Boycott Denmark & Norway

[Duke]

One newspaper or 1000 it's the same damn thing.




That is still called freedom of speech buddy, His opinion on the holocaust is it didn't exist, how the fuck is that not an opinion?



Drawing extremely offensive pictures and speaking your 'clout' on the matters are 2 totaly different things, we are talking about freedom of speech here not freedom to draw . say whatever the fuck you want about Islam that is your opinion and your right to express how you feel about the faith. but going as far what we saw on those pictures knowing just how much it is against our religion is not freedom of speech it's just plain hate.




No there are none, what goes on in an Islamic household is nobody's business but the owners of that home, that is called privacy genious. if a couple enjoy oral sex in their home i dont see how another couple who are against it would be offended by it. they don't do it why should they give a shit? They're married, they're husband and wife, they chose how to live their lives.

So do Islamic couples, if the husband provides the family financialy while the wife takes care of the house and children that's there business, not mine, not anybody's and definetly not yours. no offending going on here.

If Muslims constanly urge western couples to live the way they live i can see how that can offend them, but none of that shit is taking place. they keep it too themselves



you're so full of shit, why is it any of your business how Muslims go on about their lives islamicly? i sure dont care how bhuddists, christians, sikhs, jews live their lives, why should you? as long as their religious lives do not interfere with mine and yours they can live how ever they want to live. lets cut the bullshit shall we?




Of course, and the silent ones should stand up and voice their anger as well, we take this shit seriously, we call it freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of reaction, freedom to protest and freedom to demonstrate.






Oh I definetly can!

Arguing with you is like talking to a brick wall.

Whether 1 or a 1000 newspapers publish offensive cartoons is the same thing?

Saying the Holocaust didn't happen is an opinion?

 

[Duke]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons


Read.

 

[Khaled]

You cant find a newspaper inciting what you just wrote with muslims either, im sorry.

are you reading anything i post???
when you re in a war against terror and label all musims as terrorists, you're inciting hatred
so these cartoons are a perfect expample.

So tell me how an artist should paint "contructive arguments" into a picture, you need to remember its a drawing! you have to judge by yourself what the artist wanted to tell, it may be right or wrong what you think, but only the artist know, unless he publishes the meaning.

all i see from the pic is it's insulting all muslims.
if the artist had a point, i'd be glad to show you how the criticism should be done.

To me thats a losers mentality. Give up freedom of speech because some cowards threaten us? :laugh:

it's easy to say that when you're not personnally threatened. Why don't you come to South Beirut and publish the same drawings?? freedom of speech is also protected by the lebanese constitution... I can guarantee to you that you won't get sued...


Now tell me which is the looser mentality??
-to insult someone to his face?
or
-To insult someone and go into hiding???

I thought you led the discussion that way with your qoute :

"now tell me, how many innocent muslims have to die to protect your freedom of speech, freedom which is ironically used to offend these same innocent muslims..."

As i cant see why innocent muslims die by cartoons.

i already explained this point.

 

[marc]

Ok, I skipped a couple of posts, but concerning the arguement that pictures of the prophet are forbidden and offensive cannot be true.
The president of the muslim council in germany said "we are not offended by posting cartoons of the prophet, but demand them to be handled/drawn with respect." (~translated from german')
Is the president less of a believer?

 

[Valeoz]

Freedom of speech is just like a double edged sword. It can be used to do good as well as what some people might construe as bad. If your statement is meant to right a wrong or highlight some social injustice, then I would say that that would be a right justification for freedom of speech. But if your statement like the current caricature issue has no real meaning other than to see how far you can test our right to freedom of speech and does more harm than good, then I say that it is not just entirely unjustified. It would be both ethically and morally wrong to do so.

People, think before you do something. Think beyond yourself and what you aim to prove. Even the newspaper editors who first put up the article may feel that their actions were indeed justified under freedom of speech but if the current situation escalates and people get hurt, the just might begin to regret their actions.

On another note, if we want to have lasting and stable peace in this world, insulting another culture is not the right way to go about doing something. If the law says that is OK, then there might be something wrong about that law.

