Sad: Hip Hop is almost dead

[one mc on dj]

Well without giving it much thought right now I'd say around '98-99. When Puffy and Ma$e were around and Master P and I dare to say the way Pac flaunted the whole money thing while he was on Death Row. Once people saw that shit it opened the flood gates.

No b4 that....Puffy wasnt the 1st to comercialise hip-hop...

It started waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay b4 that....when hip-hop got exposure.....I'd say it started when hip-hop got its first hit...and it just kept growing and now ppl are complaining cuz we don't stand that close to hip-hop anymore it has become to big for us to handle...Oh well 4 some i don't bitch about it...

 

[Ten A key]

Hiphop will never die, hiphop came from the street man . Street people will alway listen. I'm 27 yr old an I still go 2 the record store and buy cd. One thing older hiphop heads got 2 remeber is hiphop music always changing every year new names new faces come 2 the game you may not like the new rapper but the 14-15 may love 'em . I love hiphop an always will I wonder what it is going to sound like 10 year from now peace & love holla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kman_69]

Common - Be

 

[jason_g_718]

Well without giving it much thought right now I'd say around '98-99. When Puffy and Ma$e were around and Master P and I dare to say the way Pac flaunted the whole money thing while he was on Death Row. Once people saw that shit it opened the flood gates.

I agree with you completely. I pretty much said the exact same thing in my initial post. I think it's obvious that the era Puffy (post-Biggie's death), Mase, Master P and the whole No Limit thing is when money became more important than the culture and expression and getting messages out. I remember all the die hard Pac fans (I was one of them) getting PISSED when Master P started taking all of Pac's trademark phrases and shit. Like naming one of his albums "Only God Can Judge Me", C-Murder did a song called "Hail Mary".

But, I also had the same thought about Pac, which is why I asked you when it started. But see, the difference is, Pac was like that because he was an honest kid who started rapping and found out he was really fucking good at it. That caused cash to start flowing in. When he hit DR, he THOUGHT he was making so much money that he was just like "Oh my God, I can't believe this shit". And he was flashing the money because he was honestly just like "look how much fucking money I just made, and all I did was sang a song".

However, other rappers saw that and it became more about "hey, look how much cash I got, and because I got all this cash, i got these ho's and 40's and guns".

 

[ArtsyGirl]

I agree with you completely. I pretty much said the exact same thing in my initial post. I think it's obvious that the era Puffy (post-Biggie's death), Mase, Master P and the whole No Limit thing is when money became more important than the culture and expression and getting messages out. I remember all the die hard Pac fans (I was one of them) getting PISSED when Master P started taking all of Pac's trademark phrases and shit. Like naming one of his albums "Only God Can Judge Me", C-Murder did a song called "Hail Mary".

But, I also had the same thought about Pac, which is why I asked you when it started. But see, the difference is, Pac was like that because he was an honest kid who started rapping and found out he was really fucking good at it. That caused cash to start flowing in. When he hit DR, he THOUGHT he was making so much money that he was just like "Oh my God, I can't believe this shit". And he was flashing the money because he was honestly just like "look how much fucking money I just made, and all I did was sang a song".

However, other rappers saw that and it became more about "hey, look how much cash I got, and because I got all this cash, i got these ho's and 40's and guns".

I think Pac was doing it to show kids they could make real money and theres hope. But it sybolised something else that has become a chain reaction which he couldnt control, sell outs. I'm not saying Pac sold out at all, but when it comes to money some people will sell their soul to get it.

It started waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay b4 that....when hip-hop got exposure.....I'd say it started when hip-hop got its first hit...and it just kept growing and now ppl are complaining cuz we don't stand that close to hip-hop anymore it has become to big for us to handle...Oh well 4 some i don't bitch about it..

I understand that, but what I mean is was that music mainly commercialising a party atmosphere or were they promoting violence, drugs, prison, death? I dont think so, I find todays commercial hip hop less creative and promotes more violence than the rappers who chased the cash in the early days.
I find the era I mentioned the turning point.

