Again you're reading stuff that isn't there.
What I said:
1) I try not to roar out opinions when I know I don't have the knowledge to back it up
2) I'm ignoring politics because I think
I, not anything else, just me, wouldn't be able to accomplish much and there are fields out there where I think I could accomplish a lot so I'd much rather put my efforts into those.
What you seem to have read:
"There's nothing I can do about anything in the entire world and I'm going to ignore it all so I can continue to live in my safe, protective bubble where nothing ever goes wrong"
I'm not there yet at all but I plan to actually get off my ass and try to help animals. Started some volunteer work today but I mean to make a profession out of it. I try to improve myself so I'm nicer, more understanding etc. to the people around me and any person I meet (even on the internet... the biggest challenge of all frustrating people you'd like to strangle). Like I said I'm not there yet but I think in a couple of years I'll be able to say that I'm a good person and helping the "world". Right now I'm pretty decent. I'm basically doing what you said you'd like people to do. So for you to say I'd rather "keep my mouth shut about it and just ignore" things, even though I never said anything in that vein, is insulting.
I never actually said that about you Chronic, perhaps your reading something that wasnt there ? If I did, it was not my intention to insult you......
When you said... "Like I said I'm not there yet but I think in a couple of years I'll be able to say that I'm a good person and helping the "world". Right now I'm pretty decent. I'm basically doing what you said you'd like people to do"..... I think that's a bit of a shame you think like that, because I think the only thing stopping you from saying you are a good person or actually believing you are a good person is yourself. Don't think you have to change the world to be a good person, most of us are deep down inside, and it just takes a bit of recognition to build it up and let it bloom into the outside part of your life
The thing is
you're being arrogant. You've confirmed it before, the evidence you have is very compelling but it's not conclusive. Yet, time and time again, you call people blind when they present you with some constructive criticism.
Now I'm not really insulted by anything you said and I don't really think you're arrogant but you should read over these threads and I think you'll see that this entire discussion is not about Obama, it's not about Iraq, the other threads weren't about secret societies, 9/11, it's all about you presenting a fairly "provocative" outlook and people challenging your
arguments, not your
opinions. And any time we challenge your argument, you assume our opinions are the polar-opposite of yours.
Thats a fair enough call, but it's was never my intention to make it about me buddy, it never has been. It seems that way becuase I I passionate like you say, and do take it seriously, so when people attack me for having these views I'm not just going to sit back and go, oh well, thankyou come again.
This is genuine advice, not some backhanded bullshit. I don't know you, I don't know what you know but judging by your posts I made some assumptions...
You became aware of certain things and it was a profound revelation. Then you realized pretty much everyone is either contributing to the issues or caught up in them. It seemed like almost everyone's crazy, except for you. You gained a strong desire to change things and inform people.
Whether it's politics, animal rights, human rights, female rights, gay rights, world hunger, pollution, abortion, lack of religious faith among 21st century people, the worldwide genocide of grass, any person who is made aware of these things in a profound way has a similar reaction. And one of those things is that you start to see "the enemy". And any person who disagrees with anything you say becomes that enemy. I'm not saying you're a conspiracy nut. But within your area of interest, people who do not control themselves, automatically become conspiracy nuts. Every person who makes such a realization is in danger of becoming radical, because of the significance those thoughts have to you. That's just human nature. It's not about what you believe, it's how you believe it. If it has a profound importance to you you're willing to go very far.
To use an analogy: Before you were on one side of the fence and didn't realize there was another side. Someone pushed you over the fence and you realized how great the other side was and never wanted to go back. The problem a lot of people have is they stay on the new side of the fence and never look back. There's insight to be gained from having been on both sides of the fence. And you need to be able to jump back and forth between them when necessary because staying on either side of the fence for too long is bad. You need a view of both sides.
I see what your saying, I do not think everyone is crazy just becuase they have not learnt or seen what I have, that, would be crazy. I mean half my family members don't want to hear much about it, but hey I still love them for who they are, its just frustrating, but we all have our own way to live and thoughts to give.
I understand your defensive reaction but given the importance of the matter I think you'll appreciate it when I say you need to remember the goal at hand. It's not about you, it's about the message. Within these threads you made it about you. These discussions will keep happening and you'll continue to get pissed off. So it's important to be able to pull yourself away from it. Hold off posting until you've calmed down etc.
You shouldn't just learn from the mistakes of people who aren't aware, you should learn from the mistakes of people who are aware. Ask yourself why people don't take people who spread these type of messages seriously. I think you've answered part of one side of the coin with things like "i
t seems a lot of people actually make the decision to turn a blind eye so their current lifestyle does not get affected or changed from what they are used to" (if you haven't already you should draw this further to the core of our nature, it affects just about every moment of our lives) but what about the other? People often only offer bits and pieces of information (usually because that's all they have), taken from
suspicious sites/videos/testimonies, lack the insight to form credible opinions and have an incredibly condescending attitude. Make sure you don't present yourself as or even become one of those people. It's the natural progression for stuff like this if you don't be careful. If you don't scrutinize the "new" sources of information as much as you do the "old" ones.
And remember that although you may be aware of certain things others aren't you're not aware of much more. You can accuse me of being a zombie of society. I can accuse you of being a meat-eater (assuming you eat meat). We can both be accused of polluting, consumerism, materialism (lets be honest
) and the list goes on and on. For every person you can accuse there's someone to accuse you. I actually haven't experienced it yet but if I find myself being pissed off at an individual for eating meat I'll know I'm not really pissed off at that person, I'm just projecting my anger. And the feeling I'd get of them being blind would be misplaced.
So I think you don't really have the right to tell anyone they're foolish
and an understanding approach always helps with relaying the message.
When people talk to me the way they do, I will call them what I want Chronic, and yes it is my right to do so, sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree.
No I am not a meat eater, If you listened to what I said, I told you I have compassion for animals, ever since I was very young. How can I have compassion for animals and still pay for them to be slaughtered ?
The reason I post the way I do, with little bits of info here and there is purposeful, and to get people doing the research themselves. I'm sure you know how much MORE valuable that is to someone, than just handing them all the answers.
I wanted to write something better but I'm tired and hope you get the gist. I don't like your approach at all but I respect what you're trying to do. Just make sure direct these feelings towards all the positive goals and make sure it never becomes about trying to satisfy your anger, rather than trying to do good.
