I guess it depends on whether other French players heard it, if they want to stamp out racism how are they going to do that if they never believe the guys that have been harrassed? I dont think a little trash talk caused Zidane to do that, I heard thru his entire career he hasnt done something that silly before.. Is that true my football guru's?
World Cup 2006
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IMO, both should've got red carded, not only Zidane. Because the incident happen off-the-ball, the referre should see it as "what caused the player to do what he did", meaning someone must've provoked him.
Otherwise, this tactics will always be used to win games, which is ridiculous for the team that is under-manned.
Not much point to punish the provoker after the big game, unless he was to be punish with a year or two game ban, in this Materazzi case, if it was to be involved with racist remarks.
Otherwise, this tactics will always be used to win games, which is ridiculous for the team that is under-manned.
Not much point to punish the provoker after the big game, unless he was to be punish with a year or two game ban, in this Materazzi case, if it was to be involved with racist remarks.
Those who say what Zidane did was justifiable and the right thing to do and showed dignity are just straight ignorants and clueless.
Let me first say that i'm hugely disappointed at Zidane.I was down myself and couldn't believe what he had done.Even non Italian supporters here were down and shocked for a second.
What Zidane did was just wrong.There is no if/but,there are no exceptions.There was no need to do that.I can bet there wasn't something new there that Zidane never have heard before prior to that accident.I'm sure there were such things said to Zidane before too.It happends to all players.Why would you headbutt a man like that?He seemed such a gentlment and professor on and off the field.Everybody was loving him,admiring him,looking up to him.The whole world is watching your last match of your career and with only ten minutes left to the game.. you headbutt a man?Say something back and after the game beat him up all you want.A lot of people say he showed dignity with that and gained respect and such and such.Come on man.Don't you see its bigger then just man dignity and self-pride and all that shit?You letting down your country.Its all about your country at that point.You caused your country to loose.What exactly did he gained with that hit?You think when he goes back to home people will welcome him with ''yea yea Zidane..way to go..well done..your a bad boy..nobody will fuck with you..props man..''?He didn't gain nothing.He lost.
Those who say hes sent off had no influence on the game are again clueless.Did you not watch the game.It was Zidane vs.Italy.Nobody was playing expect for Zidane.Even Henry wasn't playing all that well.Zidane was playing by himself against the whole Italian team.He was distributing passes from left to right and others didn't know what to do with them.They were all watching Zidane playing.So,how you going to say hes sent off didn't effect the game or penalty results.He was the core of his team.Everybody was looking at Zidane as to what he would going to do next.They were hopeless,clueless and had no determination to go on and play without Zidane.The bottom line is he is the blame for France loss.
Unfortunate it is that Zidane is the headline of all this,instead of talking about Italy and celebrating their victory itself.
Like 7Syns said,They are gonna flaunt this win for years to come unfortunately for non Italian supporters though, but i don't mind as much.
And to my haters troublesome2004 and marc,yall missjudged your fucking selves.Go back and re-read yourselfs,i aint got nothing to prove to you thats definetl.
Let me first say that i'm hugely disappointed at Zidane.I was down myself and couldn't believe what he had done.Even non Italian supporters here were down and shocked for a second.
What Zidane did was just wrong.There is no if/but,there are no exceptions.There was no need to do that.I can bet there wasn't something new there that Zidane never have heard before prior to that accident.I'm sure there were such things said to Zidane before too.It happends to all players.Why would you headbutt a man like that?He seemed such a gentlment and professor on and off the field.Everybody was loving him,admiring him,looking up to him.The whole world is watching your last match of your career and with only ten minutes left to the game.. you headbutt a man?Say something back and after the game beat him up all you want.A lot of people say he showed dignity with that and gained respect and such and such.Come on man.Don't you see its bigger then just man dignity and self-pride and all that shit?You letting down your country.Its all about your country at that point.You caused your country to loose.What exactly did he gained with that hit?You think when he goes back to home people will welcome him with ''yea yea Zidane..way to go..well done..your a bad boy..nobody will fuck with you..props man..''?He didn't gain nothing.He lost.
Those who say hes sent off had no influence on the game are again clueless.Did you not watch the game.It was Zidane vs.Italy.Nobody was playing expect for Zidane.Even Henry wasn't playing all that well.Zidane was playing by himself against the whole Italian team.He was distributing passes from left to right and others didn't know what to do with them.They were all watching Zidane playing.So,how you going to say hes sent off didn't effect the game or penalty results.He was the core of his team.Everybody was looking at Zidane as to what he would going to do next.They were hopeless,clueless and had no determination to go on and play without Zidane.The bottom line is he is the blame for France loss.
Unfortunate it is that Zidane is the headline of all this,instead of talking about Italy and celebrating their victory itself.
Like 7Syns said,They are gonna flaunt this win for years to come unfortunately for non Italian supporters though, but i don't mind as much.
