Chelsea Vs Liverpool

Rosco said:
Pretty much. They hav the potential to dominate European football for as long as Abramovich keeps bankrolling them. Think the SPL, but only one team winning, not two. Not much fun is it? Unless of course you're a Chelsea fan, which undoubtedly every young kid in Britain will be before long. :(
How many times do I need to make this point?

Nobody is putting money in the game right now without looking for a financial return.

Nike & Adidas pump money into the game but they're looking for money back.

Now, Abramovich is throwing money around & everybody's bitching. Tell me, West Ham were in some financial trouble right? Who else would've bought Glen Johnson for 6M? Nobody. So Chelsea get a player & West Ham get treble what anyone else would'ce paid. Who loses here?

The same principle goes for most of the players - if not all - that we've bought under Abramovich. Drogba? 24M? Nobody else was putting up that kind of money. Carvalho went for over 20M - nobody else would've put that up. The list of players goes on as the haters are so eager to point out (under different circumstances).
 
CalcuoCuchicheo said:
How many times do I need to make this point?

Nobody is putting money in the game right now without looking for a financial return.

Nike & Adidas pump money into the game but they're looking for money back.

Now, Abramovich is throwing money around & everybody's bitching. Tell me, West Ham were in some financial trouble right? Who else would've bought Glen Johnson for 6M? Nobody. So Chelsea get a player & West Ham get treble what anyone else would'ce paid. Who loses here?

The same principle goes for most of the players - if not all - that we've bought under Abramovich. Drogba? 24M? Nobody else was putting up that kind of money. Carvalho went for over 20M - nobody else would've put that up. The list of players goes on as the haters are so eager to point out (under different circumstances).

And your point is? None of this is making football more competitive. The clubs have to use that money to get out of debt, not buy new players and compete. Porto haven't won the league this year, Marseille are still shit, ditto West Ham. PSV are the only team that have gained from what I can see.
 

tHuG $TyLe

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Yes Chelsea have helped West Ham and blah, but the fact is, Now Chelsea go out in the CL, what will they do? They will keep buying more and more players, quality players because of the wages Chelsea will pay, and they will make the League a 1 horse race.

Who loses there?

If Chelsea get A.Cole and Ferdinand they will have the best back 4, who will Arsenal get to replace Cole and Man Utd to replace Ferdinand? Kezman is leaving i hear, and Eto'o will be signed apparntly (prolly in the top 3 strikers this season). If not Eto'o then probably another quality striker.

Chelsea will become the biggest force in football, and they will make it into a bullshit league, it will be one of those Russian leagues where Spartak Moscow keep winning it. ( i don't actually know if they do, but i know some leagues in Europe keep having one dominant team winning it over and over again)

Can't wait, should be fun :thumb: :rolleyes:
 
ThUg $TyLe said:
Yes Chelsea have helped West Ham and blah, but the fact is, Now Chelsea go out in the CL, what will they do? They will keep buying more and more players, quality players because of the wages Chelsea will pay, and they will make the League a 1 horse race.

Who loses there?

If Chelsea get A.Cole and Ferdinand they will have the best back 4, who will Arsenal get to replace Cole and Man Utd to replace Ferdinand? Kezman is leaving i hear, and Eto'o will be signed apparntly (prolly in the top 3 strikers this season). If not Eto'o then probably another quality striker.

Chelsea will become the biggest force in football, and they will make it into a bullshit league, it will be one of those Russian leagues where Spartak Moscow keep winning it. ( i don't actually know if they do, but i know some leagues in Europe keep having one dominant team winning it over and over again)

Can't wait, should be fun :thumb: :rolleyes:
Well that's what Bayern Munich is doing anyway, they always gets the best players from Bundesliga.

Anyway, one point that Calcuo makes is very valid. EVERY team that has won a competition have "bought" it. Players don't play for free even if they're fans to that club. Not even Gerrard would play for Pool without getting paid. So to some extent it can be called "bought" cause it means you're keeping a player with money hence buying the league. Every top-team in the giant 3 leagues (Serie A/La Liga/EPL) have bought their players, some have done in smaller amount but nonetheless they have bought them. Chelsea did it in one summer. Where do we draw the line of when a title is bought and not? Is there some moral grounds to when a title is fair and square won or bought?

In the end alot comes down to jealosy. Most people that have "cursed" Abramovich have often been the same ppl from the teams that usually is competitor to competitions such as EPL or CL. They gain nothing in adding another contender. Which is why Arsenal/Man utd fans are complaining.