 

[jason_g_718]

I ain't really care. You can think that if you want. I've given up on trying to convince people that hip hop isn't dead. You can sit there complaining, or you can stop listening to hip hop altogether, i don't care. Hip hop doesn't care either. It doesn't need nor want you. Listening to hip hop isn't a right, it's a privilege.

It's more of a priviledge for the artists to have us buy their albums than it is for us to have it available. And as far as "not listening to hip hop", I have stopped listening to most of the new shit. I only listen to about 7 or 8 current artists, all the rest of the shit I listen to is from 1982-1996, save for Pac's posthumous albums and the Chronic 2001.

I've also stopped comparing now hip hop to the "old school", the "golden age", whatever you wanna call it. Then was then and now is now. People change, they retire, they die, they change priorities.

And 90% of the artists of "now" are completely fucking retarded.

You sit there complaining, i stay cruising to my DJ Quik, my Dipset, my Lil' Wayne, my Just Blaze, my Kanye, partying to my G-Unit, my Fabolous, my Jay-Z, my Lil' Jon and chilling to my Devin, my Common, my Little Brother. I think i'll take my hip hop experience, thanks.

Dipset is for shit, Kanye needs to stick to producing because he's got one of the WORST VOICE EVER in rap, G-Unit is a fucking joke because they're headed by 50 Cent. Banks and Buck need to break away, Fabolous is a fucking joke and Jay Z is probably the most overrated rapper in the industry (actually, he's probably second to Snoop).

 

[jason_g_718]

I think Pac was doing it to show kids they could make real money and theres hope. But it sybolised something else that has become a chain reaction which he couldnt control, sell outs. I'm not saying Pac sold out at all, but when it comes to money some people will sell their soul to get it.

Oh, no, I didn't think you were calling Pac a sell out, I know what you were saying. You were saying that you think Pac did it to tell kids there is a way out, get good at rapping and you can have this too. But, so many people saw Pac doing that and they decided that they wanted what Pac had BUT, they were willing to DO ANYTHING, including sell out to get what Pac had.

 

[ill-matic]

hip hop is far from dead. it is the exact opposite. it is full of life - more than it has ever been.

people are stating hip hop is dying only by judging from what they hear on the radio...but then again, hip hop began as party music what had no depth etc. So what's wrong with maintaining the formulai that triggered its immense popularity?


there is different hip hop for different people, and i think you are judging hip hop as a whole on just what you hear on the radio..

 

[Last-of-G's]

Hiphop is almost dead my friend.
And that aint a bad thing.
Im not a huge fan of labels anyway.
Music is music!
Cash Money Millionaires destroyed Hip Hop! New Orleans, geetchy faggots!!!

 

[jason_g_718]

Hiphop is almost dead my friend.
And that aint a bad thing.
Im not a huge fan of labels anyway.
Music is music!
Cash Money Millionaires destroyed Hip Hop! New Orleans, geetchy faggots!!!

Lots of people contributed to the slow downfall of the genre. CMM is part of that group, yes. But so are Master P, Snoop Dogg, C-Murder and the whole No Limit Family, P. Diddy, Mase, all of this crunk shit from Lil Jon and them. Jon's beats are nice, but his friends need to stop fucking rapping. Um...Nelly, (though CG was tight), Fabolous, Chingy, and like 90% of today's rappers.

 

[7 Syns]

It's a misconception in which makes people, especially the younger people believe hip-hop is dead. I used to, myself fond with this idea however as I grew i realized that music (hip-hop and such) goes beyond the surface which it is usually judged by.

Im trying to say that, the mainstream is getting corny. Occasionally an emcee will drop something slightly different and hot. eg. Fab with Breathe, Nas with Made You Look, Eminem with Lose Yourself, Jigga with 99 Problems and so on. But the mainstream's purpose serves to get people interested in a record. People like to dance, shake, bump and grind so the result is obviously going to be countless club tracks which rely more on the beat value than the rhymes themselves. Generic or what-so.

