggin]

Goddammit! We have like 3 pages of y'all 3 (Jason, Hell and Calcuo) posting. Talk over AIM or something. Stop spamming it and w/e this boards gonna exceed it's memory.