If you think hip-hop is in trouble, go fuck yourself.

[Kareem]

Chingy, Nelly, and Lil Jon? Lil Jon is a fucking producer, he makes club bangers. The future of hip hop is in T.I., G-Unit, Outkast (still), Jay-Z (if/when he decides to come back), Kanye West, and Jadakiss. My 15 year old ass must have missed all the mind blowing shit too short, mobb deep, snoop dogg, and dpg were spitting in the mid 90's. Masta Ace had an album last year, Long Hot Summer, maybe you missed that shit.

no crap Lil Jon is a producer, Too Short, Mobb Deep, Snoop an dpg are the only groups you could think of in the 90's?????? omg what about Nwa, Nas, Biggie, Ice Cube (ole school cube not don mega cube) coolio fuck man ya forgot alot more. Nelly an T.I. the future???? G Unit? lol lol I'll give ya Kayne an Jada they acctually have skill. lets see T.I. "rubber band man wild as the taliban" wow fuckn geniuous how could i have slept on his remarkable talent oh wait forgot about his amazing verse on Destiny Childs Soldier. An then we have G Unit, unit shouldnt even be in their name unit is a part of unity which they have lack there of, only cat i wanna hear outa there is Yayo, fuck 50, banks an Buck. Outkast is tight, but when did they emerge? Mid 90's i do believe first album is classic, Jay-Z yeah jigga tight no telling if he'll ever return though.


Roaches, ok that Nas line i could care less about he has way more lines dropping knowledge an lyrical skill then that. Nelly respectful to women??????? For what? making Over an over again? or "my place" please heres a line for ya "come here ma what ya name is, is that your ass or ya momma have reigndeer" " i aint from Russia so bicth why you russian" oh yeah i can see the mad respect he has for women, especially in his vidz. Yes i know all about Pac's lyrics so what he opened a line wit "Picture me roll'n in a 500 benz" ya left out the rest "i got no time fa these niggaz no need to be firends, they got me under survalliance" point being not every Pac song or album was about how much money an cars he had. Now Biggie, yeah i know about his video's he flossed in em, so what? every rapper does, did i say anything about floss'n in video's? NO, L Y R I C A L C O N T E N T. Ready to die is a classic, 90% of the album is about him ready to leave this life an the struggles in this life "i know how it feel to wake up fucked up, pockets broke as hell another rock to sell, selling drugs to all the loosers mad buddah abuser, but they dont know about ya stress filled days baby on the way mad bills to pay"

tracks like, juicy, Everyday struggle, me an my bitch, who shot ya, thats lyricsim, theres nothing wrong with having a song or 2 about how much $$$ you got an whatever, but when your entire album is based on it, your garbage, prime example, Cash Money same shit every album, rappn bout money, rims an hoes. oh snap another note about Nelly fuck duke, even got the gull to diss Krs-1 a fuckn legend???? its all good though Krs chewed his ass up. your right there are more then 2 mc's i can name that i am feel'n problem is these cats dont sell much an why????????? because all the teeny bobbers want that bullshit bubble gum rap.

Jada
Nas
Crooked I
outkast
jmt thats about it right now

 

[Mase]

Nelly an T.I. the future???? G Unit? lol lol I'll give ya Kayne an Jada they acctually have skill. lets see T.I. "rubber band man wild as the taliban" wow fuckn geniuous how could i have slept on his remarkable talent oh wait forgot about his amazing verse on Destiny Childs Soldier.

If you are going to talk on T.I, dont talk about him from a mainstream perspective. You can name any artist that has a hook with nothing special in the lyrics, seeing as you look like a B.I.G fan..

I love it when you call me Big Pop-pa)
Throw your hands in the air, if youse a true player
(I love it when you call me Big Pop-pa)
To the honies gettin money playin niggaz like dummies
(I love it when you call me Big Pop-pa)
If you got a gun up in your waist please don't shoot up the
place
Cause I see some ladies tonight who should be havin my baby
Bay-bee

wow fuckn geniuous how could i have slept on his remarkable talent

but when your entire album is based on it, your garbage, prime example, Cash Money same shit every album, rappn bout money, rims an hoes.

Have you checked any of the new Cash Money? If you have and you still say that, then dont listen to Hip Hop until after you get cleared at your next hearing test.