But thats gonna make ya look like a jack-ass, opinion or not. If you judge the state of hip-hop as an entire because of that, deny it or not I know thats the real reason these threads get made.

Now, instead of saying "hip-hop" is dead. Do yourself a favour and do your research before you make threads. Check reviews, check forums, check anything which has any clues to a record being good or not. Im getting more at the underground scene here, because rarely do people check the scene before making these threads.

For example, Mf Doom recently dropped a nice record which is hip-hop. Blueprint recently dropped a retro lp which is hip-hop. Then there's Grimm, last years Ghostface Killah's Pretty Toney LP. The Black Militia with Tragedy Khadafi and Killah Priest. And so on.

There's so much quality music out there that it's hard for me now to take threads like this seriously. And yes I did just contradict myself from a few months back. Call it maturity elevation.

Oh and if you wanna argue about hip-hop's state, there's plenty cats here who'll whipe what you have to say off the wall within a couple lines.

peace.

 

[S. Fourteen]

$tash,

you should check out a lot of the underground material 2005. The scene is fire this year.

http://www.2pacboard.com/forum/showthread.php?p=185924#post185924

http://www.2pacboard.com/forum/showthread.php?p=185909#post185909

It's not dead and it's not dying. Thanks for taking the time. Well done.

 

[ill-matic]

Lots of people contributed to the slow downfall of the genre. CMM is part of that group, yes. But so are Master P, Snoop Dogg, C-Murder and the whole No Limit Family, P. Diddy, Mase, all of this crunk shit from Lil Jon and them. Jon's beats are nice, but his friends need to stop fucking rapping. Um...Nelly, (though CG was tight), Fabolous, Chingy, and like 90% of today's rappers.

All youve done is mention rappers who you hear on the radio...

you cannot judge hip hop as a whole by merely examining the quality of radio hip hop..

most of radio hip hop is party hip hop - and hip hop began as party music, so there is nothing wrong with that.

can you mention any other rappers that havent or are not dominating the music charts that belong in your "90%" category?

 

[Mase]

Hip Hop isn't even nearly dead. Stop fucking comparing and realize that things change.

 

[Fonzy`]

wake up, its changing like everything has to do to service

if u dnt like it, dont listen to it

exactly..thats why i dont

 

[ARon]

Im still upset at some poeple saying the underground this the underground that. The underground is like 10% of rap, its the 90% that is ruining hip-hop, understand that please. No one hears the new Blueprint, no matter how fucking tight that album was, it deserves to go platinum, but will it, hell no. I already said all this shit im not even gonna bother.

 

[Mase]

The underground is like 10% of rap

Underground is about 99% of Hip Hop. You either misworded that or you are stupid. The mainstream is probably 90% of what people hear, it isn't 90% of Hip Hop though.

 

[one mc on dj]

I think Pac was doing it to show kids they could make real money and theres hope. But it sybolised something else that has become a chain reaction which he couldnt control, sell outs. I'm not saying Pac sold out at all, but when it comes to money some people will sell their soul to get it.


I understand that, but what I mean is was that music mainly commercialising a party atmosphere or were they promoting violence, drugs, prison, death? I dont think so, I find todays commercial hip hop less creative and promotes more violence than the rappers who chased the cash in the early days.
I find the era I mentioned the turning point.

That is still bullshit...Todays Hip Hop is only like this because it was influenced by era's.

mainly commercialising a party atmosphere or were they promoting violence, drugs, prison, death?

Than blame NWA for bringin that gangsta rap to the world...They split cuz of shit about money there ya go proof ones again money rules the world...That is still way b4 Puffy...

Than blame NWA for bringin that gangsta rap to the world because it sells too much...

