Sad: Hip Hop is almost dead

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I hate to say it.. but hip hop is dead or its dying a slow and painful death. It's yet another art form that has been severely corrupted by the Big Willies of the world. Why do I say this? I got to thinking about this the other day when I stumbled upon an old Big Daddy Kane lp and I began listening to it.. It got me traveling down memory lane and pretty soon I was pulling out all sorts of music from a by gone era. Kool G Rap & DJ Polo hit my tables...old school EPMD hit the tables... Old Super Lover Cee and Casanova Rudd hit the tables..Old NWA and Ice T blew out my speakers ...It seemed like to me after listening to these artists who were really in full stride between '88-'95 that their material was far better and more creative then the material on the shelves today.. Hip Hop back then seemed to have a certain flair and a certain vitality that is lacking today in '05. Oh yeah, there are some good songs... but very few good hip hop albums..

It seems like artists aren't hungry any more and the moves they make are calculated business decisions designed to net them some maximum returns for their dollar.. I can't fault one for trying to get paid in '05... Why shouldn't you get some loot for the things you create... especially when everyone else is getting paid..? However, hip hop has really lost its edge.

Lets look at Hip Hop in the following ways.. First you have a greedy, unfeeling, exploitative industry that has made moves which has led to hip hop being less creative.. The first area to peep is sampling.. Back in the Golden Age of hip hop '88-'95.. artists sampled whatever they wanted seemingly to satisfy their creative endeavors.. One guy would take a James Brown grunt..loop it with an Earth Wind And Fire bassline and complete the song with an Average White Band drum beat.. This sampled montage led to the creation of some really good music..
Nowadays that's all changed.. Folks wanna get paid for what you sample.. Hence when an artist comes to the plate and starts creating they may find themselves having to severely compromise. Yes.., I think artists who've been sampled should get compensated.. But often times its not the artists being sampled who are feverishly taxing today's hip hop artists.. It's these publishing companies and in some cases record companies who have brought up the rights to certain songs just so they could make money off of the samples.. You got publishing companies who have gone out and hired kids to sit in a room and listen to hip hop record after hip hop record for the sole purpose of catching a snippet of the music contained in their catalogue.. You have some companies that won't even let you sample from their catalogue and if they do the cost is so much that it economically isn't worth it...

The problem gets laid out like this.. You get an artist like George Clinton who is down for artist to sample him.. He feels it helps revitalize his career.. The only problem he no longer holds the rights to the popular songs people like to sample from ..Hence while George is with the hip hop nation.. the people holding the rights to his songs are out to make a killing.. The result is some artist sampling three different songs... Each company approaches his label and demands some outrageous sum plus 75% of the publishing for the use of that song. Pretty soon for one song.. an artist has to pay 225% for the use of samples..plus some crazy amount of money... and that's for one song. Hence he winds up taking out all three samples.. and he resorts to replaying maybe one of the songs... and he still has to pay for that... The end result is a song that was nowhere like the original.. It lost its edge. Even groups who I think have true intentions like The Roots and numerous others lose their edge because the business of music forces them compromise.... That's overall problem # 1 ... the sampling issue...

Hence you start to see a lot of rap records made specifically for the radio.. Folks will go and get a familiar song and just loop the beat... and have someone rap over it... There are too many artist to name who've gone that route.. Think Coolio and Notorious BIG for starters.. Other artist will find themselves trying to appease radio by getting someone to sing a hook... They're trying to make the songs more melodic.. Don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with doing that...if that's how you are as an artist.. But when its a calculated move designed to secure air play... hip hop inevitably loses something...

Hip Hop artist made the big mistake by not resurrecting their own media outlets... They became too dependent upon the commercial stations in their market to play their material and take their careers to the next level.. What they didn't realize was that radio while working them for the moment always stayed focused on its own agenda.