 

[jason_g_718]

Chingy, Nelly, and Lil Jon? Lil Jon is a fucking producer, he makes club bangers. The future of hip hop is in T.I., G-Unit, Outkast (still), Jay-Z (if/when he decides to come back), Kanye West, and Jadakiss. My 15 year old ass must have missed all the mind blowing shit too short, mobb deep, snoop dogg, and dpg were spitting in the mid 90's. Masta Ace had an album last year, Long Hot Summer, maybe you missed that shit.

LMFAO!!! THAT'S some funny shit.

 

[HitEmUp21]

jmt thats about it right now

You are telling me that Vinnie Paz has any lyrical content in his rhymes?

Please, if he wasn't on some reciting arabic shit, you wouldn't even listen to him..In fact, in the past two albums, the only times I have heard him being articulate is when he is reciting lines from the Qu'ran.

 

[Kareem]

You are telling me that Vinnie Paz has any lyrical content in his rhymes?

Please, if he wasn't on some reciting arabic shit, you wouldn't even listen to him..

that has nothing to do with it, obviously you need to take your own advice an listen to "legacy of blood" throughly.


Mase "have you checked any of the new Cash Money? If you have and you still say that, then dont listen to Hip Hop until after you get cleared at your next hearing test."

i wont take offense to that comming from someone who calls themself Mase, an yes i have heard some recent Cash Money shit, whats changes????? "get yo shine on", "Go DJ" yes brilliance is reigning supreme with the Cash Money mc's these days

yes i like Biggie, now you try an combat that with 1 song?????????? not even 1 song just the hook off Big Poppa, obviously you paid no attention to my previous post, like i said a song or 2 about what you got an what not, is fine, but making a album of it, is garbage, now go take your chingy an nelly cd's out of your cd player an put in Ready to Die or Me Against The World an then come talk to me, if you dont hear shit thats better then todays garbage then you need your hearing checked, what was the lyrical content of Big poppa? basically big throwing game at some females, but atleast he did it with some class, not "is that your ass or ya momma have reigndeer" type shit. maybe im just getting old now but damn man its obvious half of you guys on here have never listened to real hip hop, if ya'llz idea of real hip hop is , Nelly an T.I. then damn the games been sold, no need to tell it cause mawfuckaz aint listening.

 

[imported_Sun_Tzu]

hip hop is dead, i cant even say nun to lil rocker kids that say "rap is crap"... every1 used to diss hiphop for not being creative enough and not being original, and being reptetitive... acouple of years ago, i coulda came up with mad arguements, now I just have no reply... cuz i know the next time i turn to a radio station or turn on the TV all i'll hear is "Impala Uhh" or "Chillin at the Holiday Innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn" <--- sorry, juss shows how less i listen to the radio

4sho, i use to argue with "punks" that hip hop involved skill and creativity but now i just got to say nothin and dont even get involved with the conversation.

 

[Kareem]

LMFAO!!! THAT'S some funny shit.

its not even funny anymore man its sad, to me it just shows they havent listened to real shit or beena round long enough to remember real cats like , Melly Mel, Grand Master Flash, nwa, Biggie an Pac. sad is alot of the people on here didnt even know Pac exsisted till after he died. Anyway peace man , check ya e-mail!

 

[Kareem]

4sho, i use to argue with "punks" that hip hop involved skill and creativity but now i just got to say nothin and dont even get involved with the conversation.

:thumb: thank God theres a few of us left that know what real hip hop is!

 

[HitEmUp21]

that has nothing to do with it, obviously you need to take your own advice an listen to "legacy of blood" throughly.

I did, I bought the album and found that apart from "The Great Collapse" and that song with GZA, the album was trash, even Stoupe's production stood no chance of saving it from Vinnie's lyrics.

 

[one mc on dj]

First off excuse me for going off topic.

Jason ur so full of bullshit...First you dickryde NETHING that comes off shadyrecords/aftermath and now you ur hating on G unit?

newayz there is more that proves how stupid you are...cuz how can you diss nelly and chingy for putting out bullshit and say eminem makes great music...

fucking bullshit artists sitting at the top of the charts like 50 Cent, Lil Jon, Nelly, Chingy and anyone you group in with those bullshit artists, hip hop will be in trouble. Hip hop is being run by those bullshit artists right now (also add Snoop to that list) while artists who are a shot in the arm for the betterment of hip hop (Eminem, Obie Trice, Young Buck, Jay Z, Nas, Ja Rule, Fat Joe, Dr. Dre, Talib Kweli, Royce, etc...) are not getting as much recognition.

