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THEV1LL4N

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I can get the Galaxy S10 now on the following deal:

- £399 upfront, £23 per month (24 month contract)
- 1000 minutes, unlimited texts, 3GB data
- Free Galaxy Buds worth £129.
- £100 cashback via a third party website (offer ends today)


Justifications for purchasing this:
- I currently have 4GB but rarely use that much. 3GB should be fine
- Freebie
- £100 is generous

Reasons not to, or reasons to wait:
- Google Pixel 4 and other products?
- Maybe get a better deal in the Summer or around October/November?
- If Pixel 4 disappoints, wait for S11 which might be better or get S10 much cheaper near to the S11 launch.
- I'm currently on a £9/month sim-only deal
- I have a lot of outgoings over the next few months
- Maybe I should consider a good midrange or a much lower priced high-end Xiaomi or Huawei phone.

I'm probably being unrealistic in thinking that the Google Pixel 4 will make such a significant design improvement and value for money improvement. I really hope they adopt the hole-punch design and get rid of the notch altogether.

Also, is it possible to disable Bixby and remap the dedicated Bixby button to Google Assistant? This would be a big factor for me as I don't want to use Bixby if I were to purchase a Samsung phone.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Google just. dropped the price of the Pixel to $599 for the base model. $699 for the XL.

If the S10 drops in price in a few months after sales slow and Google does the same, again, to the Pixel 3, it might be worth looking in to. This is assuming that Google dropped the price because of the S10's release, which it's hard to believe they didn't, and hopefully they continue with the trend mirroring the S10's price.
 

Jokerman

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I'm waiting for the S11 (or something better) and 5G before I upgrade from an S5. The S10 offers nothing I need that the S5 does not give me. Only recently did I have to replace the battery on it, and now it's like new.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I'm waiting for the S11 (or something better) and 5G before I upgrade from an S5. The S10 offers nothing I need that the S5 does not give me. Only recently did I have to replace the battery on it, and now it's like new.

Are you ready for the cost of your monthly plan to go up by 15-20%, or more for 5G? 4G was an add-on, of some sort, to most carriers. Sprint was a $10 or $20 bump per month for 4G/LTE. At first, it was just for those that bought the HTC 4G EVO and used WiMax. Then when they rolled out LTE, everyone paid an LTE fee of $10 and that fee didn't go away until two years ago when Sprint scrapped contract plans. Then they just jacked up the price of plans and made you pay extra if you leased/flex paid a phone through them.

As fast as 5G may be, if the data caps stay at garbage 20GB or whatever the threshold is before you're bumped down from 4G to 2G or 3G currently, it doesn't sound like it'll be worth it. Nor will it be worth it you have to pay more to access 5G, regardless of a bandwidth or data cap.
 

THEV1LL4N

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What phones are the main competitors to the Samsung Galaxy S10?

Name some very good flagships at midrange prices, or phones that have very similar specs/design to the Galaxy S10 but at a much lower price.
 

Casey

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What phones are the main competitors to the Samsung Galaxy S10?

Name some very good flagships at midrange prices, or phones that have very similar specs/design to the Galaxy S10 but at a much lower price.
If I was in the market for a new premium phone right now, I would a million percent get the OnePlus 7 which is coming in either May or June.

You can get the 6T for about £499 right now, but the 7 will be one of the first phones widely available in the UK with a full edge-to-edge display.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Apple Card seems pretty interesting. I wonder if Google will step up its game with Google Pay. Google Wallet was originally a card that they sent you. I still have mine somewhere despite never using it.

I don't know why anyone would get the AirPods outside of a fashion statement. I guess it plays nice with iOs and Mac devices so it may have on less step to get them connected for convenience? And Apple was late to the party with the charging carry case. At $199, I think, I'd rather get those Jabras or the Bose wireless in-ears. I bet they sound much better.

Apple News+ is a weird thing. When I first heard about it and the $10 cost, I wondered why anyone would subscribe to a magazine individually instead of just reading it via News+ for $10 a month. I'll start my trial in a few days but I saw they had a few magazines I'm already subscribed to. I get those for free from surveys and never had to pay a cent to renew them since I just stack the offers, but $10 might be worth it if I can get the newspaper, as well. Apple lets you share the subscription with family so my dad and I can get the newspapers and my sister and I can get the magazines for far less than what we'd pay for the newspaper print subscription alone.

