Israel authorizes 'severe' response to abductions
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I assume Teck is reffering to this:
"In successive early morning raids Saturday that continued through the afternoon, Israeli warplanes pounded gas stations, fuel tanks and roads, destroying one bridge after another, splitting large parts of the country.
Fleeing refugees, including women and children, were hit on a road adjacent to the Lebanese-Israeli border in an apparent Israeli airstrike as they left the village of Marwaheen, which abuts the border. Two cars were aflame, and bodies were blown into an adjacent ravine.
Police said 15 were killed in the afternoon attack. An Associated Press photographer counted 12 bodies in the vehicles. "
I don't see anything about targeted Red Cross ambulances though.
Israel is blockading and isolating Lebanon from Syria for legitimate reasons. Unfortunately that involves blowing up highways, roads and bridges. And unfortunately, there are people fleeing the region on those roads. These people are the indirect victims of terrorists operating within their midst. Hezbollah is at fault for putting them in the crossfire.
"In successive early morning raids Saturday that continued through the afternoon, Israeli warplanes pounded gas stations, fuel tanks and roads, destroying one bridge after another, splitting large parts of the country.
Fleeing refugees, including women and children, were hit on a road adjacent to the Lebanese-Israeli border in an apparent Israeli airstrike as they left the village of Marwaheen, which abuts the border. Two cars were aflame, and bodies were blown into an adjacent ravine.
Police said 15 were killed in the afternoon attack. An Associated Press photographer counted 12 bodies in the vehicles. "
I don't see anything about targeted Red Cross ambulances though.
Israel is blockading and isolating Lebanon from Syria for legitimate reasons. Unfortunately that involves blowing up highways, roads and bridges. And unfortunately, there are people fleeing the region on those roads. These people are the indirect victims of terrorists operating within their midst. Hezbollah is at fault for putting them in the crossfire.
That's fine ^ Because I made it up... and I am NOT apart of the Red Cross so I have NO CLUE what is going on and I really am ignorant to the fact we LOST an ambulance because it was blown up and attacked with a NEWS crew who I saw on TV in the ER but that's all fantasies and butter flies.. and oh... I am also not aware of the FACT that we were not allowed access to a building with over 80 civilians because Israel wouldn't allow us to go there because of their excessive bombing and disrespect to International Humanitarian Law.. but what do I know.. those body bags of little children were actually scenes from a Hollywood movie.
Israels constant violation of lebanese airspace is one major legitimate reason why we should stay on gaurd and our eyes in the sky. thats an act of war to any country. Its also ludicrous to say that hizbullah has been attmepting to provoke border flareups constantly and not accuse israel of the same crime. Israel also has abducted and kidnapped hundreds if not thousands of Lebanese citizens, I dont see lebanon raining bombs on Israel demanding the release of those captured.
Israel is bombing people's houses. What the fuck you expect?
And i never said or believed Israel is all to blame for this. It goes both ways, both parties are equally guilty since the whole mess started. You have this big problem where you think everything people say is 100% anti Israel. I don't have a problem with the people of Israel, I have a problem with the Israeli military fucking peoples' shit up.
And i never said or believed Israel is all to blame for this. It goes both ways, both parties are equally guilty since the whole mess started. You have this big problem where you think everything people say is 100% anti Israel. I don't have a problem with the people of Israel, I have a problem with the Israeli military fucking peoples' shit up.
No thats another war crime against the Lebanese citizens, What im talkin about is this
"Twenty three people were burnt alive Saturday as smoke and flames of fire rise from a bus hit by an Israeli air strike in Tyre. (Reuters)"
So far Israel has killed over a hundred Lebanese Civilians, Yet they continue to say that they are targeting hizbullah strongholds. Yeah fuckin right!
"Twenty three people were burnt alive Saturday as smoke and flames of fire rise from a bus hit by an Israeli air strike in Tyre. (Reuters)"
So far Israel has killed over a hundred Lebanese Civilians, Yet they continue to say that they are targeting hizbullah strongholds. Yeah fuckin right!
When a terrorist group operates in a condensed urban zone, (southern suburbs in Beirut in Hezbollah's case), Israeli attacks in those zones will cause civilian damage. That's an unfortunate aspect of any urban warfare. In the last 24 hours, Israel targeted 50 Hezbollah targets, including offices and homes. In addition, they're knocking out Lebanese connections to Syria.
Both parties are not equally guilty. Would you blame the Allies for all German civilian deaths in World War II? Should the Allies not have invaded Europe in 1944 because of the risk of killing civilians?
If nobody's going to stop Hezbollah from terrorizing Israel along the Lebanese border, then Israel is going to have to protect itself by establishing a buffer zone and stopping Hezbollah's capacity to do so. This will inevitably cause civilian casualties. That doesn't make Israel responsible for the violence. That's self defense.
When Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority are calling Hezbollah's actions "hurtful" and "irresponsible," that's saying something.
"Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal called the group's actions "unexpected, inappropriate and irresponsible," telling his counterparts: "These acts will pull the whole region back to years ago, and we cannot simply accept them."
