Dipset

[PuffnScruff]

Co-sign Rukas on the rap music industry. Puff, you are living in the 90s and early 2000s. Rap records don't sell like they used to.

I like Dipset, they are entertaining and have good, catchy songs. They have fallen off lately and with the conflict, it looks like all we can rely on is solo efforts.

obviously they aren't selling like they used too. i wrote a whole paper on the issue for a class. the decline in rap music sales wasn't even the point.

the point was that the industry as a whole isn't changing their standards just because rap music isn't selling like they used too, are in a constant state of decline in sales, and what used to be one of the top money makers for the industry has now gone down to the bottom.

rukas can have an opinion that differs from mine and say i am wrong all he wants. i am basing my opinion not only by the obvious but from talking to teachers i had in school that had decades of experience in the industry working with the biggest labels and biggest names, which some still do, (including artists that we all listen to and own albums), guest lecturerers from top people in the business side and production side, and friends that i graduted with that currently work for majors.

you really think the industry is going to change their standards when it comes to record sales and what units being sold constitute being a huge success just because the sales of one genre, rap, are free falling worse than the japanese stock market and is doing the worst out of the other genres? lol no. sure sales from all genres are in the decline, with the exception of country music but selling gold records hasn't been a big deal for a really long time and are not going to go back to being that way. the majors still expect artists to go platinum, especially when it comes to new up coming artists that are getting a huge push and ones that have made a name for themselves. if they didn't they wouldn't be pushing that same formula that used to work 10 years, but has seem to be not working in recent years. nothing in the mainstream rap music has changed put the majors still push the same stuff out there with the same marketing forumlas all while they wonder why their sales suck. there have only been a few exceptions with the likes of kanye west.

 

[S O F I]

obviously they aren't selling like they used too. i wrote a whole paper on the issue for a class. the decline in rap music sales wasn't even the point.

the point was that the industry as a whole isn't changing their standards just because rap music isn't selling like they used too, are in a constant state of decline in sales, and what used to be one of the top money makers for the industry has now gone down to the bottom.

rukas can have an opinion that differs from mine and say i am wrong all he wants. i am basing my opinion not only by the obvious but from talking to teachers i had in school that had decades of experience in the industry working with the biggest labels and biggest names, which some still do, (including artists that we all listen to and own albums), guest lecturerers from top people in the business side and production side, and friends that i graduted with that currently work for majors.

you really think the industry is going to change their standards when it comes to record sales and what units being sold constitute being a huge success just because the sales of one genre, rap, are free falling worse than the japanese stock market and is doing the worst out of the other genres? lol no. sure sales from all genres are in the decline, with the exception of country music but selling gold records hasn't been a big deal for a really long time and are not going to go back to being that way. the majors still expect artists to go platinum, especially when it comes to new up coming artists that are getting a huge push and ones that have made a name for themselves. if they didn't they wouldn't be pushing that same formula that used to work 10 years, but has seem to be not working in recent years. nothing in the mainstream rap music has changed put the majors still push the same stuff out there with the same marketing forumlas all while they wonder why their sales suck. there have only been a few exceptions with the likes of kanye west.

Rukas clearly means rap industry standards. If you agree that there is a rap industry for rappers where we don't care how much a Celine Dion or Bob Dylan record sells, but how much a rap record sells. By that assumption, selling 500,000 is considered success by the artists, but like you said, not by the majors. But, so what? You have to look at things relatively here. Sales for rap records have been in decline, I am not sure about the whole industry as a whole. There are many factors, file-sharing one of them.

Fuck a major label expectation. Their expectations haven't changed, which is unintended suicide. You put pressure on rappers to release these supposedly party records, but they end up flopping.

I wanted to cry when I heard the interview where Lil Wayne said that he's made a bunch of tracks, and it's up to Universal to pick which ones are on the album.

Are you shitting me? Some old white idiot executive is going to know what's a good and what's a bad lil wayne song? Hopefully we get another true drought after the album and get the unreleased shit.

 

[ChrisZimbo]

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[Rukas]

rukas can have an opinion that differs from mine and say i am wrong all he wants. i am basing my opinion...

LOL dude, I did not give you an opinion, I gave you cold hard sales figures, I gave you facts, thats not an opinion.

But whatever, be stubborn all you want. And you know daaamn well we were talking about hiphop sales figures so I dont even see why youre backtracking and talking about other genres. And for the record, sales ARE down across the board anyway.

Back to topic, what happened with Max B and Jim Jones? Why are they beefing now?

 

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You're a very one-dimensional rap fan.

Who are your top 5 MCs in the game right now that you listen to the most?

Yeah you say that cause I don't listen to Dipset and I don't keep an ear out for "catchy" songs? Fuck outta here mannnnnnnn.

 

[S O F I]

Yeah you say that cause I don't listen to Dipset and I don't keep an ear out for "catchy" songs? Fuck outta here mannnnnnnn.

You didn't answer my question man.

 

[linx]

You didn't answer my question man.

The top 5 I listen to most? I don't know. You know i'm a big Joe Budden fan. Nas, Az, Common, Ghostface, Saigon.. but that's not really any kind of list or anything. Just a few rappers off the top of my head.