I know there's some caveats, like full articles may not be available from places like The WSJ but still...reading magazines on your iPad or Mac via the News app (which is much nicer than the Google News app for Android) seems like it would be a good thing.
 

masta247

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I've been away for a while!

So the S10 is decent (especially the S10E variant), but the camera hole in the screen is predictably criticized - the general conclusion is that the top of the screen is virtually useless due to it (you basically get a huge notification strip on top). The SD versions turned out to be better since the S8, but the Exynos in the S10 is closer behind.

The Galaxy Buds sound better than the Airpods and finally work as well - they are very similar to the headset that Samsung provided with the S8 and S9 (which are the best free buds), with an updated driver, and in a wireless format. Airpods 2 are still the same wireless Earpods, which are open and don't sound too good. I like the wireless charging addition on both, but the 5-hour battery life of the Galaxy Buds is disappointing. And of course they still sound like basic headphones, which isn't a big deal if you get them for free (after all they sound about the same as the S8/S9 bundled headphones but are now wireless), but is if you spend north of $100 to have them.

As for the OnePlus suggestions, while they are surely solid alternatives, these phones aren't without their cons. With the 6T they dropped the headphone jack, there's no wireless charging, and the Software isn't without its issues. That, the complicated service and occasional quality hiccups mean they are not up there with the flagships, but at this point they're imho priced too close to them. Who knows, the OnePlus 7 still might get priced more attractively. At this point, if you're on a budget, it's probably the best time to get something like the S9 at a good discount, as it's still more capable than the 6T and sometimes costs even less. Or even better:

The new budget Galaxy phones (A30/A40/A50) are absolutely amazing for the price, with the A50 being the phone of the year in my book. Who would have thought Samsung would dethrone the Pocophone as the budget king. You are basically getting an excellent upper mid-ranger with a high-res super amoled, fast chip, 4/6GB of RAM, thin bezels and all, except in a plastic case for ~$300-350:
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a50-9554.php

Heck, all of the above is also true for the $250 A30:
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a30-9579.php

You are getting like 70% of the S10 for 1/4 of the price.
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Also, it's a shame what happened with AirPower. Pricing was ridiculous but it would've been pretty nice for one, unified pad to charge all your wireless-charge compatible devices.

All that hype for some Apple fans and it goes out like that. I suppose the writing was on the wall, though, when it was delayed after it was announced for so long and Apple never brought it up again.
 

masta247

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To be fair to Apple, the new iPad Air is amazing and possibly the most sensible product they released in years.
I bought it for my girlfriend as a birthday gift the day it launched, so 2 days ago. With the A12 chip, it's going to last long years juding by how much faster it is than any other mobile processor - It actually feels like a true successor to the original Air.
It also has the 10.5 Pro's case, except lighter and without the camera bump. It's been updated in all areas that seriously matter and things it's missing compared to a pro don't matter on a tablet anyway imho (like camera flash or removal of the home button). It's also reasonably priced, making it a great value, since you're getting the newest iPhone internals and a large, great, laminated screen for half the price. I'm tempted to update as well as it feels like a true successor, but my now 6 year old original Air is still working great, lol.
 
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masta247

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Also, I grew to hate Android updates with a passion. So my S8 got Pie today and as expected, the moment I installed it the magical snappiness, buttery-smooth scrolling and super-quick app launches are gone. My phone went from feeling brand new and fancy to an aging device, for nothing, since Pie brought nothing new that matters much, except slowed down my phone. I feel pain whenever I scroll anything now, since the traditional stutters are here to stay. It's been exactly like that with my S6 and S4 with their second full Android updates, and my girlfriend's S7 and previous Xperia Z3 compact, and my Nexus 7 tablet back in the days. I have no idea why people actually look forward to Android updates for their phones these days.