Are you fucking kidding me? Do you know who are co- responsible for making 50 cent the huge rap superstar that he is today? The answer is simple Eminem and Dr.Dre..you fucking idiot..I have several times explained how they passed the hype to eachother and 50 got thrown into the mainstreamworld at the right time...and they did the same with Game...so how can you say Eminem and Dr.dre still do something for hip hop? They are destroying it!!
( note: i don't think they are destroying it but since you said ppl as 50 are destroying it well you know what I mean)

So why don't you like Nelly and Chingy? Is it because they are pop? Last time I checked G unit was the biggest rap boy band in the world ...And Lil jon does his thing how can you hate on him..He is doing his own thing like Dr.dre did with his famous beats...Everybody knows a dre beat and everybody can tell when lil jon has made a beat.. So what is your problem?

Oh wait Ja rule.. now you suddenly like him? You are giving him props? Didnt you call him Ja fool and your website? Didnt you tell calcuo how great D12 dissed him...?Didnt you dedicate a paragraph to Ja on ya website? Jason please get da fuck outta here..you dumb fuck...

As for snoop..Snoop is also doing his own thing...Him with the neptunes gives him even more popularity..The heads may not like his new shit...But others do.. I mean who are you to say 50 lil jon nelly chingy and snoop are destroying hip hop? Is it because you consider yourself a hip hop head? ( jokes rite) You shouldn't talk at all..

And the only ones out of that list that don't get enough recognition are Talib kweli and Royce da 5'9''...So uhh check out some new artists lmao..a month ago you didnt know who talib kweli was better yet a month ago you didnt even check big L and Illmatic out..I know 13 yr old kids that know more about hip hop than you do...so please stop saying hip hop is dying you fucking idiot...you have no right to talk...these 13 yr olds do haha...

Pssssssssh reply to this one bitch lmao...

BTW Vinnie paz is the main reason why Legacy of Blood is not all that.. lol...The album gets boring real fast cuz of vinnie paz..

and sorry for all the spelling errors n shit..its cold in here

 

[Frank Grimes]

Hmmm...something tells me that someone is pissed off about the editorial Rukas wrote at Streethop.com.

Rukas was right, hip hop has been in trouble for a while actually. As long as we have these fucking bullshit artists sitting at the top of the charts like 50 Cent, Lil Jon, Nelly, Chingy and anyone you group in with those bullshit artists, hip hop will be in trouble. Hip hop is being run by those bullshit artists right now (also add Snoop to that list) while artists who are a shot in the arm for the betterment of hip hop (Eminem, Obie Trice, Young Buck, Jay Z, Nas, Ja Rule, Fat Joe, Dr. Dre, Talib Kweli, Royce, etc...) are not getting as much recognition.

Everything in rap music since the hub bub surrounding Encore died is about 50 Cent...who is the BIGGEST detriment to the industry right now.

LMAO, man you dont stop shootin yourself in the foot. seriously the twisted member of this board. you CANNOT judge rap from the small minority you listen to. your basicaly beyond a clown these days and you prove it more and more with everyone of your 1779 post's. the poster above me covered most of it

jason posts:while artists who are a shot in the arm for the betterment of hip hop (Eminem, Obie Trice, Young Buck, Jay Z, Nas, Ja Rule, Fat Joe, Dr. Dre, Talib Kweli, Royce, etc...) are not getting as much recognition.

hold the fuck up, last time i chcekced Obie trice was and basically the rest of your list are basicaly house hold names dude, you think they aint gettin respect >WTF.. How can a human being say that eminem isnt gettin enough recognition LMAO, every where i turn eminem is there, on tv, kids clothes, coming outa dudes cars, internet, grammys etc. And WTF, how is obie trice or young buck, or eminem in hip hop for Better, anymore than the artists you dispise. no, there not. Omfg, if i ever slit my wrists u can take the credit.



man, i could go more and more into detail but thats the jist of it. damn

 

[WessideThuggin]

haven't read you r post, i'm pretty drunk, but all i can say is hiphop is letting me down, and it's hitting me right in the heart. i'm starting to listen to other types of music and enjoying them much more than the shit that's out now. the only hip hop i listen to is mostly over 10 years old..

