Slaghterhouse - Slaughter House (leaked)

[Casey]

it's been pretty clear for a while that the ben choad doesn't appreciate rapping for its own sake.

not that there's anything wrong with that, 90% of the populace is the same.

/bboystance

Were you trying to write panchoud? lol.

And if what you say is true, then why is Kool G Rap in my Top 5 Dead or Alive? Hint - it's not for his super memorable hooks. Your statement is offbase.

I appreciate rapping for it's own sake but I don't just listen to hip-hop exclusively because I'm not 14 years old any more. What it boils down to, is that I appreciate good music. In the case of hip-hop, that's a combination of above average flows, above average beats, above average lyrics and an ability to emote. A hip-hop song that fits all of these categories can really move you......and nothing I've ever heard from Budden fits all of those categories.

I've never heard a flow from him that makes me feel the way I felt when I heard Tupac's "Let Them Thangs Go", Lil Wayne's "A Millie", Kool G Rap's "Ill Street Blues", Big L's "Put It On", Eminem's "The Way I Am", Bizzy Bone's "Father", Outkast's "Bombs Over Baghdad".....you feel me? Budden's flow to me is average as hell and more or less the same as a thousand other motherfuckers.

I've never heard him say anything that hasn't been said before, and of course not many people really do anymore, but furthermore I haven't heard him say anything that HAS been said before in an original and creative way. There's nothing I see in him that I find particularly interesting or stands out, and I've listened to a ton of his shit, including what linx recommended and y'all know he's a big fan.

but you know what, I'm not a hard-ass or stubborn, and tomorrow I'm gonna listen again to all the Budden tracks mentioned in this thread, and I'll listen to the Slaughterhouse album as well and post what I think.

 

[roaches]

And if what you say is true, then why is Kool G Rap in my Top 5 Dead or Alive? Hint - it's not for his super memorable hooks. Your statement is offbase.

i'm basing my statement on what you post. you're a musician, you approach and listen to hip-hop in a different manner whether you like/know it or not. the essence of hip-hop is *very* different from other genres of recorded music. most ppl don't get it - that's why almost all scholarship on hip-hop is sociological and similarly criticism never goes too far beyond dope/wack + blahblah about content and *halts digression*

Budden's flow to me is average as hell

see? you're telling on yourself.

i'm not trying to hate, btw. it is what it is.

I've never heard him say anything that hasn't been said before, and of course not many people really do anymore, but furthermore I haven't heard him say anything that HAS been said before in an original and creative way.

people don't often realize this, but east coast rap is just as provincial/regional as the southern, south cali/north cali, midwest, etc. varieties. there are lots of things that could be lost on someone who's not familiar.

i remember a while back there was this budden song i really liked (can't remember the name now - *weeps over crashed hard drive*) where he was addressing a so-called-what with a you-know-who that contained an extended reference to derek jeter and a-rod.

how could a non-american understand/appreciate the baseball metaphor?

furthermore, unless one was a baseball _fan_ (*looks at traditional audience for hip-hop* ... *looks at baseball demographics, in the dugout and the bleachers*), they might not process the metaphor either - but it would be guaranteed they would if they were from new york, where that situation was all over the tabloids and local sports radio at the time.

sure, i guess in the internet age someone could just look it all up but would the song resonate like it would've if you understood it upon first listening?

there are barriers of entry to understanding and appreciating. it's just a fact.

i wrote all this and i don't even like joe budden, lol.

 

[ARon]

As I weep over my own crashed HD.... I remember the song Roaches, its the Broken Wings shit he did. If you find it in you to want to dl the song again and find a link pass it my way please.

Matter of Fact:

[YOUTUBE]36IDQz1_Wx4[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Casey]

i'm basing my statement on what you post. you're a musician, you approach and listen to hip-hop in a different manner whether you like/know it or not. the essence of hip-hop is *very* different from other genres of recorded music. most ppl don't get it - that's why almost all scholarship on hip-hop is sociological and similarly criticism never goes too far beyond dope/wack + blahblah about content and *halts digression*

see? you're telling on yourself.

i'm not trying to hate, btw. it is what it is.

people don't often realize this, but east coast rap is just as provincial/regional as the southern, south cali/north cali, midwest, etc. varieties. there are lots of things that could be lost on someone who's not familiar.

i remember a while back there was this budden song i really liked (can't remember the name now - *weeps over crashed hard drive*) where he was addressing a so-called-what with a you-know-who that contained an extended reference to derek jeter and a-rod.

how could a non-american understand/appreciate the baseball metaphor?

furthermore, unless one was a baseball _fan_ (*looks at traditional audience for hip-hop* ... *looks at baseball demographics, in the dugout and the bleachers*), they might not process the metaphor either - but it would be guaranteed they would if they were from new york, where that situation was all over the tabloids and local sports radio at the time.

sure, i guess in the internet age someone could just look it all up but would the song resonate like it would've if you understood it upon first listening?

there are barriers of entry to understanding and appreciating. it's just a fact.

i wrote all this and i don't even like joe budden, lol.

Props, that was a great post. I feel where you're coming from as far as regional metaphors, but it's possible to do that in a way that is inclusive of different audiences. There's people in random parts of Africa that understand everything 'Pac ever spit, for example. As a rapper myself, I don't start spitting random metaphors about Manchester United or particular football players cos a) I don't care about football but more importantly b) I know that only people in this country (for the most part) would really get the metaphor. Yeah I know it's different for the US since it's a much bigger country and that's where the majority of the hip-hop fanbase is, but still, people shouldn't look at themselves as regional artists.

 

[THEV1LL4N]

i wonder how much was sold in the first day and i wonder how much they will sell in the first week.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

i got the baseball metaphor..

 

[Little Skittle]

i think the link for broken wings is still on this page somewhere...