Dre responsible for shitty state of hiphop?

[BleezyBlaze]

Something hit me this morning while drivin thru the city. Listening to the radio with all this crap that's out these days like *cough* current day Kanye and overall abuse of autotune on rap verses (No problem with it on hooks and actual singing, but verses?). Then the house inspired constant machined beats, uh Let It Rock? wtf? etc...

Then it hit me. It all just felt like a dejavu of sorts.

So I think back to the early 90s. NWA had just broke up and Deathrow started up, Dre dropped the chronic, and ish blew up. The genre gains mass commercial momentum all of a sudden and we proceed to have a "golden era" of 5 years or so with lots of artists coming up with good quality music!

Then of course tragically pac left us, Deahtrow collapsed, Dre bounced.. and all of a sudden we arrive at the post DR era that all of a sudden starts to feel eerily similar.

You know what im talkin bout! the 97 to 2000 period of "what the fuck??" music. LOL. Shiny suits, softy pop melodies bling-bling and overall mutation of music styles *cough* what people labeled as "experimenting" and "trying new things".

I call it a period of "Nothing to inspire anyone". Nothing to push anyone to make something better. The no brainer years.

Then Dre comes back drops chronic 2001 and all of a sudden we experience another era of a whole lot of artists coming thru with good ish. The south blows up, people are out doing ish, new shit, they're all inspired in some way...

Again another 5 years....

Now we arrive at the current day..

See the connection? Today's ish is all top hats, softy pop melodies, bling-bling, and over mutation of music styles yet again what people label as "experimenting" and "trying new things"

Is it just another period of "What the fuck??" that will blow over or are we really all turning into pill poppin, syrup sippin rave heads going house or the birth of modern day electro rock rap?

So being the Dre fan that I am and basically growing impatient of the years of pushing this shit back....... DRE needs to drop detox and spark that shit so people get inspired to drop something better again!

So we can get another 5 years of tolerable music LOL

/end of rant

 

[Rukas]

Totally agree. Probably cause I was in the car next to you!

Kanye West = P. Diddy, production wise. Lets sample an old hit, get some sort of retro vibe, and make people believe what was old is now new.

Autotune is the new shiny suit everyone's trying on

Lil Wayne = Cam'ron, can be dope, but makes a little too much up. Although now Wayne is trying to "experiment" too.

I think it's because no one comes out that makes rappers go "wow, that's fucking DOPE! I need to better or at least match that." So they get bored and try new things. It's like even Jordan wouldn't have kept playing ball if other players didnt challenge him. Right now the only challenge rappers get is "what NEW (old) thing can I do now?"

It's like Ferarri making buses because theres no Porche to challenge them instead of trying to make the best race car they can.

Dre needs to drop Detox. Even if it will suck it will at least inspire people to try to compete with it and try to better it.

 

[S O F I]

I think the reason Dre hasn't dropped yet is because of uncertainty. He probably feels like he really doesn't know where rap is going and what fans want to hear. He's not seeing a trend. I think Dre is really self-conscious and doesn't see his music as rapmarket driving. There are rappers/companies/brands who are consumer driven, and there are those who drive the market. You believe he drives the market, but I don't think even he thinks that.

 

[BleezyBlaze]

He probably doesn't see it as market driving, but it definitely does influence the game in all sorts of forms. Not necessarily making people wanna copy his style... but every time he drops he sets a bar whether he wants to or not.

 

[Rukas]

I think Dre is worried he may not influence the market SALES wise, but I think he knows he does quality of music wise.

I mean Dre drops Chronic we get quality Death Row music riding off on the wave of his success.

Dre starts making music again in the late 90s and inspiring people involved with him we get classics from Eminem, 50 Cent, Xzibit, etc etc, and they influence Hip-Hop themselves and the wave continues.

When he doesnt make music those artists fall off, and so does Hip-Hop in general.

 

[Shadows]

I wouldn't say responsible.

I would say Dr. Dre is more like a reason.

Honestly, I think too much people that could have been rappers are now trying to sing to get on American Idol.

People also have to take into the account of having many deaths in hip hop.

What happened if Big L wouldn't of died?

It would inspire Jay-Z to rap more, I tell you that. None of this, "im busting a Jay-Z and retiring."

It would keep Nas on his feet and keep him from doing stupid shit.

Anyway, Jay-z caused a lot of rappers to dumb down their lyrics/retire or/and steal off others material (as well as P.Diddly).

The rappers and executives need to know that you can't keep selling out by making a bunch of dumb club records. Maybe one album, but after that you need to make quality music. I can't for the life of me figure out why Diddy has created so many bands and hasn't figured it out yet. Also, that you cannot make a band, you need to find a band.

I am just glad that people don't try and make a worse album then Eminem's last.

I give it a year or two b4 things become normally better.

 

[Casey]

Dre has a lot to live up to.

