Chelsea Vs Liverpool

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Explain how? A proper football team won. Not a team who's fans don't understand the concept of losing since the vast majority only hopped on the bandwagon shortly after Abramovich.

See those scenes at the end? There are precious few football clubs, stadiums and sets of supporters in the world which can inspire that sort of atmosphere. And you guessed it, Chelsea ain't one of them.

Congratulations Liverpool.

Hope Milan thump them in the final mind you!

Football's the loser because the poorer side went through - & no, I'm not talking financially poorer.

A proper football team? To the best of my knowledge, Chelsea are a proper football team. Do you know something I don't?

Vast majority? So you're really saying that around 70% of all Chelsea fans became such on the back of Abramovich? That's bullshit & I think you know it.

Scenes at the end don't compensate for a poor football team. There are actually quite a few who could match it. Rangers, Celtic, Galatasaray, Boca, River.....the list does go on. And Chelsea isn't one of them? Hmm, had the second leg been at Stamford Bridge scenes close to those at Anfield would've occured. That said, Liverpool fans have the added incentive of knowing their team was up against it because they are pretty piss.

And for those saying Chelsea are fabricated.....was Liverpool on earth in the beginning of time? Let me guess, two Scousers were on the ark too.....

Liverpool are as fabricated as almost every other major team today. Chelsea just got bigger in a quicker period of time. They were already a top 4 side so people who say they suddenly became a top side are kidding themselves. And Liverpool have how many Englishman playing regularly? Two? Gerrard & Carragher. Chelsea have how many? Three? Terry, Lampard & Cole.

Liverpool bought all those players bar Gerrard & Carragher. Chelsea bought all those players bar Terry. The difference isn't that profound. And guys like Gallas & Gudjohnsen have being around for a good while now.

 

[Stone_Cold]

Yeah but Liverpool and other teams dont have bottomless pockets and can't afford to buy anyone who takes their fancy they have to make do with what theyve got, whereas Chelsea can just go to their sugar daddy who'll sign the cheque.

And the better team did win tonight. All Chelsea had to do was equal the goals that Liverpool scored but they couldnt do it cos Liverpool were better.

 

[RFTP]

Football's the loser because the poorer side went through - & no, I'm not talking financially poorer.

A proper football team? To the best of my knowledge, Chelsea are a proper football team. Do you know something I don't?

Vast majority? So you're really saying that around 70% of all Chelsea fans became such on the back of Abramovich? That's bullshit & I think you know it.

Scenes at the end don't compensate for a poor football team. There are actually quite a few who could match it. Rangers, Celtic, Galatasaray, Boca, River.....the list does go on. And Chelsea isn't one of them? Hmm, had the second leg been at Stamford Bridge scenes close to those at Anfield would've occured. That said, Liverpool fans have the added incentive of knowing their team was up against it because they are pretty piss.

And for those saying Chelsea are fabricated.....was Liverpool on earth in the beginning of time? Let me guess, two Scousers were on the ark too.....

Liverpool are as fabricated as almost every other major team today. Chelsea just got bigger in a quicker period of time. They were already a top 4 side so people who say they suddenly became a top side are kidding themselves. And Liverpool have how many Englishman playing regularly? Two? Gerrard & Carragher. Chelsea have how many? Three? Terry, Lampard & Cole.

Liverpool bought all those players bar Gerrard & Carragher. Chelsea bought all those players bar Terry. The difference isn't that profound. And guys like Gallas & Gudjohnsen have being around for a good while now.

In my defence, I can say that every team has bought their players. None come free, however the difference is that Chelsea spent an amount of figure that NO OTHER team has done, in one year which imo makes them fabricated. It is very well understandable if a team choses to strengthen themselves by adding 3-4 players whereas often only 1-2 players walk right into the starting XI. But Chelsea almost bought a new team.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Yeah but Liverpool and other teams dont have bottomless pockets and can't afford to buy anyone who takes their fancy they have to make do with what theyve got, whereas Chelsea can just go to their sugar daddy who'll sign the cheque.

And the better team did win tonight. All Chelsea had to do was equal the goals that Liverpool scored but they couldnt do it cos Liverpool were better.

Why don't Liverpool have bottomless pockets? Not Chelsea's fault. In fact, it's Liverpool's own fault. They've had the fan base for a long time but have squandered their money for how many years?

Fuck calling Abramovich a 'sugar daddy', he is an investor like anyone else. And remember, if clubs like Liverpool hadn't been so stuck in their ways, they could've had Abramovich as a backer.

Liverpool were better?!! How many passes did they string together in the second half? Or in the whole game for that matter?

