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Da_Funk

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Yeah I'd like foreign university experience. That's all I'm saying. From what I hear from you guys it's not a great idea to get it at Canadian universities because it'd be a waste of a lot of money and master's degree there is not the best place to look for the university experience I'm looking for. I get it and accept it. University studies in north America are expensive for foreigners and I might not learn much so it's pointless.

What I'm saying now is that it's easier to get a more adequate job with local education, or so I've heard - even if I have the skills. I wouldn't want to go to the US or Canada and be a barista, or serve coffee and write scripts in a software company.
Well, that's not totally accurate. If you want a quality education, a good Canadian university is one of the best places on this planet to get it, and it will be recognized as such across the planet. Most of our big universities are considered ivy league. I don't know other type of university experience you're looking for? Getting drunk and laid? Frat parties? That's more of an 18-21 year old phase thing than a university experience I'd say. I'd look into jobs in your field and how qualified you'd be with your current education. Mostly because whatever education you have, is only a base on which you will build your skills during a career. I don't imagine Polish universities are THAT bad. But maybe they are, the polish guy in my office is a complete fuck head and it even pisses me off how creepy he is towards women.
 

masta247

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There are all kinds of universities here but mine is very good, it's the best private IT school in this part of Europe. It's that typical tech school with people really serious about skills, and so are most of my university friends so I kind of missed all of that "socializing" and doing cool things phase that people from "lighter" universities I know used to have. I feel like the last 4 years for me have been about sitting in front of my computer, either alone or with friends who do the same and when we would hang out together it was to work on a project together.
And yeah, I have skills needed to get any job in my field you can get straight out of university here, companies recognize my university too so I could get hired as junior IT project manager, system analyst or business IT system consultant here anywhere. I already have work experience, I used to work as an intern for that international tech company, probably best references you can get in IT since it's also the hardest to be picked as an intern there. Now I work on a project there, as a contractor because I still study. But I don't really like it there, since it feels even more rigid, and I'm kind of fed up with that specific work that I do. At some point I have also started working at my university. So yeah, I'm not a super-awesome expert at one thing but I've got what it takes to start anywhere here, I feel like companies wouldn't be so eager to offer equally good job opportunities abroad mainly because of my lack of experience (university or job) there, and because I'd be an "immigrant".

Now my situation is this: I have a few months till I'll get my B.Sc degree and then I could either immediately continue to get a M.Sc. degree (1,5 year) at my university, which would cost me about 8,000$ in total, (and that's the most expensive university here, because most are public and free) but I know that it's going to be "same old" for another 1,5 year. I really like my university and I've learned a lot but.. it's really highly skill-centered.
I could also go for Master's degree at some other European university, and those go for between 5k$ and 15k$ a year depending on the country I'd pick.
I could also go somewhere further, which is something I'd like to do the most because I'd really love to live in a totally new place for that time but it also looks like the most expensive option. I was considering North America, Japan, Hong Kong and Australia but they're all far more expensive for international students. That's why I'm thinking of my options now. What I know is, that after graduating from my university here I'd like to move to a different continent and live there for some time - whether it's North America or Asia. I'd like to try both actually. It's not really a reasonable quest of mine, it's more like something that I always wanted to do and I'd like to make it happen. Traveling is something that I love the most in life anyway.
 

Da_Funk

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Now my situation is this: I have a few months till I'll get my B.Sc degree and then I could either immediately continue to get a M.Sc. degree (1,5 year) at my university, which would cost me about 8,000$ in total, (and that's the most expensive university here, because most are public and free) but I know that it's going to be "same old" for another 1,5 year. I really like my university and I've learned a lot but.. it's really highly skill-centered.
I could also go for Master's degree at some other European university, and those go for between 5k$ and 15k$ a year depending on the country I'd pick.
I could also go somewhere further, which is something I'd like to do the most because I'd really love to live in a totally new place for that time but it also looks like the most expensive option. I was considering North America, Japan, Hong Kong and Australia but they're all far more expensive for international students. That's why I'm thinking of my options now. What I know is, that after graduating from my university here I'd like to move to a different continent and live there for some time - whether it's North America or Asia. I'd like to try both actually. It's not really a reasonable quest of mine, it's more like something that I always wanted to do and I'd like to make it happen. Traveling is something that I love the most in life anyway.
What I'd be asking is this: What does getting a M.Sc achieve? For most entry level positions they're pretty fucking useless I'd say. You don't have nearly enough work experience to be in a managerial type position, and as a consequence of that you likely don't posses the skills required for that type of position either. As an M.Sc is typically what qualifies you for the managerial positions, it's my feeling that all a M.Sc would do for you at the end of the day is over qualify you for an entry level position, which you do not want to do to yourself. Now, it's obvious that you DO posses a certain set of skills which are in high demand all over the world. As such, I would look into finding a job in a country that you would like to travel to. That way, instead of paying to travel, you get paid to travel. It is what I did. Now, I don't know what it is like in your field, but in my mine, if you get on with any half decent company and prove yourself, they will pay you to do a M.Sc because they want you to better yourself. And as you better yourself, obviously you better the company.
 

Pittsey

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I'm no demographer, but I think Toronto, LA and NYC are more diverse than London. Hell, throw Chicago in there too.
says who? and why not New York City?

and how does one even define that.