Roman will never buy the entire football world, mainly cause there are teams that has more power then he has. Milan will never sell Shevchenko even if Roman would've splashed a 200 million euro bid. So who is the victim of Romans empire? Like I said, the only victims are Man utd and Arsenal who aren't that powerfull thus gains nothing from Roman, teams such as Tottenham or any other can only gain from Roman. Cause if he finds a player interesting he will make a bid of about 3 times the players value while Man utd and Arsenal would probably get the same player alot cheaper. So in no way do Tottenham lose to this.

What I find fishy is the thing that Roman wants to own more teams. He wants deportivo, already has CSKA Moscow and Corintias.
 
k69atie said:
So i was right??? Just heard that the FA are set to annouce it today
Yeah UEFA have palmed all the responsibility off to the FA. Not that it wll matter since Liverpool won't win it. (I have been saying this since December though so what do I know! :confused: )
 
Rosco said:
And your point is? None of this is making football more competitive. The clubs have to use that money to get out of debt, not buy new players and compete. Porto haven't won the league this year, Marseille are still shit, ditto West Ham. PSV are the only team that have gained from what I can see.
So you're telling me that lack of competiveness will kill football before debt does? Bullshit.

Competitiveness fluctuates & is unable to kill football.

Debt, however, can & has put clubs out of business.

Therefore if Chelsea is easing the burden of debt.....we are helping football survive, no?

ThUg $TyLe said:
Yes Chelsea have helped West Ham and blah, but the fact is, Now Chelsea go out in the CL, what will they do? They will keep buying more and more players, quality players because of the wages Chelsea will pay, and they will make the League a 1 horse race.

Who loses there?

If Chelsea get A.Cole and Ferdinand they will have the best back 4, who will Arsenal get to replace Cole and Man Utd to replace Ferdinand? Kezman is leaving i hear, and Eto'o will be signed apparntly (prolly in the top 3 strikers this season). If not Eto'o then probably another quality striker.

Chelsea will become the biggest force in football, and they will make it into a bullshit league, it will be one of those Russian leagues where Spartak Moscow keep winning it. ( i don't actually know if they do, but i know some leagues in Europe keep having one dominant team winning it over and over again)

Can't wait, should be fun :thumb: :rolleyes:
There is no indication that Chelsea will keep buying 'more & more players'. In fact, there is evidence to the contrary. Mourinho is not - & has never been at any stage in his career - an advocate of large squads. He likes to keep a small, tightly-knit unit. 22 players is what he set out for this season & shipped out guys like Veron & Crespo to accomodate this vision (even though he didn't have to).

Porto haven't won....so? The Porto chairman was happy to seel Carvalho & Ferraira for crazy money. Mourinho leacing is a huge factor. Marsielle's the same. I would assume their chairman was over the moon when Chelsea outbide very other team by at least 5M & possbily - according to some reports - almost 10M.

Nobody loses there in my eyes.

If Cole & Ferdinand move to Chelsea there are few losers & many winners. In Cole's case, Arsenal lose (although a hefty fee should ease that burden) but Chelsea, Cole himself & England all win.....as does Clichy & the French national team. In Ferdinand's case, Chelsea win, Rio wins, England wins, whoever is enxt in line at Man U wins & Man U themselves (to whom Rio is becoming a huge problem) also win.

Eto'o isn't coming if what I hear is right. He's very happy at Barcelona (& he spits venom about Chelsea). The only way he will join Chelsea is if Barca forced him out. And until we sign somone or you put a name up for me, I can't judge the adverse effects of the signing.

Well, there are very few leagues in the world like that. But if you took Rosenborg as 'x' & the rest chasing as 'y' then you can see the similarities everywhere. Previously in England, there has been a sole 'x' (think last season). Before then, there was '2x' & '18y'. In Scotland there has been - for the past 20 odd years - '2x' & '8y'/'10y'. The point is, there is always a run-away section in every league. It's really up to the other teams to raise their game. And if all you care about is the potential winners (the 'x') of the league then what the fuck is the point of the rest of the league (the 'y'). A fan of football will enjoy football, not just what's happening at the top of their league of choice.

Did you bitch last season when Arsenal steamrollered their way to the title?

RFTP said:
What I find fishy is the thing that Roman wants to own more teams. He wants deportivo, already has CSKA Moscow and Corintias.
Roman Abramovich owns Chelsea FC. He sponsers CSKA Moscow. Is that meant to be Corinthians? And I dunno about the Deportivo situation apart from the fact that it would be illegal - in terms of UEFA rules - for him to own them.
 