They scored their 'goal' & then defended - physically rather than technically - for the rest of the match. I can respect Rafa Benitez for what he did, he got his team to grind out a result, but don't try & make out they were the better side for 45 minutes, 90 minutes, 180 minutes or at any point during this season....or last for that matter.

And another reason football has lost is the up & coming final which will be - while we stay devoid of miracles - a walk over.....Liverpool can't set their stall out for 90 minutes & hope to snatch a goal against the Italians - who will not be a tired outfit.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

Chelsea spent 200 million in 2 seasons, bought top international players, they bought their success, simple as, Chelsea will never be respected as much as they would want to, and hey now Chelsea have lost in the Semi final, expect a few more multi million signings until Chelsea make the league a 1 horse race, ah yes football is onto a winner here :thumb:

Liverpool are as fabricated as almost every other major team today. Chelsea just got bigger in a quicker period of time. They were already a top 4 side so people who say they suddenly became a top side are kidding themselves. And Liverpool have how many Englishman playing regularly? Two? Gerrard & Carragher. Chelsea have how many? Three? Terry, Lampard & Cole.

Cole only plays because Robben in Injury prone.

Liverpool were better?!! How many passes did they string together in the second half? Or in the whole game for that matter?

Liverpool played to their strengths, and that was to defend.

And another reason football has lost is the up & coming final which will be - while we stay devoid of miracles - a walk over.....Liverpool can't set their stall out for 90 minutes & hope to snatch a goal against the Italians - who will not be a tired outfit.

Top of Seria A
Juventus
AC Milan
Joint on points, Liverpool defeated Juventus, they can do the same to AC Milan. Not saying they will though, but it will not be a walkover.

Liverpool bought all those players bar Gerrard & Carragher. Chelsea bought all those players bar Terry. The difference isn't that profound. And guys like Gallas & Gudjohnsen have being around for a good while now

How many players did Chelsea buy since money bags arrived?
Kezman
Drogba
Carvalho
Cech
Duff
Robben
Sulliven
Makelele
Johnson
Bridge
Ferreira
Mutu
Crespo
Cole
Geremi
Tiago

Have i missed anyone out? right now thats 16 players in 2 seasons, so stop the bullshit, Chelsea bought the league.

 

[retro8]

Im not a man of many words but i will say thankyou to the people on this site even if you dont go for liverpool its good too know that not many people support knobheads like chelsea....also to that guy who sucks chealsea's dick your a sore loser...your team of millions lost buddy get over it im glad liverpool won now it is gonna be 2 teams with a good history...Go the reds...Btw dont bother saying anything back i will take it as you being a sore loser. GO THE REDS!!!!!!!

 

[Kobe]

I did want Liverpool to win this tie even though I'm not a fan. I wasnt really expecting it to happen but it did. I think Liverpool deserve to win the Champions League as they are a team that has been through a lot. All the jokes about the last premiership title they won, the putting down they got when they won the treble, they surely deserve to lift up that trophy come the end of the season.

As for Chelsea, all you had to do was score one goal. Just one goal but you couldnt do it. Back in 99 Manutd scored two in how many mins to win the final?? Tough way to go out, maybe another time.

 

[k69atie]

Even if they do win in the final, don't they have to come 4th in the premiership to qualify next year? i heard it on the radio, is it right??

 

[RFTP]

Even if they do win in the final, don't they have to come 4th in the premiership to qualify next year? i heard it on the radio, is it right??

No they'll get automatically qualified to CL next year if they win CL, EVEN if they end up 5th. However, the team that ends 4th will lose his CL-place. For instance; If Everton finishes as 4th they won't go to CL if Liverpool wins it.

 

[RFTP]

Top of Seria A
Juventus
AC Milan
Joint on points, Liverpool defeated Juventus, they can do the same to AC Milan. Not saying they will though, but it will not be a walkover.

Not trying to take away Pools win over Juve cause if you have read my posts you'd notice that I hate Juve BUT comparing Juve to Milan is really taking the piss of it. By no means they're the same class. The ONLY, ONLY reason they're joint points with Milan is cause of help from none other then the referee. I'm not a Milanfan but ask ANYONE who really follow Serie A and they will tell you that Milan deserves the first spot. Juve is not even the second best team in Italy. Inter is better and they had been ALOT better then Juve in CL. Milan was the ONLY team to give Inter a defeat.