I think you just havent decided what you really wanna say..

 

[Tonio1986]

Just because you have a 15-inch dick doesn't mean you're a urologist. Just because you spent money on hip-hop 1,000 times doesn't mean you know shit about it.

And if you're a DJ, well, then you really should know better. Unless you're one of the wack ones.

What is the Original Rap? Do you want Herc and Bam to throw some more parties and loop breaks and have motherfuckers yell over them? That's the real original rap.

The og rap as it is today, I guess you mean you want us to go back to Sugarhill. Great, let's go back to when an R&B singer/songwriter whose career was over hired a bouncer at a club to get some of his friends together and steal another guy's rhyme book and rap over it on an OBVIOUS DISCO SAMPLE.

You're a fucking idiot. I hate to pull this card, but what does someone sitting in Germany know about what's going on in hip-hop and especially the various underground scenes? About as much as I know about what's going on with fucking Kraftwerk or something.

You don't know shit. The underground is about to be forgotten and is falling into obscurity? Mike Jones sold over 180,000 copies of his album in the first week. He'll be platinum before Nas. I hear Lil Flip shouting out underground legends like Fat Pat and DJ Screw on a song that I hear on the radio on a regular basis. Oh yeah, and the record company that put out that song is the venerable underground, Rap-a-lot (but who the fuck do they have? Nobody knows who Scarface is.). The guy whose record it is? Pimp C. Going gold for him was probably the same as going diamond was for Outkast. I've never him on the radio talking about sipping lean in his cup or not stopping until whitey pays him. Everybody's forgotten "Big Pimpin", that's right.

You're right, these underground motherfuckers need to stop wasting time and get themselves some recognition! That guy who put out "Bia Bia" and "I Don't Give a Fuck"... what was that guy thinking, languishing on indie-ass TVT. MF Doom needs to quit - The New Yorker will never write an article about some guy who puts out his indie records on a different label for every release. And way back in the early '90s... what was this Rakeem cat thinking, getting his group to put out some shit about protecting necks and terrorizing jams like troops in Pakistan independently? And what about Percy Miller? Ice Cream Man was kinda hot, but he'll never put out a sound that dominates the hip-hop landscape for a couple of years by deciding to turn his record store into a label. The same goes for those Cash Money motherfuckers, they can put out It's All On U and Chopper City and Get it How U Live or whatever. Jay-Z's never gonna hop on their remix. And why the fuck are they letting the kid of some bitch the label owner used to fuck rap? No one's ever gonna care about him. He's not gonna grow older and set the hip-hop community on fire with some mixtapes that he puts out himself for fun, fuck that.

Big Jaz's hypeman, did you hear about him? He needs to get his shit together, too. He's starting his own record label instead of signing to a major. He'll never go platinum!

TONIO1986: WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

Haha, you little bitch, who do you think you are? You callin me an idiot?! You are telling me that the knowledge about Hip Hop depends on the place where Im living?! I dont know nothin because I live in germany? You really got a small horizon. Anyway, If you ever will visit Germany, then come to "NATRIX" in Darmstadt-Germany, it`s the most popular and best Black music club in Germany, where the majority is black and american. I began as a DJ at the fuckin Age of 14. We had special Guests like Petey Pablo, Funk Master Flex, Ying Yang twinz, Bone Crusher and DMX. I have worked with ppl like Montell Jordan, MOP, Joe....
PLEASE VISIT WWW.NATRIX.DE - I am Dj Jellin.
But hahaha, I dont know nothin about Hip Hop.
Hey Roaches, you dont see the wood for the trees.
I talked to DMX and I swear, DMX himself said Hip Hop will die, so like you used to say it, go and fuck yourself!

 

[Pittsey]

I talked to DMX and I swear, DMX himself said Hip Hop will die, so like you used to say it, go and fuck yourself!

Yeah cool. DMX huh.

We got a crackhead round my way who says a lotta shit too.