"Roman Abramovich owns Chelsea FC. He sponsers CSKA Moscow. Is that meant to be Corinthians? And I dunno about the Deportivo situation apart from the fact that it would be illegal - in terms of UEFA rules - for him to own them.
"

Of course he OFFICIALLY is only a sponsor but don't you think it's more then that? Same as with Corintihas, where do you think they got the money to buy one of the most talented and most attracted players like Teves and Kascherano from?
 
Of course he has more influence & is more generous than the average sponser but the former is not proveable & neither are illegal.

Corinthians (where are you getting your spelling?) are in the same boat as far as I know.
 

tHuG $TyLe

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CalcuoCuchicheo said:
There is no indication that Chelsea will keep buying 'more & more players'. In fact, there is evidence to the contrary. Mourinho is not - & has never been at any stage in his career - an advocate of large squads. He likes to keep a small, tightly-knit unit. 22 players is what he set out for this season & shipped out guys like Veron & Crespo to accomodate this vision (even though he didn't have to).

Porto haven't won....so? The Porto chairman was happy to seel Carvalho & Ferraira for crazy money. Mourinho leacing is a huge factor. Marsielle's the same. I would assume their chairman was over the moon when Chelsea outbide very other team by at least 5M & possbily - according to some reports - almost 10M.

Nobody loses there in my eyes.

If Cole & Ferdinand move to Chelsea there are few losers & many winners. In Cole's case, Arsenal lose (although a hefty fee should ease that burden) but Chelsea, Cole himself & England all win.....as does Clichy & the French national team. In Ferdinand's case, Chelsea win, Rio wins, England wins, whoever is enxt in line at Man U wins & Man U themselves (to whom Rio is becoming a huge problem) also win.

Eto'o isn't coming if what I hear is right. He's very happy at Barcelona (& he spits venom about Chelsea). The only way he will join Chelsea is if Barca forced him out. And until we sign somone or you put a name up for me, I can't judge the adverse effects of the signing.

Well, there are very few leagues in the world like that. But if you took Rosenborg as 'x' & the rest chasing as 'y' then you can see the similarities everywhere. Previously in England, there has been a sole 'x' (think last season). Before then, there was '2x' & '18y'. In Scotland there has been - for the past 20 odd years - '2x' & '8y'/'10y'. The point is, there is always a run-away section in every league. It's really up to the other teams to raise their game. And if all you care about is the potential winners (the 'x') of the league then what the fuck is the point of the rest of the league (the 'y'). A fan of football will enjoy football, not just what's happening at the top of their league of choice.

Did you bitch last season when Arsenal steamrollered their way to the title?[/QOUTE]

Arsenal winning the league did i bitch? No, coz they won the league in a respectable way and not buying every single player they could to win the league. They only signed one player last season and that was Lehmann.

If Cole joins Chelsea, Arsenal lose the best left back argubably in the world, who will replace him, Clichy? he has little experience and isn't in the same class as Cole. Arsenal lose, Chelsea win. Arsenal lose a world class player, Chelsea gain one, another advantage for Chelsea.

Ferdinand leaves Man Utd, who will come in, Pique a 17 year old defender, Bardlsly? and 18-19 player, ah yes imagine them vs the likes of Henry, Shevchenko...

I never said i only checked for the winners of the league, but of course that is the main talking point coz no-one cares who finished 14th in the league. (apart from the teams fans)

Chelsea want 22 players, so the players who are not up to Chelsea's standards i.e Geremi, Parker, Kezman will be sold and world class replacements will be brought in.


What is it with spelling for you? The amount of times ive seen spelling being brought into an argument is when one side is losing.

But we could go down that route and say 'next' isn't spelt 'enxt'.

:thumb: dum de dum dum
 
But it was a 1 horse race? You made out as if this is a problem.

So Arsenal will not get a huge cash windfall? Of course Clichy is not as good as Cole but there was also a time when Cole couldn't lace Winterburn's boots - players NEED games & experience at some point & with it, Clichy could be as good.

If Ferdinand was to leave, 30M would be the kind of figure we'd be talking. Now, if with 30M the best Man U can do is bring in a reserve/youth player, then they deserve to suffer for selling him. Like I said, everybody wins if Ferdinand leaves. Man U can't even afford to keep him!!

Jose wanted 22 players this season. He kept the likes of Glen Johnson & bought Kezman, so what would be the problem with selling them & buying in better players? Every team does this. And no, they won't be world-class because Mourinho is not an idiot - 11 places, 22 world class players? Do the maths.