And you know regardless of my opinion, I don't care what you listen to.. lol. We're 2 different people. I'm just not a big commercial rap fan. That whole make a catchy song over a catchy beat shit ain't what Hip Hop is about to me. But i'm not a huge die hard underground "fuck everything radio" type of dude either. I do think commercial radio is defined by corperate idiots though. We have 2 different tastes and that's cool with me. :thumb:

 

[Rukas]

Saigon shouldnt be allowed on anybody's top anything until he drops an album. AZ was dope but anything past Aziatic is not impressive and hes always been too similar to Nas to step out of his shadow. Nas is hit and miss, he has done a LOT more bullshit music than Dipset in his career (oh how easy you forget!). Buddens is alright but isnt top yet he hasnt proved his longevity. Ghost and Common; ok, dope.

 

[Lil KaMiKaZe]

Im sorry but you are plain wrong, you're still living in the late 90s early 2000s if that is how you think the industry thinks and is.

Major artists are not going multiplatinum anymore, 1million sold is once again an achievement. Only the likes of Eminem or Dr. Dre would go multiplat, and even now if Em dropped he would probably only sell 3million if that, probably closer to 2 to be honest.

50 Cent hasnt even cracked 2 million with his last album he went about 1.4million. TI's last album went platinum, that is it. Soulja Boy, perhaps the most mainstream artist out there right now, has only sold 873,656 copies worldwide.

NOBODY is doing huge numbers right now like you say so you are really mistaken with how the game works right now. Albums are BARELY creeping into platinum status, and Gold is the new Platinum. 2 Million makes you a fucking phenomenon like Kanye West right now and buys you the most expensive tour EVER. Right now Kanye is acting like he's gone diamond and thats how the label and industry is treating him but he's barely done 2 million world wide.

Now to make up that money the majors are losing from the sales because random shit just isnt selling 3million units anymore off of one hot single like it used to, labels are forced to recoup their loses through ringtones and other bullshit like that, which is the reason music is so fucked up right now.

So Jim Jones sold half as many records as say TI, but probably made 3 times as much money. Not to mention the fact that his Ballin single made CRAZY money.

The music industry really is a lot different right now than you seem to think.

that's right...i think it's because of internet now....


i'm not really a fan of dipset,but i can listen to one or 2 songs...but i get bored quick,i can't listen to a full album...

 

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Saigon shouldnt be allowed on anybody's top anything until he drops an album. AZ was dope but anything past Aziatic is not impressive and hes always been too similar to Nas to step out of his shadow. Nas is hit and miss, he has done a LOT more bullshit music than Dipset in his career (oh how easy you forget!). Buddens is alright but isnt top yet he hasnt proved his longevity. Ghost and Common; ok, dope.

I agree with what you said about Saigon. But like I said, I wasn't making any kind of "top" list. I was just naming him as a rapper I listen to and like as an artist.

And Az IS dope. Not was. He's in nobodys shadow. Some people may compare him to Nas because they've done alot of shit together, but any real Hip Hop head knows Az is a dope rapper who's been pretty consistent through out his career. He has plenty of dope songs and a few good/great albums. He also has a few that aren't so great, as do many of the great rappers.

Nas now a days IS kind of hit or miss. I'll give you that. He's still one of the dopest to me though. Until he starts putting out garbage time and time again or he's done with the rap game, he's gonna be up there for me.

Budden to me is just riduclous. But i'm not gonna get into that again.

Ghost and Common I knew you'd agree with. They've had good, consistant careers.

Either way all of these artists are much, much better than Dipset as far as artists go AND as far as making music goes.

 

[masta247]

Dipset artists are not consistent at all but they had a few nice tracks. They're not about intelligent lyrics so that's probably why it's not your taste but they had some nice, entertaining tracks. And no I don't mean stupid dumb modern rap tracks, they had a few really nice songs with nice beat and nice flow - especially Cam'ron and Juelz imo. They were cool at times tho I have to agree that most of their songs are wack but they had nice, really entertaining ones.

 

[EDouble]

Its fucked up sales down rap plus accross the board best thing to do with youve got angles is to do the independent; however youd have to assume shits not good for the industry there wont be the same drive people are gettin more selfish and or ignorant to how shit works daily by not buying records. being about the grind independiely can be seperated options only options but if the music falls completely out of mainstream & further duvalge into Pop it can turn to a big struggle for main stream success but then again its all in a cycle alot of shit can change w/ money just the same

 

[aloivas]

You won't find a bigger Dips fan than me...

00-05 Dipset = Wu-Tang in the mid 90's.

Now? Not so much.. and although Duke Da God's release is probably my favourite album this year, this is purely for nostalgia as it's all the unreleased and OG tracks from their peak.

maaann.. Diplomatic Immunity, SDE, Come Home With Me, Purple Haze, From me To U, On My Way To Church, More than Music vol 1, All those Dipset mixtapes, the first couple of Writer's Blocks.. truely was beautiful music. I'm gonna bump dipset all this week now cos of this thread.