And to my haters troublesome2004 and marc,yall missjudged your fucking selves.Go back and re-read yourselfs,i aint got nothing to prove to you thats definetl.
I'm not sayin what he did was justifiable, personally I cant figure out why he did it. But I dont consider trash talking any better, I mean if your going to play a game beat your opponent with skill not personal insults. When I play basketball I cant even think about talkin shit to the other team, it doesnt even enter my head so I guess thats why I consider what the Italian did wrong too, but its not suprising either.
Hey Bachaveli,
Just my observation on the game after Zidane was red-carded.
France wasn't as lost with the ball and what to do with it, as you and others may think. They were still full-on-attacking Italy, even when Zidane was red-carded, meaning they were 1 man down. Their passing was still direct and they did some great through-balls, one of which, Wiltord should have crossed for Trezeguet, instead of taking the near-impossible shot. Obviously, yes, influence must played a part for the last 10 minutes for France.
As I said on the post above you, in all fairness, both Zidane & Materazzi should have got sent off for their mishaps, rather than hearing or seeing only one side of the story. The red-card cost France the game and there is little point to punish Materazzi after the game that had already finish, as Italy have already emerge to be the winner of the World Cup.
I'm not bitter about the victory to Italy. As I also said earlier, I like most if not all teams participating in the WC.
Peace~
Just my observation on the game after Zidane was red-carded.
France wasn't as lost with the ball and what to do with it, as you and others may think. They were still full-on-attacking Italy, even when Zidane was red-carded, meaning they were 1 man down. Their passing was still direct and they did some great through-balls, one of which, Wiltord should have crossed for Trezeguet, instead of taking the near-impossible shot. Obviously, yes, influence must played a part for the last 10 minutes for France.
As I said on the post above you, in all fairness, both Zidane & Materazzi should have got sent off for their mishaps, rather than hearing or seeing only one side of the story. The red-card cost France the game and there is little point to punish Materazzi after the game that had already finish, as Italy have already emerge to be the winner of the World Cup.
I'm not bitter about the victory to Italy. As I also said earlier, I like most if not all teams participating in the WC.
Peace~
Exactly my point.Beat your opponent with skill not with an insult.I know its hard to handle yourself at that time given the situation-so fatigue,intense,mad,angry or whatever but don't fall for it.Its a mind game.He provoked you so you could fall for it.Say same thing back to him and continue as if it didn't bother you.Try to beat him on the field first.That would be your comeback and winner.But,Once the game is over,just run straight to him and beat the fuck out of him.
Materazzi should have been sent off or not,he would not have no matter what.There is no prove to what he said.Maybe we'd like to think he should have been send off but he wouldn't have,no way.Trash talking is always happening in the game,you can't tell a ref he cussed me so send him off.Unless ref was there and heard the words then maybe.But otherwise,i think if he did say racist stuff he should definetly be suspended but that is like you know chest game.I said yes he said no,now go prove who is right and wrong.Will never get to the bottom of the truth.
Materazzi should have been sent off or not,he would not have no matter what.There is no prove to what he said.Maybe we'd like to think he should have been send off but he wouldn't have,no way.Trash talking is always happening in the game,you can't tell a ref he cussed me so send him off.Unless ref was there and heard the words then maybe.But otherwise,i think if he did say racist stuff he should definetly be suspended but that is like you know chest game.I said yes he said no,now go prove who is right and wrong.Will never get to the bottom of the truth.
It doesn't matter if Materrazi was sent off too. Losing Zidane sealed it, whether they were even or a man down.
France - Zidane - Henry = Loss
No way they could have won in regulation or in PK's without their two top goal scorers, no matter how many players were on the field.
I stand by the opinion that no referee saw the incident. The replay red carded Zidane.
France - Zidane - Henry = Loss
No way they could have won in regulation or in PK's without their two top goal scorers, no matter how many players were on the field.
I stand by the opinion that no referee saw the incident. The replay red carded Zidane.
^ AmerikazMost,
You can also minus Vieria, whom suprisingly also a goalscorer for this year's WC, out of your equation. It was a moment of disaster of France ever since Patrick suffered his injury and subbed for Diarra.
I'm not trying to make excuses guys. I just wanted to share with you's that France was more determined to find a winner, even when they're a man / leader down.
Why I say Materazzi should've got sent off too? It's because he might escape scott free for this incident with Zidane.
You can also minus Vieria, whom suprisingly also a goalscorer for this year's WC, out of your equation. It was a moment of disaster of France ever since Patrick suffered his injury and subbed for Diarra.
I'm not trying to make excuses guys. I just wanted to share with you's that France was more determined to find a winner, even when they're a man / leader down.