Now Apple isn't much better, as iOS 11 did the same to my iPad Air. At least I give them props for trying to fix it with iOS12, despite it probably still not being as fast as iOS10 was.
I would much prefer if the makers just stopped pushing large updates as opposed to always pushing a shitty last one and going "oops, the update made your device shit, we can't suppor it anymore because it's apparently too slow!".
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Also, I grew to hate Android updates with a passion. So my S8 got Pie today and as expected, the moment I installed it the magical snappiness, buttery-smooth scrolling and super-quick app launches are gone. My phone went from feeling brand new and fancy to an aging device, for nothing, since Pie brought nothing new that matters much, except slowed down my phone. I feel pain whenever I scroll anything now, since the traditional stutters are here to stay. It's been exactly like that with my S6 and S4 with their second full Android updates, and my girlfriend's S7 and previous Xperia Z3 compact, and my Nexus 7 tablet back in the days. I have no idea why people actually look forward to Android updates for their phones these days.

Now Apple isn't much better, as iOS 11 did the same to my iPad Air. I would much prefer if the makers just stopped pushing large updates as opposed to always pushing a shitty last one.
iOS 12 runs fine on my Air. I haven't used it in a while but it runs fine.

Not like my Pro, though.

Android updates have been a joke since Marshmallow, honestly. From Marsh to Oreo now, I noticed zero changes. Just some odd bugs here and there and incrementally shit battery life that coincides with each major update.

I like shiny, new things like the S10 but even if the camera is better or screen is better, I'd appreciate the difference for all of a week or two before it becomes the "norm" and I start looking at what's coming out next.

As for the iPad, if Apple can continue to refine iOS for the iPad, I don't think they'll have a problem in blatantly ignoring their MacBook and iMac line and making the iPad the computer replacement they always wanted. So many students in college on r/iPad have switched from a laptop to an iPad with Pencil for note taking and media consumption. It might take a generation of students to get there, but aside from people who design or game extensively, many are looking at the iPad as an alternative. At least for education usage.

From the cursory glances of the headlines that I've read, the internals are basically an iPad Pro but the screen doesn't have that 120hz refresh rate. It's not a big deal but it's noticeable when scrolling and multitasking. But it does seem to be a bargain. Did Samsung announce a new Tab last month during their event? Was it another underpowered disappointment, like most Android tablets of the lat 5 years have been?
 

masta247

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From the cursory glances of the headlines that I've read, the internals are basically an iPad Pro but the screen doesn't have that 120hz refresh rate. It's not a big deal but it's noticeable when scrolling and multitasking. But it does seem to be a bargain. Did Samsung announce a new Tab last month during their event? Was it another underpowered disappointment, like most Android tablets of the lat 5 years have been?
The A12 is actually a significant improvement in terms of CPU performance (and battery efficiency, since it's a 7nm chip), and it's priced like the original Air was, not like the Pros, despite it not cutting any significant corners compared to what the Pros offer. It even has the Apple keyboard connectors for the 10.5 Apple keyboard and works with the Apple Pencil. It's also slimmer, as it doesn't have the camera bump. Otherwise, they basically updated the Pro 10.5 and decided to price it very fairly considering the internals. I think it's an excellent product with a lot of longevity in it. The A12 is an amazing chip.

Yeah, iOS12 was a good attempt to fix what they broke with 11. I still feel like 10 worked somewhat better on the original Air though.

And Samsung tablets are plain stupid at this point. They are priced like the premium iPads, run old or mid-range processors (the newest Galaxy Tab has less than a fourth of the iPad Air's performance, but costs more!) and run Android in an ecosystem that forgot that tablets even existed. Android tablets these days feel like slow, oversized Android phones with displays coming in aspect ratios that most apps don't even support. I would question the sanity of anyone getting a flagship Galaxy Tab. Frankly speaking, iPads have no competition in the tablet space - that's the one area where Apple's execution is nearly flawless and they have the whole market essentially for themselves for a good reason. Heck, that's also the only product category that Apple makes that's priced really well!
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I didn't realize the similarities were that similar. They did the 10.5" wrong, in my opinion, by just axing it and making the 11". Add Bendgate to the mix and it really seemed unnecessary. The only thing I envy is the USB-C port. Do the regular iPads have that now?
 