Supporting his stance were representatives of Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, delegates said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715...wgF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--
Both parties are not equally guilty. Would you blame the Allies for all German civilian deaths in World War II? Should the Allies not have invaded Europe in 1944 because of the risk of killing civilians?
If nobody's going to stop Hezbollah from terrorizing Israel along the Lebanese border, then Israel is going to have to protect itself by establishing a buffer zone and stopping Hezbollah's capacity to do so. This will inevitably cause civilian casualties. That doesn't make Israel responsible for the violence. That's self defense.
When Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority are calling Hezbollah's actions "hurtful" and "irresponsible," that's saying something.
"Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal called the group's actions "unexpected, inappropriate and irresponsible," telling his counterparts: "These acts will pull the whole region back to years ago, and we cannot simply accept them."
Supporting his stance were representatives of Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, delegates said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715...wgF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--
Thankyou Teck Neex you brought up a point a i was also going to make! Now i could be wrong but i believe i read a couple months ago about Israeli F-16's entering Iranian airspace also, like i said i could be wrong but i coulda swore i read that awhile ago. Anytime you send your "warbirds" into a countries airspace even though you dont fire a shot, you have committed an act of war. The countries who air space is being violated has the right to shoot you down. Anyway aside from that, my quelm is not against Israel targeting Hezbolla millitants but the fact that they are taking pop shots an not giving a rats ass who's hit in the process, kill 100 arabs an its no big deal, kill 12 Israelies an there'll be hell to pay! Morris i appreciate your compliment and I had to laugh at your response that i take things too far an shoot myself in the foot!
Haha maybe I do maybe I dont, comparing the Israeli government to Nazi Germany isnt too far off I dont think. Sure Israel isnt sending arabs to gas chambers and throwing them into concentration camps, BUT! They have that Gestapo mentality. Attacking a nation over some militants which it has no control over is ridiculous, the U.S. has militants you dont see foreign governments attacking it cause "we dont control them enough" Thier freaking MILITANTS fa God's sake!
They dont answear to a government an dont care what the government of the country they set up shop in has to say. So the Leboneese should be sending their armed forces in to disband these "militants"?? Thats next to impossible and a waste of time, these groups tend to be hard to find an move around more then gypsies.Simply put you do not attack a nation an put its civillian population at risk over a pack of renegades. Some serious reseloutions/sanctions need to be brought against Israel an the U.S. needs to shut its damn mouth for once an stop vetoing every time the U.N. wishes to punish Israel for its irresponsible actions.
Those nations/groups are calling on Israel to show restraint. These nations/groups call on Israel to show restraint after every terrorist attack on Israel. If restraint worked, we wouldn't have had any violence in the region since the 1950s. And it's easy for the likes of France to be "holier than thou" when Belgium isn't firing dozens of rockets at Paris daily.
Israel wouldn't have to fly into Lebanese airspace if Hezbollah hadn't set up shop on the border and continued its terrorist attacks on Israeli targets inside Israel after Israel's withdrawal from the country.
Besides, if Lebanon has no intention of enforcing sovereignty in the south where Hezbollah reigns, how can you even consider Israeli planes flying over the border as violating their airspace?
You're referring to Israel entering Syrian airspace. Once in awhile Israel buzzes Assad's house as a warning, generally after a Hezbollah attack. They did this last week. Another time a few years ago Israel destroyed a terrorist/militant training camp inside of Syria as well.
If a militant group is all but autonomous inside of Lebanon and Israel is attacking that militant group's autonomous zone, that's not really attacking Lebanon. In fact, Israel's leadership has expressly stated that it is hoping to install a security force along its Lebanese border that answers to Lebanon, not Syria/Iran. Thus the reason the Lebanese PM is now at least serious enough about deploying forces along the border that he mentioned it as a possibility.
Hezbollah has members in Lebanon's parliament. But that's actually beside the point. Hezbollah's presence inside of Lebanon is actually a Syrian affront to Lebanon's sovereignty. And if your point is correct, then it's the Lebanese government's job to disarm/disband Hezbollah.
I would love to hear some of your suggestions on exactly what Israel should do about Hezbollah and Hamas firing thousands of rockets into Israel every year. Withdrawing from occupied lands obviously didn't lead to peace. Restraint obviously didn't lead to peace.
At some point, it's incumbent on Israel to defend its citizens. If it has to root out terrorist organizations among densely crowded urban zones to do so, that's not its fault. It's the terrorists who are putting innocent civilians in harm's way.
The most recent Security Council resolution was brought forth last week by Arab League nations that call for Israel to stop its offensives without even mentioning the kidnappings and rocket fire are absolutely ridiculous. And you wonder why Western nations veto them? The resolutions are so one sided as to be totally worthless and devoid of reality.
If you're looking for a pertinent UN Resolution in this case, it's the Security Council resolution that called on all militias in Lebanon to be disbanded in 2004. If Lebanon even attempted to enforce and adhere to that resolution, this week might never have happened. Lebanon refuses to do so because they believe attempting to disarm Hezbollah could lead to civil war. That's not Israel's fault. If Lebanon's going to do nothing about Hezbollah, then it falls on Israel to do so.