Why I say Materazzi should've got sent off too? It's because he might escape scott free for this incident with Zidane.
i heard that materazzi called zidane's sister or mother a slut and that he told him after that he was a terrorist or something along those lines. i'm not defending materazzi, but a player like zidane shouldnt have let the anger control it. and zidane knew what he was doing cause we all saw that he thought about it before doing it. zidane should have controlled himself. i dont know how you people can defend him and make him more legendary for that. dude has act a fool. you dont do that. as if nobody except him got insulted in the whole tournament. as if it never happened to him before. he should have known better. he knew he would get red carded for that. but i still think italy would have won anyways if it wasnt for that weird penalty at the beginning..
and i think cannavaro deserved more that golden ball than zidane. but whatever, congrats to him. but i really lost the respect i had for zidane after what he did. he let down his whole country and fucked his retirement for an insult. he let down a country's dignity for his own. thats selfish for all the french who had their hopes up.
and i think cannavaro deserved more that golden ball than zidane. but whatever, congrats to him. but i really lost the respect i had for zidane after what he did. he let down his whole country and fucked his retirement for an insult. he let down a country's dignity for his own. thats selfish for all the french who had their hopes up.
France dominated the 2nd half, and extra time even without Zizou. That's fact, you can't say otherwise, if you are, your just blinded by the win and can't face the facts.
Did Zizou leaving the match cause France's loss? No it did not. The loss of Viera with an injury didn't help, Henry & Ribery didn't help either. Saha not being able to play I thought was also a problem cause Saha does well under pressure.
It was alot of things together the didn't help France, but keep it mind, if Trezeguet didn't miss the shot, it would have been maybe a different outcome. I've been hearing alot of Italians saying we're jealous and haters, honestly, I'm far from it and many others also. The thing is, some people are making it look like Italy won by a landslide when it was very close and could have went either way before Trezeguet choked, but people will be blinded no matter what, it's all good to me though cause at least I can look at it with a clear vision and neutral stance. I just wished the best for Zizou and he got his Golden ball which he deserved because he is the reason France got to the finals.
Congrats to Cannavaro, Del Piero, Buffon and the Bulldog Gattuso, cause they deserve a cup.
Did Zizou leaving the match cause France's loss? No it did not. The loss of Viera with an injury didn't help, Henry & Ribery didn't help either. Saha not being able to play I thought was also a problem cause Saha does well under pressure.
It was alot of things together the didn't help France, but keep it mind, if Trezeguet didn't miss the shot, it would have been maybe a different outcome. I've been hearing alot of Italians saying we're jealous and haters, honestly, I'm far from it and many others also. The thing is, some people are making it look like Italy won by a landslide when it was very close and could have went either way before Trezeguet choked, but people will be blinded no matter what, it's all good to me though cause at least I can look at it with a clear vision and neutral stance. I just wished the best for Zizou and he got his Golden ball which he deserved because he is the reason France got to the finals.
Congrats to Cannavaro, Del Piero, Buffon and the Bulldog Gattuso, cause they deserve a cup.
when i'm saying haters are jealous, i'm more talking about all the people who were anti-italian at the very beginning of this WC who kept telling me off saying that italy wont win, we're cheaters and all that crap and that we wont make it. and you know what? we made it. and now they're all talking trash still because they can't take that we made it afterf all and that they didnt. if a team wins, instead of finding all the reasons on earth to say they cheated, admit that they won and shut up. then they blame the loss of france because of materazzi. if zidane wouldnt have acted this way and wouldnt have ben red carded, they would have still found another reason to blame italy's victory. in fact, i'm realyl sick of these haters. we were a solid team, we won. now admit it, shut up and wait in 4 years or in 2 years if your team makes it into the euro.
if france would have won, i would have said congrats to them saldy but still, i wouldnt have called them cheaters and this and that caused their win blablabla.
if france would have won, i would have said congrats to them saldy but still, i wouldnt have called them cheaters and this and that caused their win blablabla.
Zidane leaving is not the reason for Frances loss, I dunno who would blame him, but that's just a scapegoat. Trezeguet would miss his shot Zizou being there or not.
Italian have a history of controversy so it's hard for people to take them serious, especially since their first 2 world cups in the 30s have been seen as being 'fixed' by Mussolini and there has been facts to back that one up and alot of people will remember the controvery surrounding 1982 with Rossi being put back into the lineup when he was clearly not allowed to. (He scored 2-3 goals to win the world cup that's why), so you can't blame people to have mixed feelings about the Italian team.
Italian have a history of controversy so it's hard for people to take them serious, especially since their first 2 world cups in the 30s have been seen as being 'fixed' by Mussolini and there has been facts to back that one up and alot of people will remember the controvery surrounding 1982 with Rossi being put back into the lineup when he was clearly not allowed to. (He scored 2-3 goals to win the world cup that's why), so you can't blame people to have mixed feelings about the Italian team.
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