masta247

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I didn't realize the similarities were that similar. They did the 10.5" wrong, in my opinion, by just axing it and making the 11". Add Bendgate to the mix and it really seemed unnecessary. The only thing I envy is the USB-C port. Do the regular iPads have that now?
The new Air is basically an iPhone XS with a big-ass screen for half the price. It even has better sustained performance since the CPU doesn't throttle due to the better heat dissipation, and it's great since the A12 is an incredibly fast chip. Basically the Air has the newest iPhone on the inside, and the greatest designed (imho) iPad Pro on the outside, even slightly slimmed down. I have no idea how they're managing to price these iPads so competitively. Imho the new Air is the tablet to get from Apple, unless you already have the 10.5 Pro, in which case this isn't worth upgrading to unless you need the extra CPU performance. It's much cheaper than the 10.5 Pro was and a great deal for new buyers though. Imho the current Pros are inferior in quality, not as convenient to use, and cost twice the price, while hardly offering anything worth the extra cost, not to mention twice the price.

Why do you envy the USB-C port? I don't think it brings anything useful into the mix. You can actually quick charge the new air with the lightning cable. It's a reversible connector as well, it's safer and it's actually smaller than USB-C. The new Air even has the headphone jack, while the Pros don't!
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
The new Air is basically an iPhone XS with a big-ass screen for half the price. It even has better sustained performance since the CPU doesn't throttle due to the better heat dissipation, and it's great since the A12 is an incredibly fast chip. Basically the Air has the newest iPhone on the inside, and the greatest designed (imho) iPad Pro on the outside, even slightly slimmed down. I have no idea how they're managing to price these iPads so competitively. Imho the new Air is the tablet to get from Apple, unless you already have the 10.5 Pro, in which case this isn't worth upgrading to unless you need the extra CPU performance. It's much cheaper than the 10.5 Pro was and a great deal for new buyers though. Imho the current Pros are inferior in quality, not as convenient to use, and cost twice the price, while hardly offering anything worth the extra cost, not to mention twice the price.

Why do you envy the USB-C port? I don't think it brings anything useful into the mix. You can actually quick charge the new air with the lightning cable. It's a reversible connector as well, it's safer and it's actually smaller than USB-C. The new Air even has the headphone jack, while the Pros don't!

Apple may have changed something but with my Pro, you needed to buy a USB-C to Lightning cable as well as a higher Wattage charger plug in order to quick charge. The iPads still come with a 5W charger, or something, right?

But USB-C is the future, isn't it? Between my MBP, my XM3s, and hypothetical 2018 iPad Pro and future phone, it would all mean just one charger to use on the go. Wasn't that one of the big selling points of USB-C, in addition to transfer speeds? Unified charging?
 

masta247

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Apple may have changed something but with my Pro, you needed to buy a USB-C to Lightning cable as well as a higher Wattage charger plug in order to quick charge. The iPads still come with a 5W charger, or something, right?

But USB-C is the future, isn't it? Between my MBP, my XM3s, and hypothetical 2018 iPad Pro and future phone, it would all mean just one charger to use on the go. Wasn't that one of the big selling points of USB-C, in addition to transfer speeds? Unified charging?
They are bundled with a 15W charger, which I think is adequate, but not quick-charging. You need a higher wattage charger to quick charge, but you can do it over the Lightning cable. Considering that iPads last long years, they don't need to be charged frequently and the battery isn't replaceable, I would personally rather not shorten its lifespan by quick charging anyway.

USB-C being the future is relative and increasingly uncertain. I just built a PC last year with a brand new, flagship motherboard that has 8 USB-A ports and not a single USB-C port. It will probably last 8-10 years. The newest Surface devices and many modern laptops still are made exclusively with USB-A ports and not a single USB-C port. Not to even mention more mainstream and less premium products. An overwhelming majority of peripherals are still made with micro USB ports. Surely the most common device that people connect to their Type-C ports is the converter to USB-A, which is a major hurdle for the end users.
USB-C has been with us for 5 years now and after all that time it sees very little use outside of premium mobile device charging. My home and my office have 0 USB-C ports apart from some personal smartphones, and I'm yet to buy anything I could connect to my computer using a Type-C cable.