What spelling thing? I didn't correct you here I don't think.

And yeah, when you type as much as that, one spelling mistake isn't anything. But feel free to correct me on the off-chance that I am legitimately unaware of the correct spelling of a word.
 
Of course he has more influence & is more generous than the average sponser but the former is not proveable & neither are illegal.
No it's not I guess, not technichally. But it's still "cheating" cause he can buy the most wanted players and put them to these clubs just so his competitors won't get them or he can simply have them there as a step to chelsea. Either way it's still unfair. Cause he really OWNS these clubs.
Corinthians (where are you getting your spelling?) are in the same boat as far as I know.
Sorry about the spelling. No, as far as I recall, Corinthians got a new owner for a time ago, some months ago. These people that bought the club is "associated" with Roman.
 
RFTP said:
No it's not I guess, not technichally. But it's still "cheating" cause he can buy the most wanted players and put them to these clubs just so his competitors won't get them or he can simply have them there as a step to chelsea. Either way it's still unfair. Cause he really OWNS these clubs.
It's not 'cheating'. You know how many clubs have 'feeder clubs'? And Abramovich doesn't send players to CSKA or Corinthians to stop competitors getting them.

RFTP said:
Sorry about the spelling. No, as far as I recall, Corinthians got a new owner for a time ago, some months ago. These people that bought the club is "associated" with Roman.
Shit, JP Magnier & them are 'associated' with horses who help bankroll them, don't mean the horses have a say in Man U!!

Of cours, Abramovish bankrolls these clubs but while he's not breaking any rules or disrupting anyone else with this, people need to chill....it's Roman's life, everybody need to chiiiil.
 
CalcuoCuchicheo said:
It's not 'cheating'. You know how many clubs have 'feeder clubs'? And Abramovich doesn't send players to CSKA or Corinthians to stop competitors getting them.
So you think that teams that has feeder clubs help them buying WORLDCLASS players? What you do with your feeder club is mostly loan out players there and if they got an interesting player they buy him. That's the end of it. Roman controlls who Corinthians shall buy. Tevez was as much wanted as Robinho(who signed for Real Madrid apparently) and Roman saw that, so he wanted to avoid another team of highest calibre to get him. Imgaine if Man utd wouldve gotten Tevez and he would've had a season like Kaka in his first year, now that's a risk Roman didnt/don't want to buy

An article :

Chelsea plan for life after the coronation
By Oliver Kay



BY THE time they leave the pitch away to Bolton Wanderers this evening, Chelsea expect to have been confirmed as champions of England for the first time in half a century, but any notion of resting on laurels was dismissed emphatically yesterday as they illustrated their long-term planning by lining up a deal for Javier Mascherano, the outstanding young Argentina midfield player, who will join them after next year’s World Cup finals.

Sources at Stamford Bridge revealed last night that an agreement had been reached with Corinthians over the signing of Mascherano, even though the 21-year-old is not scheduled to join the Brazilian club from River Plate until this summer. The deal is certain to increase suspicions about links between Roman Abramovich and Corinthians, who have spent heavily since being taken over by a London-based consortium in mysterious circumstances
this season, but, for now, it is likely only to inspire fear at Arsenal and Manchester United, both of whom have been impressed by Mascherano’s development.



Chelsea’s success in securing the acquisition of Mascherano, who will command a transfer fee in excess of £10 million, will lessen the urgency of their pursuit of Steven Gerrard, but suggestions that they have dropped their interest in the Liverpool captain have been denied. It has emerged that José Mourinho has told his board that Mascherano is a better player and a more important target than Gerrard — whose commitment, taken for granted three weeks ago, they now consider less certain — but the England player remains high on Chelsea’s shopping list along with João Alves, a relatively obscure midfield player from Sporting Braga, of Portugal.

Nevertheless, reports that Mourinho had dropped his interest in Gerrard, saying he was “not worth” the proposed £30 million fee, were eagerly digested yesterday by Rafael Benítez, the Liverpool manager, particularly with regard to their European Cup semi-final second leg against Chelsea at Anfield on Tuesday. “We want to prepare a good team for the future with Steven Gerrard,” Benítez said. “If he stays with us next season, we will be stronger. And if Chelsea say they don’t want him, maybe he will have a challenge to win trophies next Tuesday.”

Before they can contemplate Tuesday’s trip to Anfield, though, Chelsea are eager to pick up the victory that will secure the Premiership title at the Reebok Stadium tonight.