It's killing hip hop because the artists have handed the guardianship and the music to folks who have never really had an interest for the music until it became necessary for them to keep a number one rating.. You can't fault anyone at a commercial station.. that's what they're supposed to do.. Stay up and know about the latest trends and be able to present them to their target audience.. If only more rap artists knew that then you wouldn't have such glaring mistakes happening... Here's an example.. When KRS-One released his last lp.. The first singles weren't leaked to those die hard KRS-One fans on community and college radio.. They were released to commercial DJs.. Some of whom didn't even own a KRS-One lp.. His record label flew a bunch of people out for a huge listening party in New York.. None of them were the die hard fans who had his 7 previous lps. I recall running into Kris when he came to the station and he asked me why I hadn't gone to his lp release party.. I told him I was never issued an invitation... But there were folks who did go who didn't even recognize the South Bronx beat that Puffy sampled for his R&B group Total... This incident was not unique to KRS-One.. It happens all the time...

What often happens is that label executives will do things for key commercial DJs in order to maintain a good relationship. So even though KRS-One may not have been the staple artist for some of the commercial jocks who were flown to his listening party.. the decision set the stage for other product from other artists on that label later down the road.. The people left sitting down and scratching their heads were all those KRS-One fans who couldn't understand why they couldn't get the interview much less invited to his stellar listening party.

I use this example to make a point that hip hop has a bad habit of killing itself off by not reinvesting in the very things that help give it it's start... Far too many artist get caught up in the vapors of the industry that they don't take some practical steps like getting their own venues to perform shows, Developing their own insurance, security and sound companies for these shows. They don't try and set up their own video shows.. and they don't invest in radio stations that they have continual access to.... Hence when I say hip hop is dead... I mean that its creativity has been squelched and that its become more of a business... Everything seems so contrived and calculated with the overall objective of netting big bucks and not necessarily to satisfy an artistic desire or to please fans.. What's even more ironic and sad about this situation is that there seems to be a new breed of hip hoppers who are determined to 'keep it real'.. Their goal seems to keep hip hop situated in the underground.. However, that in itself seems contrived and at best a futile effort.. I hate seeing rich kids with loot in their pocket pretending to be poor and bummy talking about they're trying to keep it real.. I hate seeing kids from the proverbial suburbs running around trying their best to adapt a negative 'ghetto mentality' all under the guise of keeping it real.. Even worse are the pseudo experts who run around and some how try to politicize and philosophy the actions of hip hop artists in ways that have no connection to the realities of the artists they're supposedly 'down with'.. You know the type...? It's the kid who runs around talking about revolution and tearing down the establishment... but then won't share any resources, power or incorporate the perspectives and concerns of the hip hoppers who hail from the inner city.

So what's it gonna take to bring hip hop back? It's a hard question to answer... Whatever the method use to achieve this.. I firmly believe it will have to be rooted in hip hop becoming independent of these outside business controlled mediums.. It will also have to take some hug steps and start maturing... There are far too many within hip hop who refuse to grow up and take on the responsibility of protecting and defining what we create...Too many of us are making a living off the music and culture and not reinvesting back... It's something to think about...
 
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If you say that hiphop is dying then I'm telling you that you are looking in the wrong places.


"While half of the critics claim it every year: "Hip hop's over."
FUCK YOU, hip hop just started
It's funny how the most nostalgic cats are the ones who were never part of it" -El-P
 

ArtsyGirl

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The only people who say Hip Hop is a. dead b. dying are a. too lazy to look for the real hip hop or b. dont know what good music or hip hop is. Tonio you've made some good points in the past but this is one I disagree with you on. The mainstream hip hop is corny and uncreative but the real mc's are still doin it like it should be done and its far from the grave you just gotta look for the rappers who are talkin bout the real shit and making classic music. Mainstream isnt the place to look for that, you wont find it.
 

Pittsey

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Hip-hop is far from dead.

There's more money now, more artists, better beats to rhyme over.

The mainstream is better now than it was when Diddy and co. were wearing shiny suits and dancing. It just moves in circles.

Plus no matter what time of hip-hop you like there are still at least 10 rappers who do that. Just check the lesser know artists that get repped on here all the time. Take a risk on an album that isn't distributed by one of the big 5 companies.
 