There are also severe issues with the implementation of the new USB standards that make them inferior or at times unsafe. Case in point, I had a power bank that was being charged by my phone whenever I connected it to my S8, not the other way around - something that could never happen with USB-A->MicroUSB. Then there are the cost issues. All in all, this leads to the current situation where a Dollar store Type-A-Micro cable costs $2 and is perfectly good (can't cause any harm and can even quick charge), while almost any sub $10 Type-C cable is literally a potential fire hazard. Additionally, for many stationary devices, the Type-C connector is too fragile, while the type-A connector is significantly more sturdy and can easily sustain hanging cables or heavier peripherals (which is one of the reasons you also won't see Type-C connectors in server motherboards). Also, each pin on any USB-C cable is much thinner and more fragile not only than the pins on the USB-A cable but also on the MicroUSB cables (which have fewer significantly thicker pins which are still harder to bend or otherwise damage). Not to even mention that MicroUSB ports and connectors are also smaller and thinner, allowing them to be installed in smaller devices.

I suspect USB-A will be with us for a very long time. Even granted the Type-C connector is here to stay and serve all future USB iterations, and that the future USB versions (like 4.0) support only Type-C, I expect that even in 10 years the majority of USB ports out there in the wild will still not be Type-C. The recent USB standards are a mess, the implementations are horrible and frankly, 99% of use cases don't call for the extra speed, considering the significant extra cost. Making this an omnidirectional standard also provides little benefit in most use cases, yet causes confusion and potential for device malfunction.

The fact that USB 3.0+ is not a standard anymore and more like a list of suggestions means that in reality there are gazillions of different ports, cables and power delivery standards that can work with the other device over Type-C, but don't have to (up to the manufacturer's implementation). you need to check which standards each device and port supports - some can only charge, some can only be charged, some can do both (sometimes in wrong directions), some can do thunderbolt, some charge with power delivery, some with quick charge, some with other proprietary quick charging standards. Some ports/devices using Type-C are still USB 2.0, some are 3.0, some are 3.1 v1, some are 3.1 v2, some are 3.2, and then you realize that 3.0 and 3.1 v1 are the exact same thing, and 3.1v2 and 3.2 v1 are the exact same thing, except their names are different and sometimes they don't play well with each other, dropping to 3.0 speeds or slower. Then you need a proper cable, because despite having the same connectors, each USB-C cable is internally different and capable of supporting different protocols and power. It's incredibly confusing. There ARE universal cables that support power delivery to its full potential, USB 3.1v2 and Thunderbolt at the same time, but they are very expensive to make, nobody would pay for them, and therefore hardly anyone even makes them, meaning in most cases you need to know what standards your cable supports and whether it's even safe to use with your devices.

I think the original idea behind USB 3.1 and the Type-C connector was great, but the implementation is horrible. Personally, the only thing I like about the Type-C connectors is that they are reversible, but Apple already did that right with the Lightning cable, which also comes with much smaller connectors and ports.
 
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THEV1LL4N

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To be fair to Apple, the new iPad Air is amazing and possibly the most sensible product they released in years.
I bought it for my girlfriend as a birthday gift the day it launched, so 2 days ago. With the A12 chip, it's going to last long years juding by how much faster it is than any other mobile processor - It actually feels like a true successor to the original Air.
It also has the 10.5 Pro's case, except lighter and without the camera bump. It's been updated in all areas that seriously matter and things it's missing compared to a pro don't matter on a tablet anyway imho (like camera flash or removal of the home button). It's also reasonably priced, making it a great value, since you're getting the newest iPhone internals and a large, great, laminated screen for half the price. I'm tempted to update as well as it feels like a true successor, but my now 6 year old original Air is still working great, lol.
Wasn't this the same device that would bend really easily? For instance, if you stored it in your backpack.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
They are bundled with a 15W charger, which I think is adequate, but not quick-charging. You need a higher wattage charger to quick charge, but you can do it over the Lightning cable. Considering that iPads last long years, they don't need to be charged frequently and the battery isn't replaceable, I would personally rather not shorten its lifespan by quick charging anyway.