Their coronation was delayed by Arsenal’s victory over Tottenham Hotspur on Monday and Mourinho, though he has always expressed a preference for securing the championship on home soil, is eager to have the issue resolved before Tuesday’s second leg, which is why he is reluctant to rest too many of the players who looked tired in the 0-0 first-leg draw against Liverpool on Wednesday.


Sir Alex Ferguson stated with conviction yesterday that Chelsea would not secure the title at the Reebok Stadium — and not just because of his long-held theory that Mourinho’s team would “find it hard to win games in the North”. “They won’t win it tomorrow,” the Manchester United manager said. “I would imagine he (Mourinho) will play quite a few of his reserves.
“Irrespective of when they do it, they are worthy winners this season. It’s hard to win this league. It’s the hardest league in the world, I think, and, if you win it, you deserve credit.”

Ferguson also entered the debate over whether or not Liverpool should be admitted to the Champions League next season if they win the tournament but are beaten to fourth place in the Premiership by Everton.

The competition’s regulations appear to make provisions for such an outcome, saying that the fourth-placed team would drop into the Uefa Cup, but this course of action would have to be requested by the Football Association, whose Professional Game Board is expected to vote against it if the issue remains open after next week’s second leg against Chelsea. “I would have thought anyone who won the Champions League should go into it the next year,” Ferguson said. “It would be a pity if they didn’t.”
Of cours, Abramovish bankrolls these clubs but while he's not breaking any rules or disrupting anyone else with this, people need to chill....it's Roman's life, everybody need to chiiiil.
Not yet no, plus where's the morale in this?!
 
Worldclass? Robinho is not worldclass (yet) & neither is Carlos Tevez.

Manchester United would never have gotten Tevez: they're broke.

I don't know if you know this, but Abramovich doesn't interfere with the footballing side of it much, so I highly doubt he told anybody to go out & by a certain player. (Jarosik being a possible exception)

And an article proves what...? We already knew he had connections with Corinthians. Souness buys Rangers players a lot & he's an ex-Rangers player & manager & is still a fan, should we be probing him?

Where's the morals on keeping football afloat with your money? I don't know....take him out & shoot him. Really though, it's Roman's life, everybody needs to chiiiill :D
 
CalcuoCuchicheo said:
Worldclass? Robinho is not worldclass (yet) & neither is Carlos Tevez.
A player doesn't HAVE to play in CL/PL/Serie A/LA Liga/Bundesliga in order to be called a worldclass. If Tevez isn't worldclass then I don't know who is.

Manchester United would never have gotten Tevez: they're broke.
It was just an example to show you that keeping Tevez (or insert players name here) from their cometitor makes it a "easier" ride for Romans team.

I don't know if you know this, but Abramovich doesn't interfere with the footballing side of it much, so I highly doubt he told anybody to go out & by a certain player. (Jarosik being a possible exception)
Smertin? You probably know that Roman is a football fan and was always following the games and thus he can alot about players and if my memory don't fail me I remember that in his first year Roman made an offer for Nesta,Raul! Of course he doesn't know who's the next big thing in South America but that's why he "sponsors" Corinthians. They can buy any player they want cause it can only benefit Roman. If that player is a hot prospect that would mean that if Chelsea then wants him they'll get him, in worst case scenario they keep him away from other teams, which might even ruin his career but that's another thing to discuss.

Where's the morals on keeping football afloat with your money? I don't know....take him out & shoot him. Really though, it's Roman's life, everybody needs to chiiiill :D
One thing straight; Roman doesn't bother me at all. Especially since he can't "damage" my team and we're not even competitors to him or so which means we don't have to worry about Chelsea, they can buy all Milanplayers they want for all I care. And quite frankly I'm a bit happy with Roman, cause he gives back to teams like Real Madrid/Milan/Man utd and others with their own medicine. Power and respect -the way to gain and buy titles so it's only fair ;)
 
RFTP said:
One thing straight; Roman doesn't bother me at all. Especially since he can't "damage" my team and we're not even competitors to him or so which means we don't have to worry about Chelsea, they can buy all Milanplayers they want for all I care. And quite frankly I'm a bit happy with Roman, cause he gives back to teams like Real Madrid/Milan/Man utd and others with their own medicine. Power and respect -the way to gain and buy titles so it's only fair ;)
of couse u would say dat becuz hes helping ur team finally win some trophies. but i agree wit u on the madrid,milan,man u thing dats y i hate those teams
 

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