Israel wouldn't have to fly into Lebanese airspace if Hezbollah hadn't set up shop on the border and continued its terrorist attacks on Israeli targets inside Israel after Israel's withdrawal from the country.
Besides, if Lebanon has no intention of enforcing sovereignty in the south where Hezbollah reigns, how can you even consider Israeli planes flying over the border as violating their airspace?
You're referring to Israel entering Syrian airspace. Once in awhile Israel buzzes Assad's house as a warning, generally after a Hezbollah attack. They did this last week. Another time a few years ago Israel destroyed a terrorist/militant training camp inside of Syria as well.
If a militant group is all but autonomous inside of Lebanon and Israel is attacking that militant group's autonomous zone, that's not really attacking Lebanon. In fact, Israel's leadership has expressly stated that it is hoping to install a security force along its Lebanese border that answers to Lebanon, not Syria/Iran. Thus the reason the Lebanese PM is now at least serious enough about deploying forces along the border that he mentioned it as a possibility.
Hezbollah has members in Lebanon's parliament. But that's actually beside the point. Hezbollah's presence inside of Lebanon is actually a Syrian affront to Lebanon's sovereignty. And if your point is correct, then it's the Lebanese government's job to disarm/disband Hezbollah.
I would love to hear some of your suggestions on exactly what Israel should do about Hezbollah and Hamas firing thousands of rockets into Israel every year. Withdrawing from occupied lands obviously didn't lead to peace. Restraint obviously didn't lead to peace.
At some point, it's incumbent on Israel to defend its citizens. If it has to root out terrorist organizations among densely crowded urban zones to do so, that's not its fault. It's the terrorists who are putting innocent civilians in harm's way.
The most recent Security Council resolution was brought forth last week by Arab League nations that call for Israel to stop its offensives without even mentioning the kidnappings and rocket fire are absolutely ridiculous. And you wonder why Western nations veto them? The resolutions are so one sided as to be totally worthless and devoid of reality.
If you're looking for a pertinent UN Resolution in this case, it's the Security Council resolution that called on all militias in Lebanon to be disbanded in 2004. If Lebanon even attempted to enforce and adhere to that resolution, this week might never have happened. Lebanon refuses to do so because they believe attempting to disarm Hezbollah could lead to civil war. That's not Israel's fault. If Lebanon's going to do nothing about Hezbollah, then it falls on Israel to do so.
Morris... give it up. What Israel is doing goes against any human right law ever done.
They are targeting civillians, and only civillians. i m watching CNN and it's ridiculous they are not showing anything, they keep repeating the fact that Hezbollah have kidnapped two soldiers and that Israel is bombing lebanon.
I hope people here on this board realize what Israel is doing. so far, most of the civilians killed are woimen and children.
Israel are using biological weapons and phosphoric bombs (??)
Morris, you can keep rationizing as much as you want, but people will know the truth about what's happening.
The southern suburb has been burned to the grounds. Hezbollah are virtually unharmed by the attack.
Israel are targeting children and civillians just like they did in Quana. I hope we see these two freaking soldiers beheaded with a butter knife on national TV. this will be nothing compared to what Israel is doing.
They are targeting civillians, and only civillians. i m watching CNN and it's ridiculous they are not showing anything, they keep repeating the fact that Hezbollah have kidnapped two soldiers and that Israel is bombing lebanon.
I hope people here on this board realize what Israel is doing. so far, most of the civilians killed are woimen and children.
Israel are using biological weapons and phosphoric bombs (??)
Morris, you can keep rationizing as much as you want, but people will know the truth about what's happening.
The southern suburb has been burned to the grounds. Hezbollah are virtually unharmed by the attack.
Israel are targeting children and civillians just like they did in Quana. I hope we see these two freaking soldiers beheaded with a butter knife on national TV. this will be nothing compared to what Israel is doing.
gaseous phosphoric bombs are being used against innocent civilians Mr. Morris... you sir, can not find any way to defend this.... and the fact is, they are saying they want to wipe out every village in the south... once again... I want to see you defend this.. anyway, i'm sure you're just living in a fantasy world...Red Cross is STILL prohibited from rescuing the injured... they have been attacked repeatedly ... the International Red Cross Committee with the Main Operations have suspended our rescue work in Southern Beirut because we are not protected by International Law... and now chemical weapons? Lol... in Kanaa.. they killed UN soldiers and they bombed a Red Cross ambulance... you really think your precious nation gives a shit about human life? If we're the terrorists... what would you call Israel? peace keepers?
Don't get me wrong man.. I am against all death, and I don't celebrate the death of any human being... whether it is a Israeli or Lebanese citizen.. but... I take it personal when they are attacking my own Red Cross brothers and sisters... using chemical weapons.. and murdering innocent civilians
Don't get me wrong man.. I am against all death, and I don't celebrate the death of any human being... whether it is a Israeli or Lebanese citizen.. but... I take it personal when they are attacking my own Red Cross brothers and sisters... using chemical weapons.. and murdering innocent civilians
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