USB-C being the future is relative and increasingly uncertain. I just built a PC last year with a brand new, flagship motherboard that has 8 USB-A ports and not a single USB-C port. It will probably last 8-10 years. The newest Surface devices and many modern laptops still are made exclusively with USB-A ports and not a single USB-C port. Not to even mention more mainstream and less premium products. An overwhelming majority of peripherals are still made with micro USB ports. Surely the most common device that people connect to their Type-C ports is the converter to USB-A, which is a major hurdle for the end users.
USB-C has been with us for 5 years now and after all that time it sees very little use outside of premium mobile device charging. My home and my office have 0 USB-C ports apart from some personal smartphones, and I'm yet to buy anything I could connect to my computer using a Type-C cable.

There are also severe issues with the implementation of the new USB standards that make them inferior or at times unsafe. Case in point, I had a power bank that was being charged by my phone whenever I connected it to my S8, not the other way around - something that could never happen with USB-A->MicroUSB. Then there are the cost issues. All in all, this leads to the current situation where a Dollar store Type-A-Micro cable costs $2 and is perfectly good (can't cause any harm and can even quick charge), while almost any sub $10 Type-C cable is literally a potential fire hazard. Additionally, for many stationary devices, the Type-C connector is too fragile, while the type-A connector is significantly more sturdy and can easily sustain hanging cables or heavier peripherals (which is one of the reasons you also won't see Type-C connectors in server motherboards). Also, each pin on any USB-C cable is much thinner and more fragile not only than the pins on the USB-A cable but also on the MicroUSB cables (which have fewer significantly thicker pins which are still harder to bend or otherwise damage). Not to even mention that MicroUSB ports and connectors are also smaller and thinner, allowing them to be installed in smaller devices.

I suspect USB-A will be with us for a very long time. Even granted the Type-C connector is here to stay and serve all future USB iterations, and that the future USB versions (like 4.0) support only Type-C, I expect that even in 10 years the majority of USB ports out there in the wild will still not be Type-C. The recent USB standards are a mess, the implementations are horrible and frankly, 99% of use cases don't call for the extra speed, considering the significant extra cost. Making this an omnidirectional standard also provides little benefit in most use cases, yet causes confusion and potential for device malfunction.

The fact that USB 3.0+ is not a standard anymore and more like a list of suggestions means that in reality there are gazillions of different ports, cables and power delivery standards that can work with the other device over Type-C, but don't have to (up to the manufacturer's implementation). you need to check which standards each device and port supports - some can only charge, some can only be charged, some can do both (sometimes in wrong directions), some can do thunderbolt, some charge with power delivery, some with quick charge, some with other proprietary quick charging standards. Some ports/devices using Type-C are still USB 2.0, some are 3.0, some are 3.1 v1, some are 3.1 v2, some are 3.2, and then you realize that 3.0 and 3.1 v1 are the exact same thing, and 3.1v2 and 3.2 v1 are the exact same thing, except their names are different and sometimes they don't play well with each other, dropping to 3.0 speeds or slower. Then you need a proper cable, because despite having the same connectors, each USB-C cable is internally different and capable of supporting different protocols and power. It's incredibly confusing. There ARE universal cables that support power delivery to its full potential, USB 3.1v2 and Thunderbolt at the same time, but they are very expensive to make, nobody would pay for them, and therefore hardly anyone even makes them, meaning in most cases you need to know what standards your cable supports and whether it's even safe to use with your devices.

I think the original idea behind USB 3.1 and the Type-C connector was great, but the implementation is horrible. Personally, the only thing I like about the Type-C connectors is that they are reversible, but Apple already did that right with the Lightning cable, which also comes with much smaller connectors and ports.

lol wow, so much praise for Apple's way of implementing things.

As for Fast Charge, I thought you enabled it on both your Galaxies because you didn't care about the deterioration, or thought it would be minimal over time?

I get the confusion around USB-C since it was supposed to be the standard but turns out it has no standard.

But is that really an issue if you buy first party cables from OEMs? Like a Samsung or Apple USB-C cable? Or even a reputable third party, like Anker or Monoprice?
 

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