Same here. I only listen to 90's rap, rock and some other stuff.

 

[jason_g_718]

you CANNOT judge rap from the small minority you listen to

You need to get it through your head that I DO NOT listen to a "small minority" of rap music. I hardly call the artists listed in my sig as "a small minority", and those artists aren't even the only ones I listen to. They're just the ones I have the most respect for.

hold the fuck up, last time i chcekced Obie trice was and basically the rest of your list are basicaly house hold names dude, you think they aint gettin respect >WTF

There are very FEW "household names" on my list. Do you understand what a household name is? Michael Jordan is a household name. Hulk Hogan is a household name. Tiger Woods is a household name. Obie Trice is NOT a house hold name. A household name means that pretty much 8 out of 10 soccer moms or your average middle class father would know that name. I don't think too many soccer moms know who Obie Trice is. Despite his legend in the rap game, Big Daddy Kane is NOT a house hold name. KRS-One is NOT a household name.

And the people I said aren't getting respect, with the exception of Eminem, they aren't. And he's only getting it because of his crossover image. The people who are getting respect are the people least deserving.

.. How can a human being say that eminem isnt gettin enough recognition LMAO, every where i turn eminem is there, on tv, kids clothes, coming outa dudes cars, internet, grammys etc.

I just said he's the ONLY exception.

And WTF, how is obie trice or young buck, or eminem in hip hop for Better, anymore than the artists you dispise. no, there not. Omfg, if i ever slit my wrists u can take the credit.

This is all opinion dude. Seriously, I hope you realize that. People like Eminem, Obie, Buck, even Ja Rule to an extent, they have messages in their music. They don't get on records and just scream "from the wall to the window" 20 fucking times, add 4 bars of actual lyrical content, and then its the hook another 20 times. The artists that are messing up the game, they have NOTHING to say. You know, I despise Ja Rule. HOWEVER, I'd take any Ja Rule record over anything from Ying Yang Twinz any day. Shit...I despise Biggie as well, but at least he had something to say. With the fucking ignorant morons running around in the industry today, it's almost making a Biggie hater (myself) actually start listening to Biggie just so I have new material in my collection.

Dude, you ain't gotta get all riled up and shit. Remember, we're all here to debate, man. It's all opinion..or, most is opinion anyway. You ain't gotta take this shit personally. Now go drop an oxycontin, smoke a joint and relax.

 

[Tonio1986]

I say we as rap fans have got to ignore the line between underground and mainstream rap..that is all we have to do because that way you fill up what bores you.

Thats true, we should enjoy the best of both worlds. I think the ppl say Hip Hop is dead, cause the real Hip Hop is not as much presented in the mainstream, but its still there (underground). Back in the day you could talk with everybody about good hip hop, many ppl like me miss the collective feeling, to talk bout about tight Hip Hop, which today isnt much popular, but thats why Im a froum member.
Anyway, I feel like Hip Hop had his best times in the 90`s, but I never would say Hip hop is dying, I would say today everything is called Hip hop, done by a black man and that destroys the Art-name "Hip HoP".
There should be a new genre for the most shitty mainstream rapper, for example "I got the biggest chain rap", or "instructional rap", which contains songs like lean back, move ya body, shake ass etc.

No matter, how many idiots are out there calling themself "rapper", I know there is a ray of hope like (Immortal technique, Masta killa, Crooked I, Kurupt or Talib Kweli), which hopefully one day bring back the attention, the real Hip Hop deservs.

One Nation
One Love

 

[7 Syns]

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[MC mufasa]

If you only look at mainstream and then make your judgement of whether hip hop is dead or not then you need your head checked.

Since when do you go to commercialised/mainstream music for depth etc?

It's like with all genres of music. The art remains, and it is thriving - hip hop is just more popular than ever nowadays which is why more shittier artists exist. The fact is, hip hops popularity has reached the extent where all you see is news articles of 50 Cent etc and that distracts you from looking at the real shit.

And frankly, hip hop provides diversity and variety. We need a Nelly, we need a Chingy, we need a Lil Jon, we need a Ja Rule, and we also need a Rakim, KRS, Common. You choose what you want and stick to it.


Cosign with Roaches.