#11
If you are satisfied with the so called "Hip Hop" today, it is okay, Im cool with you. Ppl always argue with : "there are some nice MC´s out there". I see those five percenters. We ain`t in the golden years of Hip Hop and ppl are quickly content with the things they get. A shitty rapper is in no way good because others are more shitty. Thats the reason why so many Rapper are overrated today. Todays MC´s would have been killed in the early 90`.
 

ARon

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I think people are looking at this in the wrong way, we all know the "underground" is flourishing and will flourish but who the fuck hears them, hardly anyone. It is the mainstream that is dead, the majority is dead. I'm sorry but there are more "mainstream" fans than "heads" out there. So people saying, "you odnt know where to look blah blah blah" please be quiet, look at it in the big picture. Ok we have one or two artists out of 10 doing something good for hip-hop, so we just neglect the other 8 or 9 and let it fly? That's the problem with these "heads" today, sit there and take the kicks, like it is ok that hip-hop as a culture is being raped. Went from something truly insightful, something new, something that was pushing the limits of creativity daily to this, a bunch of average ass rappers doing the same thing over and over to sell records. We know all the artists out there keeping hip-hop alive, the "underground" is their, but the majority doesn't care. If there is something wrong with any aspect any percent of my culture i don't want it, what fucking fool would, you cant be serious. Until the tides change and we have more artists who actually are artists being the ones going platinum, not just so they can sell but so they are heard, so people can see what rap is really about then we might be moving somewhere. Until then i guess we could look at hip-hop as the outside world does, a joke. Earn some respect.
 
#15
You just wasted a hell of a lot of time on that post. Time which could've been spent expanding your knowledge on hip-hop and learning why it is far from dead.
 

PuffnScruff

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people always say hiphop is dead but dont stop to listen to these new underground artist. did anyone check out blueprint-1988. that was a pretty creative and straight underground hiphop album.
 
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Rosco said:
You just wasted a hell of a lot of time on that post. Time which could've been spent expanding your knowledge on hip-hop and learning why it is far from dead.
Hey wise guy, who is your agent? Who told you how much I know about Hip Hop?

Maybe I got over 1000 albums and you dont know, maybe I am working as a Dj and you dont know, maybe its my biggest hobby and you dont know, but who cares, it doesnt matter?

If ya cant see whats goin on, you`re damn blind. Im not content with only these minority underground tapes. The Original rap should grab the mic of the mainstream back! I dont care what those "wise" hip hop heads say. When the day comes, where the underground is dead, they can stick their old mixtapes in their anus and then they will learn that the underground is labile/instable and never was and never will be a solid genre of music. :mad:
 
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Tonio1986 said:
Hey wise guy, who is your agent? Who told you how much I know about Hip Hop?

Maybe I got over 1000 albums and you dont know, maybe I am working as a Dj and you dont know, maybe its my biggest hobby and you dont know, but who cares, it doesnt matter?

If ya cant see whats goin on, you`re damn blind. Im not content with only these minority underground tapes. The Original rap should grab the mic of the mainstream back! I dont care what those "wise" hip hop heads say. When the day comes, where the underground is dead, they can stick their old mixtapes in their anus and then they will learn that the underground is labile/instable and never was and never will be a solid genre of music. :mad:
First off your whole view is wrong...Don't make that line between underground and mainstream...ignore the fucking line...Choose to listen to what sounds good...If you really want some good music you don't give a fuck...and you can listen to both mainstream and undergound....

heres an example:

12 on the right side and 12 on the left side....what about taking those 12 from the right side now you have 24 on the left side...lets say its 24 million dollars...Now you can ejoy ur 24 million dollars... :D

Same thing with hip-hop music...fuck underground and mainstream as long as it sounds good...to you!!!<<thats all that matters be SELFISH

and the original rap wtf....If fans cared enough about hip-hop they would have done their homework..but they didnt and don't so they choose to stay stupid and can also be described as lazy...

So it is no longer grab ya dick if ya love hip hop its now support the artist if ya love hip-hop...fucking live with it or stfu...
 
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