Tito said:
Jay-Z=Kane + Slick Rick and add more flair and marketing, so those young guys really came from the classics, not hov.
All of modern rapping* is derived from these 12:
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Jay-Z=Kane + Slick Rick and add more flair and marketing, so those young guys really came from the classics, not hov.
Scarface, Ice Cube, Kane, Rakim. I know Andre also cites Q-Tip as a big influence on him.
Ice Cube. The whole harmonizing thing, supposedly they came up with that on their own, but then some people say that Eazy-E told them to bite Freestyle Fellowship.
He's on the list.
I'm not talking about rock bands. I'm not talking about producers. I'm talking about RAPPING.
Beastie Boys - they don't count as far modern rapping goes. Emceeing hasn't fundamentally changed much since '86, so that's where I'd set the boundary for modern rapping.
E-40 - You're naming a California gangsta rapper and the name Ice Cube doesn't occur to you?
Ghostface - I hear Slick Rick in his cadence.
Nelly doesn't really matter to me because he's wack. What he does is on the edge of rapping. I'm sure he can be traced back to those twelve, but I'd have to listen to him to tell you from who. Please don't make me do that.
As for Mystikal... a lot of Mystikal's best shit was ghostwritten by Tim Smooth, who definitely has a Face influence. Mystikal's delivery is also obviously informed by 2Pac.
roaches said:
He said he loved to listen to 2pac so his style might be taken abit from 2pac. And he has 3 classic albums Me against the World, All Eyez on Me, and 7 day Theory. And he is the only rapper that can get the vice president of the united states try and get people to boycott there records.
The dissing on Nelly is not justified though. I have respect for Nelly and believe what he is doing is as much hip-hop/rap as anybody today. He's Whack is not an argument, its a statement of your belief which is not truth. Its an opinion, same can be said bout 50 and so forth. Some songs on Nellyville and Country Grammer are very rap/hip-hop to me.
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Some of you people are asses. Hes talking about modern MCs, so no need to mention B-Real or Beastie Boys, they arent modern, and arent really and influence on anybody today.
Roaches I agree, but I would actually remove Jay Z. He got his shit from Big, who got his from Kane. I just dont feel Jay is original enough to influence anyone on his own skills alone. I would replace Jay Z with LL Cool J (kids, if you dont remember old school LL, dont even reply telling me his is pop and wack, I KNOW this, but he used to be hot and influenced the game ALOT).
As for Nas, I think roaches is referring to Illmatic era Nas, who wasnt really influenced by anyone at that time.
Roaches I agree, but I would actually remove Jay Z. He got his shit from Big, who got his from Kane. I just dont feel Jay is original enough to influence anyone on his own skills alone. I would replace Jay Z with LL Cool J (kids, if you dont remember old school LL, dont even reply telling me his is pop and wack, I KNOW this, but he used to be hot and influenced the game ALOT).
As for Nas, I think roaches is referring to Illmatic era Nas, who wasnt really influenced by anyone at that time.
kdogg said:
I dont listen to Bizzare enough to know, or care for that matter. But, Bizzare < Eminem < Nas/2Pac/etc
alright then, if B-real doesn't 'count'....what about CANIBUS? - i don't remember ANYONE before him releasing a 200bar song...his flow is completely origional...and his rhymes??....
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Alone in my room, looking thru the 32X telescope zoom
adjusting the focus of the moon
One should not assume the philosophy of David Hume
is nothing more then a subjective conclusion
What is the maximum field rate application?
the run away glaciation surrounding the ocean basin
affects the population, fluctuation
on a continuous basis but thats just the basics
The juxtaposition of Canibus's position
the precision something no other has written
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