 

[7 Syns]

Let me drop a couple, I had another couple of paragraphs which were gonna be added to the article. Firstly, its my fault that I didn't tell Rukas that the article was incomplete, it was a rough draft but nether the less minus the title this thread is good. Good to talk about the state of hip-hop, good points being fired each way but there's alot of ignorace at the same time. Well anyways my opinion comes to this, simple.

It's not artists fault that in this day and age hip-hop has been pushed into a mainstream parody. Infact it is these CEO's whom be sitting in their 35, 000$ ivory chairs who command what goes on and what will sell a million. Alot of the time they get it right, sometimes they don't. Incase no one noticed, it's harder to find say a 'Common' album then it is to find say a 'Jigga' album. Because Common isn't really marketable in the eyes of these CEO's. Reality is, anyone with any sort of talent is marketable. I mean there's close to 9 billion peeps and you're gonna tell me Common ain't marketable to a percentage of that?

Basically what im trying to get at is, CEO's control what gets put out there. 50 Cent, Jay-Z, Chingy, Nelly are all there to sell. Occassionally we'll get someone who's got something worthwhile to say 'Kayne West' even if their actual emcee talentes aren't the greatest. But for the whole scope of things, CEO's aren't promotiong peeps like K-Os or Cee-Lo or Bun-B or whomever else that just drops insightful hip-hop. Whom are talented to the bone. Who if they had a chance would grasp hip-hop and put it down like it is without dropping "i love you, even though it was a one night fling, in my maybach chromed out 26's and my ice shinning that night on ya amazing complex" shizzle.

In short, hip-hop isn't dead. I said it was in a critical condition. Yes, I was airing it out from a mainstream point of view however, I didn't explain that. I know. My writing was shocking, I know. But hip-hop isn't dead at all, it's just these CEO's don't know how to promote these artists what have been hitting us with insightful music or real music for the last couple of years in the U.G. (underground). And because they don't know how to promote (market) them, they simply don't. And because of that we don't hear much from that, as much as we'd like to anyways and some peeps never get a chance to bump them. hence why they think hip-hop is dead, they don't even know these artists exist. So CEO's go for the all too familiar route and promote the 50's the Jigga's the Nelly's. Thats all some peeps hear, peeps eventually get sick of it and say hip-hop is dead. (meanwhile i go back to the point that they don't get the chance to bump the U.G. insightful artists) So their opinions are short sighted.

This is where these hardcore fans, Roaches and Chronic and etc.. come in. They know whats happening in the U.G. aswell as in the mainstream. They know whats good and not-so, even if its opinion based. It's 90% of the time a good solid opinion. They hop on the net and hit ya with these insightful artists or herald albums which peeps might of never heard. But then we go back to these peeps never hearing it and getting too concerned that 'maybe' they won't like it without even hearing it. Then these peeps go back to saying hip-hop is dead. While the hardcore fans say the opposite...

Now go and pick this apart and choose certain things I said over others to make me look like a jackass.

Make sense??

peace.

 

[roaches]

I don't think the health of hip-hop has anything to do with major labels decide to do/not do with hip-hop, and even the financial success of people in hip-hop doesn't depend on major labels.

As far as promotion goes, UGK "went gold without a single or a video" a decade ago. Common's live shows demand a very decent ticket price, and he performs at the hottest clubs. Slim Thug bought his Bentley before the Neptunes had ever heard of him. Screw is bigger in the south than Ludacris will ever be. The most important hip-hop album made was released on an indie.

 

[cm_millionaire]

Slim Thug bought his Bentley before the Neptunes had ever heard of him.

How did he afford that?

 

[DEEJAY*]

If you talk bout mainstream artists now compared to previous years it is clear that there has been a significant drop-off in talent and variety in the rap game. Problem is is that everyone follows what is hot and it is easier to copy what other rappers are doin instead of coming out with something different. An example of this is when Mase came back in the game he had a chance to really do something different on his own and yet I turn on MTV and its all this 'Breathe stretch shake' put your hands in the air bullshit bubblegum rap which is all what seems to get released today. Rappers like Will Smith have jumped on the band-waggon with his latest single.

You know, is there really any difference between 'Candy Shop' and 'Disco Inferno'? Nope not really but they are sitting in the top 5 at the same time and in Hip Hop terms are both pretty garbage tracks. Even the better rappers like Nas and Eminem both released pretty mediocre albums lately.

The underground scene of course is a different story...