This is my thread

[ARon]

Ah that sucks. So they torment the black players too, then? I figured it would be Europeans fighting with each other because of history from like..the 1800s. French and Germans, Serbs and whoever..... But Blacks get it there too, as well as in the US. Weird.

What Pittsey it talking about is the U21 game between England and Serbia. It was about black England players being targeted by the Serbs. Here is a vid of waht happened.

http://www.footytube.com/video/serbia-u21-england-u21-oct16-135715?ref=tchan_ov_vidgrid


Then I think it's fair to say that Black players are always the targets of racism.

Here is a good vid ESPN did on the suject, it's pretty old but stil shows some of it.

I've been to games in the US even when someone threw a banana at this black player. He got kicked out immediately and had shit thrown at him but still. That stuff happens quite commonly in Europe and Russia.

This was a big concern during the past Euros in Poland and Ukraine. FIFA has a zero tolerance policy and handed down some fines but it won't change anything. The clubs and nations say it's just a select few individuals and say they distance themselves from those individuals but it's not true at all.

Here are some more vids of it happening

Eto'o

Cisse

It's bad.

Can anyone explain why it's so bad in Spain and Italy as well?

 

[masta247]

And... Now... Poland...! Why have a roof on your stadium and refuse to close it when it is pissing down with rain? Looks like the match will be abandoned...!

Yeah, it's the no.1 topic here now. Really I have no idea what they were thinking.

 

[Flipmo]

Bad day for Serbs all around in footy. That whole U21 fiasco in Krusevac (hillbilly city really), and their national team losing 1 - 0 to the Macedons.

So what do us scumbag Croats do? We troll them.

http://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/ma...ove-srbija-se-oprasta-od-brazila-/642092.aspx
Picture 3-4-5.

 

[Flipmo]

What Pittsey it talking about is the U21 game between England and Serbia. It was about black England players being targeted by the Serbs. Here is a vid of waht happened.



Then I think it's fair to say that Black players are always the targets of racism.

Here is a good vid ESPN did on the suject, it's pretty old but stil shows some of it.

I've been to games in the US even when someone threw a banana at this black player. He got kicked out immediately and had shit thrown at him but still. That stuff happens quite commonly in Europe and Russia.

This was a big concern during the past Euros in Poland and Ukraine. FIFA has a zero tolerance policy and handed down some fines but it won't change anything. The clubs and nations say it's just a select few individuals and say they distance themselves from those individuals but it's not true at all.
It's bad.

Can anyone explain why it's so bad in Spain and Italy as well?

For those who don't know footy, there are long traditions with certain clubs, many politically involved traditions. Lazio is a right-wing club, even extreme right winged to an extent, not surprising since it used to be Mussolini's favourite club. And believe it or not, many people in Italy still think Mussolini is the last politician that actually did Italy good.

That said, I met a few Lazio supporters here, and let me tell you - they are fucked up. It's not even that they don't like Blacks, they're even sketchy with non-Italians. One of them was telling me how he shit on some Belgian guy for supporting Lazio because "these Belgian fucks have nothing to do with us, they're not Italian". They're club purists.
If it was up to them they'd probably only want players signed from the region of Lazio, but that's impossible so they have to accept those of other Euro nations.

This mentality goes with many Europeans clubs that have more than 100 years of tradition. Keep in mind, England still has it's own shit these days. It's gotten a lot better since the 80s, but there are still scum in the stands. Listen to some chants when clubs play Tottenham (considered a 'Jew club') for example. You'll hear some anti-antisemitism. Just last season I think there were some issues with it.

People always explain that you don't see these kinds of things in the USA. You do see it, it's rare, but it happens. Another reason I'd say is simply, you guys have 300 years of history compared to Europe's 3000+ years. Obviously, footy isn't what it was say 500 years ago, but certain mentalities maintain with certain groups/ethnicities/socio-economic backgrounds. There are some old mentalities that have maintained in the USA to this day as well, the Puritan mentality still has a grasp on the USA, otherwise you wouldn't have freaks voting in the likes of Romney and co.

Some old mentalities are very hard to kill.