My point is; comparing Milan with Juve, especially in CL, is dumb cause the quality of these teams are like night and day. I'm not saying Juve sucks (they do ) but they always choke on CL, kind of like Arsenal , a team like Juve should have a great record in CL but far from it. They only won it twice . And both times from penalty shoot-outs

 

[Sebastian]

Not trying to take away Pools win over Juve cause if you have read my posts you'd notice that I hate Juve BUT comparing Juve to Milan is really taking the piss of it. By no means they're the same class. The ONLY, ONLY reason they're joint points with Milan is cause of help from none other then the referee.

definitely wrong

I'm not a Milanfan but ask ANYONE who really follow Serie A and they will tell you that Milan deserves the first spot. Juve is not even the second best team in Italy. Inter is better

again, totally absurd

 

[RFTP]

definitely wrong



again, totally absurd

1; Have you seen the Chievo game where the ball bounced in and yet it didn't count? That costed Chievo 1point thus -2 for Juve. Or how about against Bologna(first encounter) the CLEAR offside on Trezeguet who happened to score? Last week against Bologna where Nedved SHOULD've been sent off.

IN short summary; Here's some of the nice "blunders" by the ref that HELPED Juve. http://webmail.tumtum.it/mail/parse...et/download/miscellanea/furti_e_stilejuve.wmv

Why is it absurd that Inter is better then Juve?

2 weeks ago the game ended 0-1 to Inter. HOW is that absurd?

Juve got totally humiliated by Milan in Delle Alpi where Crespo should've gotten a penalty in which you can see in this clip. So, there is no chance in hell that Juve is as same class as Milan. Not this season, not last season either

 

[RFTP]

Here are some figueres that also tells abit how Juve get their dick sucked;

Fouls committed:
1 Juventus 873

2 Bologna 798
3 Messina 797
4 Brescia 780
5 Reggina 773
6 Palermo 760
7 Atalanta 749
8 Cagliari 742
9 Livorno 740
10 Parma 724
11 Lecce 714
11 Siena 714
13 Fiorentina 712
14 Sampdoria 705
15 Roma 694
16 Udinese 670
17 Internazionale 661
18 Lazio 660
19 Chievo 638
20 Milan 617

Yellow cards:

1 Reggina 94
2 Roma 85
2 Messina 85
4 Bologna 83
4 Palermo 83
6 Brescia 82
7 Livorno 81
7 Lecce 81
9 Lazio 80
10 Parma 74
10 Cagliari 74
10 Sampdoria 74
13 Chievo 73
14 Internazionale 71
15 Fiorentina 65
16 Udinese 64
17 Atalanta 63
18 Juventus 61
19 Siena 60
20 Milan 59

Red cards:

1 Parma 10
1 Lazio 10
1 Chievo 10
4 Brescia 9
4 Cagliari 9
6 Siena 8
7 Roma 7
8 Fiorentina 6
8 Reggina 6
8 Palermo 6
8 Messina 6
12 Atalanta 5
12 Milan 5
12 Lecce 5
12 Bologna 5
16 Livorno 4
16 Sampdoria 4
18 Internazionale 3
18 Udinese 3
20 Juventus 2

So you answer me; How can a team that undoubtly fouls the most get least red cards DESPITE having nutcases like Emerson, Blasi, Tacchinardi in the midfield while Milan has Gattuso as their only nutcase on the midfield. Juve is also the 3d team with least yellow cards DESPITE the fact that they foul the most.

Anyway, like I said, ANYONE(who is not a biased Juventino and watches serie a) will tell you that Juve doesn't deserve this years scudetto if they ought to win it

 

[Sebastian]

IN short summary; Here's some of the nice "blunders" by the ref that HELPED Juve. http://webmail.tumtum.it/mail/parse...et/download/miscellanea/furti_e_stilejuve.wmv

sry but it doesnt work for me

Why is it absurd that Inter is better then Juve?

did u look at the table(is it the right word?)? Juve is 15 points or something in front of Inter..

2 weeks ago the game ended 0-1 to Inter. HOW is that absurd?

so? bayern munich (now german champion) lost both games this season against Schalke (second) but they still made it.
every team can beat every other team in the same league...but at the end of the day the "best team" is on top.

Juve got totally humiliated by Milan in Delle Alpi where Crespo should've gotten a penalty in which you can see in this clip. So, there is no chance in hell that Juve is as same class as Milan. Not this season, not last season either

i agree, Milan is the better team..at least this season

 

[Sebastian]

Fouls committed:
1 Juventus 873

2 Bologna 798
3 Messina 797
4 Brescia 780
5 Reggina 773
6 Palermo 760
7 Atalanta 749
8 Cagliari 742
9 Livorno 740
10 Parma 724
11 Lecce 714
11 Siena 714
13 Fiorentina 712
14 Sampdoria 705
15 Roma 694
16 Udinese 670
17 Internazionale 661
18 Lazio 660
19 Chievo 638
20 Milan 617

Yellow cards:

1 Reggina 94
2 Roma 85
2 Messina 85
4 Bologna 83
4 Palermo 83
6 Brescia 82
7 Livorno 81
7 Lecce 81
9 Lazio 80
10 Parma 74
10 Cagliari 74
10 Sampdoria 74
13 Chievo 73
14 Internazionale 71
15 Fiorentina 65
16 Udinese 64
17 Atalanta 63
18 Juventus 61
19 Siena 60
20 Milan 59

Red cards:

1 Parma 10
1 Lazio 10
1 Chievo 10
4 Brescia 9
4 Cagliari 9
6 Siena 8
7 Roma 7
8 Fiorentina 6
8 Reggina 6
8 Palermo 6
8 Messina 6
12 Atalanta 5
12 Milan 5
12 Lecce 5
12 Bologna 5
16 Livorno 4
16 Sampdoria 4
18 Internazionale 3
18 Udinese 3
20 Juventus 2

So you answer me; How can a team that undoubtly fouls the most get least red cards DESPITE having nutcases like Emerson, Blasi, Tacchinardi in the midfield while Milan has Gattuso as their only nutcase on the midfield. Juve is also the 3d team with least yellow cards DESPITE the fact that they foul the most.

ok i dont like these stats that much but lets take a look into it..

so Juve fouls the most? its a foul if the referee says it is one! so theoretically the referees could prefer milan because they committed the least fouls. (i dont say it is like that..but it could be)

So you answer me; How can a team that undoubtly fouls the most get least red cards DESPITE having nutcases like Emerson, Blasi, Tacchinardi in the midfield while Milan has Gattuso as their only nutcase on the midfield. Juve is also the 3d team with least yellow cards DESPITE the fact that they foul the most.

is Zidane a nutcase? dont think so..but he gets at least one red card every season

 

[RFTP]

http://www.ilromanista.it/

then at the middle look for this section; "rassegna web romanista"

then click on Juve: tifosi e furti
corederoma
(you can only click on corederoma) if that doesn't work then I don't know.

To the rest of your question;

"did u look at the table(is it the right word?)? Juve is 15 points or something in front of Inter.."

Yes indeed, but despite that Inter have been ALOT harder nutt to crack then Juve. Milan and last week Messina is THE ONLY team that beat Inter this season. Also, keep in mind that Inter just got a new coach and a whole new gameplay while Juve (even though they got a new coach) kept the same gameplay ie defensive game. They also got reinforces from last season Juve with players like Cannavaro,Zlatan,Emerson. That's 3 class-players.

If Inter wouldn't face Milan in the Quarters then I'm pretty positive they would've went through. If you watched the 2 games you'd notice that Milan got very lucky. Talentwise Inter is top2 team in Italy, it's just a shame that results didn't go their way.

 

[RFTP]

ok i dont like these stats that much but lets take a look into it..

so Juve fouls the most? its a foul if the referee says it is one! so theoretically the referees could prefer milan because they committed the least fouls. (i dont say it is like that..but it could be)

Of course it's a foul if the referee says so, I'm not disagreeing with that. But what you have to look there is that they are afraid or call it what you want it, to give Milan some benefits i.e suspending one of their keyman (Emerson) or anyother. No, the referees don't know which teams commit most fouls, this is a list made by gazzetta dello sport, not by the refs. Their only job is to take one game at the time.

is Zidane a nutcase? dont think so..but he gets at least one red card every season

No, Zidane is a tempered (sp?) player. If things didn't went his way he could burst into anger like against a german team for 3-4 years ago where he headed another guy and got sent off. Milan don't have these king of players in Midfield. They have Pirlo who by no means is a meanie, they have Kaka whoms style is rather elegance, plus he never defends. Then they got Seedorf who isn't one either. They have Ambrosini though, Ambrosini that very rarely plays.

 

[k69atie]

No they'll get automatically qualified to CL next year if they win CL, EVEN if they end up 5th. However, the team that ends 4th will lose his CL-place. For instance; If Everton finishes as 4th they won't go to CL if Liverpool wins it.

Cheers, it's all very confusing!!! lol

 

[RFTP]

Cheers, it's all very confusing!!! lol

These scenarios;

1.If Pool ends 4th and wins the CL, they don't have to qualify
2.If pool ends 4th and doesn't win the CL, they must qualify
3.If Pool ends 5th or 6th but win the CL, they'll get automatically qualified for CL, BUT the team that finished 4th will lose it's CL place.

I'm pretty positive about number 2 and 3 but little uncertain about number 1 but I still think it's that way cause the basic rule says that the winner of CL gets an automatic place for CL next season.

 

[twopack]

if liverpool win the CL but dont come in the top 4, then it is upto the english FA todecide whether liverpool or the 4th placed team takes part in the CL.