 

[Glockmatic]

Angry about cartoons portraying them as violent fanatics, thousands of Muslims go on rampage burning and destroying property in protest. Smart move

 

[Cown]

Angry about cartoons portraying them as violent fanatics, thousands of Muslims go on rampage burning and destroying property in protest. Smart move

They hit the needle on the head with this

muslims, christians, whateverthefucktheyare, humans are idiots

 

[Sebastian]

if there would only be freedom of speech which doesnt hurt anyones feelings then we dont need freedom of speech at all.

 

[Illuminattile]

They hit the needle on the head with this

Needles don't have heads. You mean 'nail'.

 

[arabic187]

Ok, I skipped a couple of posts, but concerning the arguement that pictures of the prophet are forbidden and offensive cannot be true.
The president of the muslim council in germany said "we are not offended by posting cartoons of the prophet, but demand them to be handled/drawn with respect." (~translated from german')
Is the president less of a believer?

Did he really say that? Or did the media put some words in his mouth?

 

[Minardi]

http://www.bt.dk/nyheder/artikel:aid=418560:fid=100300456/

I know alot of yall cant read Danish, but i actually found an interview in Danish explaining why theres a bomb on Muhammeds head.

"Tegneren associerer naturligvis til en bombe i turbanen, fordi fundamentalisterne jo selv refererer til islam. "

Translation.

"The drawer did ofcourse associate the bomb on the turban, because fundamentalists themselves refers to Islam."

 

[arabic187]

http://www.bt.dk/nyheder/artikel:aid=418560:fid=100300456/

I know alot of yall cant read Danish, but i actually found an interview in Danish explaining why theres a bomb on Muhammeds head.

"Tegneren associerer naturligvis til en bombe i turbanen, fordi fundamentalisterne jo selv refererer til islam. "

Translation.

"The drawer did ofcourse associate the bomb on the turban, because fundamentalists themselves refers to Islam."

Any drawing of Prophet Mohammad Peace Be Up On Him is offenseve no matter what you punks think.

 

[Minardi]

Any drawing of Prophet Mohammad Peace Be Up On Him is offenseve no matter what you punks think.

If you have read through the discussion then you might have understood just alittle on why i posted the above.

 

[TecK NeeX]

if there would only be freedom of speech which doesnt hurt anyones feelings then we dont need freedom of speech at all.

Jesus Christ, we all might as well throw the gloves down and start abusing that prevelidge and begin insulting, cursing and offend each other


hehehehehe I like the sound of that, can i start?

Fuck the Pope he's a pedophile, Fuck Bhudda he's a lunatic and a phsycho, fuck norway fuck the U.S fuck England and fuck every one of you

what? it was either that or no freedom of speech at all


Anybody wanna take a shot at me? im from Lebanon and a Muslim. Do it, just do it! You are freeee!

 

[bigmack]

im also from lebanon and muslim,attack me too

 

[Khaled]

i m also from lebanon and muslim...

please don't attack me

 

[Duke]

Fuck the Pope he's a pedophile, Fuck Bhudda he's a lunatic and a phsycho, fuck norway fuck the U.S fuck England and fuck every one of you

what? it was either that or no freedom of speech at all

Congratulations, you seem to have finally grasped the concept of "Freedom of Speech".

Just because you don't like us doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to say that. And if we don't like you we can say that as well.

What stops most people from insulting each other on the reg is common fucking sense. Not all people have that, that's sad, but not worth shutting people up over.

And i bet my fucking dick 95% of those poor deeply offended people have no bloody idea what the artists meant with the cartoon.

 

[Khaled]

And i bet my fucking dick 95% of those poor deeply offended people have no bloody idea what the artists meant with the cartoon.

that's not a problem,

the problem is what most non muslim people (and those who were actually targeted by the message) understand from the cartoons.

 

[Duke]

that's not a problem,

the problem is what most non muslim people (and those who were actually targeted by the message) understand from the cartoons.

True. But taking into account the article that came with the cartoons, that should explain a lot. I think (my Danish isnt exactly fantastic, i havent read the original article) that it's rather obvious those pictures weren't drawn to piss Muslims off or provoke anti-Islamic sentiment among the Danish readers.

 

[Jokerman]

I wish people wouldn't go out of their way to offend people, too, but it's their right. Going out of your way to offend political or religious enemies is a core element of free expression. There is no obligation to be polite, nor should there be. Hate is the purest form of free expression.