God do I hate Lazio though, Livorno as well, Communist scum of a club.

Keep in mind though, this shit doesn't happen regular basis. I'd say about 95% of footy fans are people that want what's best for the sport. The problem is that 5% make the loudest noise.

 

[ARon]

lmao. Croatians aren't innocent in this whole racism thing either though

 

[Flipmo]

lmao. Croatians aren't innocent in this whole racism thing either though

Not saying that we are innocent. We have our shit disturbers as well. What country doesn't.
I can find shit disturbers in any country, hell... England's ex-captain is a flat out racist cunt (John Terry if you're wondering)

It doesn't help that a lot of these toilet rags are uneducated/poor people that may have never seen a Black person in their lives, and whatever they do see - it's on TV.

 

[ARon]

Yeah I'm glad John Terry quit playing for England, but I know it's John Terry... I'm not saying in any way that any country doesn't have it's share of racism but from the games I've watched and the stories I've read Croatia has it's problems.

 

[Flipmo]

Yeah, we have our shit. Not as bad as it once was though.
I find it funny that the cameras are mostly on us Eastern Europeans. Western Europe has some goddamn crazies, Spain especially.

Edit: Rukas, fix the damn forum. I want to use Tapatalk, you lazy ass Pole.

 

[ARon]

Yeah that's what I was saying earlier. Black players are all over Italy and Spain but for some reason they're crazy racist towards them, even their own players. Lazio is a glaring example of that

 

[dilla]

Ah I gotcha. Football (soccer) culture is very foreign to me.

 

[S O F I]

I'm not excusing the behavior but I didn't hear any monkey noises. As far as fighting - hey lost in the 90th minute lol. Serbs fight when they lose, it's what we do. Same goes for Bosnians and Croats. If you haven't met a Bosnian/Serbian/Croat who didn't want to fight you after losing a close soccer or basketball game, you didn't meet a real Bosnian/Serbian/Croat.

 

[Flipmo]

There were monkey chants. There's another video in the crowd and you can hear em. Aside the point though.
Most Serbs aren't like this anyways.

 

[S O F I]

yeah, it's tough not to expect that behavior in a town of 50,000 surrounded by villages. still though, it's pathetic. I don't even think it's a good insult. I could think of plenty worse insults (I would consult Coonie on the matter, of course) to make Black people angrier.

 

[ARon]

Good insult or not it's got to be taxing on the player. Every time they're involved in play the chants start, I'd hate to experience that.

I love how Balotelli straight up told the media and subsequently every fan that if you throw a banana at him he will kill you haha. Imagine a Malice at the Palace at a soccer stadium. RIP to the players but the footage would be golden

 

[Flipmo]

Small places breed small minds. It's always been like that.

Monkey sounds are the general footy insult. Russians do it for anything relatively brown, like Mexicans or Brazilians.

 

[ARon]

I'm having an argument with my sister at the moment.

I said

"Would it be passé to ask a Mormon why he's so salty"

and she is telling me that's not funny. It's funny right? Right?!

 

[Pittsey]

England still has it's moronic supporters. But we have spent the last 30 years banning the thugs and the racists. The punishments are severe enough and we have developed as a country. If you are anti-race-abortion-gay rights-women rights in this country you are in the minority and frowned upon. England is a very forward thinking country, but we still have our morons.

In the 70s we would have behaved like the Serbs. But we have moved on very rapidly.

Italy and Spain are backwards countries. No offence, it's pretty much a fact. That is part of the reason they are struggling economically. Like Flipmo said, a lot of Western European countries are racist too. The most developed countries are Switzerland, Germany, France and parts of Scandanevia. But some of those countries still have problems with other creed and colours because it is new to them. They haven't had the 100s of years of integration.

 

[dilla]

I'm having an argument with my sister at the moment.

I said

"Would it be passé to ask a Mormon why he's so salty"

and she is telling me that's not funny. It's funny right? Right?!

I don't get it.....

 

[S O F I]

i don't get it either lol and I thought I was up-to-date on Mormon jokes.

 

[Flipmo]

Aron what in the blue fuck are you talking about.