If 'Detox' isn't as good as 'Straight Outta Compton', 'The Chronic' and '2001' it will never get released.

 

[Killuminatii 71]

I think the reason Dre hasn't dropped yet is because of uncertainty. He probably feels like he really doesn't know where rap is going and what fans want to hear. He's not seeing a trend. I think Dre is really self-conscious and doesn't see his music as rapmarket driving. There are rappers/companies/brands who are consumer driven, and there are those who drive the market. You believe he drives the market, but I don't think even he thinks that.

True,

but i still think people will buy his album, only because he is Dr. Dre. His production and beats are not to be ignored. That's why when you hear "produced by Dr. Dre" it makes you want to pay attention to the production/beat of the song, and everyone tunes in to hear what Dre's work is like. Even when he's featured in a song, the fans are listening to Dre's flow. I think he'll realize that he can "drive the market" through his music. I still believe he can make music that can appeal to a lot of people.

Peace

 

[killahill187um]

ok
ive never thought that dre is so special
he is good or atleast used to be good artist and producer (not sure bout those rumours that he doesnt make hes beats by himself and hes getting much help from people who dont get any credit bout that, cause ive never really studiet that thing). Anywaysin 1997 to 2000 there was many great albums BEFORE dres 2001 like Wu-Tang Forever, Scarface "untouchable", Artifacts "thats them",Outkast "aquemini", and many more in my opinion. In my opinion it depents on what kind of rap u r listening, its on u how u c Rap.


what i mean is that u cant put every hopes on just one artist cause rap is more bigger that that

 

[Da_Funk]

^^

I think he's also sayin that what dre does is put quality music into the mainstream. I mean Wu-tang Forever and that Scarface album are good but they ain't reaching the masses and they sure ain't fuckin with the likes of The Chronic, Doggstyle, MMLP/SSLP, etc.

 

[kingtim3]

 

[Caesar]

^ wtf?

 

[Shadows]

^MTV is to blame. I hope TRL's downfall will benefit rappers into not selling out.

MTV needs to stop putting rappers on stupid shows too.

 

[Caesar]

MTV isnt to blame. When artists drop dope music they support it too, it is just most artists dont right now. But you know when Dre drops Detox he will be all over it, whether he is dope or not.

 

[_carmi]

Dre has a lot to live up to.

If 'Detox' isn't as good as 'Straight Outta Compton', 'The Chronic' and '2001' it will never get released.

Very true.

And I disagree that's Dr Dre that ruined hip hop. You can't blame the guy for putting out quality music that was popular among all people and made hip hop more mainstream.

Are all rappers supposed to be underdogs that will be known only by hip hop heads? No

 

[Rahim]

the state of hiphop will change when deathrow starts putting out that material they promised around spring 2010...

we have the tupac og album...and every other deathrow artist's album...it will change alot...i really have high hopes for this and u should too

 

[Caesar]

Very true.

And I disagree that's Dr Dre that ruined hip hop. You can't blame the guy for putting out quality music that was popular among all people and made hip hop more mainstream.

Are all rappers supposed to be underdogs that will be known only by hip hop heads? No

I think you need to reread it, he wasnt saying Dr. Dre ruined hiphop, it was a tongue in cheek statement, he meant that Dr. Dre inspires hip-hop and he needs to release something to reinspire it and by not doing so he is (sarcastically) responsible for it not being inspired and challenged.

 

[Caesar]

the state of hiphop will change when deathrow starts putting out that material they promised around spring 2010...

we have the tupac og album...and every other deathrow artist's album...it will change alot...i really have high hopes for this and u should too

Material from 1991-1996 will not inspire artists to do anything new and good creatively. No artists will even pay attention to the releases, it will not set new trends on inspire, it will just showcase old trends and talent.

 

[Rahim]

Material from 1991-1996 will not inspire artists to do anything new and good creatively. No artists will even pay attention to the releases, it will not set new trends on inspire, it will just showcase old trends and talent.

and all the remixes of pac's songs did just that?

with the way music sounds right now...the artists probably wont pay attention. ur right., but there are still millions of fans who like pac and deathrow shit and that's not going to change their minds cuz of some "new improved hip hop sound" is here

 

[Caesar]

and all the remixes of pac's songs did just that?

No, but I never said they did either. Hip-Hop is bigger than even Tupac's music.

with the way music sounds right now...the artists probably wont pay attention. ur right., but there are still millions of fans who like pac and deathrow shit and that's not going to change their minds cuz of some "new improved hip hop sound" is here

None of the albums will sell over 500,000.

And this thread isnt talking about a "new improved hip-hop sound" infact it is condemning them (kanye, lil wayne, etc etc). It is talking about rappers and producer challenging one another to make the best songs they can.

Dre's music has always been dope, whether commercial or not, and by existing he challenges others to compete by doing the same. Quality music that sells.

I think you and carmi totally missed the point of the original post.