1. number of different ethnicities/nationalities living?
2. number of languages spoken?

etc.
Living in Canada, the most multi-cultural country in the world, I whole heartedly support Coonie's discrimination.
Let's start this discussion again. I have found another article that adds weight to my opinion that London is the most culturally diverse city in the World....!

http://www.economist.com/node/21557754?fsrc=scn/tw/te/ar/precariousbrilliance

In praise of the world’s most international city. If only the rest of Britain properly appreciated it

THIS is London’s year. In June the city put on damp but impeccably organised Diamond Jubilee celebrations; in July it hosts the Olympics. Barring terrorist attacks and transport disasters (not a small risk, given that the organisers are relying on public transport) the games should reinforce the city’s sense that it is on top of the world.
Yet London’s position is more precarious than it feels. The city’s success over the past quarter-century has been the consequence of historical accident and good policy. Now history is moving on, and the policymakers are messing up. They could tip the city into a decline without even noticing it, for the ecosystem of a great city is a complex and fragile thing.

De profundis
London has resisted Britain’s relative decline. While the country has slipped to seventh place in the league of world GDP, the capital is first, or second to New York, in most of the rankings of great cities. If it were not for London, Britain would be off the map for both businessmen and tourists.
It wasn’t always thus. After a boom in Victorian times, the city went into a decline from the beginning of the second world war. Bombing, the waning of manufacturing, the closure of the docks and government policies designed to reduce the city’s dominance were responsible. By the late 1980s the population had shrunk by a quarter.
Then things turned around again. It was probably in part the gravitational pull of a great city reasserting itself, but as ourspecial report in this issue explains, it was also the replacement of daft policies with good ones. In the 1970s the government stopped trying to push growth elsewhere; in the 1980s the Big Bang liberalised the financial-services industry and drew in workers and money from around the world. A convenient time zone and a language which imperialism had spread around the globe made it easy for foreigners to operate in the city. A trustworthy legal system and a clean polity made it a good place to do business. Excellent universities and private schools attracted young people and parents.
Thus globalisation, distilled and concentrated in London, turned the place into the world’s most international city. New York has as many foreign-born people as London—a bit more than a third—but its businesses look to America, whereas London’s look out to the world. And whereas New York’s immigrants are mostly huddled masses, London attracts the smart professionals and the stinking rich as well. Its elite is increasingly made up of foreigners, or the children of foreigners.
For Londoners, this has a downside. Per square foot, property in London is more expensive than anywhere except Monaco. While property prices in other capitals, and in the rest of Britain, have fallen during the economic crisis, demand for central-London property from emerging markets has pushed prices in the city up still further.
There is a larger upside. Partly because foreigners are better-qualified, younger and—according to surveys of employers—harder-working than the locals, and because of the flow of foreign money into the city, London’s economy has done much better than Britain’s in recent years. Value-added per head in London is now one-and-three-quarters what it is in the country as a whole; and, as a result, London subsidises the rest of the country to the tune of £15 billion ($23 billion) each year.
But there is a hitch. Although Britain lives off London, and London lives off foreigners, Britain does not much like foreigners. Out of people from six rich countries recently polled, Britons were the most hostile to immigration. And that is not because they see so many immigrants. London, which is one-third foreign-born, is far warmer towards them than the rest of the country, where only 8% like them. Nor is this simply because migrants favour migrants: even British-born white Londoners are friendlier to foreigners than other Britons.
Study "The Knowledge", our interactive guideto London's demography and economy
London also cannot determine its own future. Its mayor has few powers. It is ruled by the rest of the country, and by a Conservative prime minister brought up in the foreigner-free Berkshire countryside. Pressure on David Cameron from his right wing, and the rise of immigration up the list of voters’ concerns, has led him to promise to cut immigration to “tens of thousands” a year—a tough job, when net migration was 252,000 last year. Students’ right to work is being restricted, making study in Britain less affordable; acquiring business visas is becoming harder; getting family members into the country is increasingly difficult. The Labour Party’s attitude is much the same: last week its leader, Ed Miliband, said his party had “got it wrong” in allowing so much immigration.
Stay open to stay great
This is a great time for London, but its moment will inevitably pass. The accumulation of capital from the empire and the industrial revolution made the place prosper; and now, with the rise of the emerging markets, capital is accumulating elsewhere. Europe’s traumas, however they are resolved, will shape its future, either because it is bound more tightly into the continent, or, more likely, because it floats away from it.
Yet although the government cannot prevent the city’s relative decline, it can affect its speed. The cost of housing is not just a problem for Londoners, but also a tax on business. Higher property taxes, which are desirable on wider economic grounds, would cut demand for property as an investment or a second home. Allowing more development both on brownfield sites in the city and on the Green Belt encircling it would increase supply; though beloved by environmentalists and nimbys, the Green Belt pushes growth further into the south-east, thus damaging a larger area of countryside. Transport needs to be improved by investing in rail, widening congestion-charging and expanding airport capacity.
Most of all, Britain needs to stop discouraging foreigners from coming. London’s prosperity is built on its ability to attract the rich, the clever and the hard-working from all over the world. Anything that jeopardises the city’s internationalism endangers its future, and anything that jeopardises London endangers the country.
 

Pittsey

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Basically, London rocks. We are far richer, far more intelligent and far more tolerant than the rest of Britain. All while we ignore you and stare strangely if you try to make conversation....
 

S O F I

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Let's start this discussion again. I have found another article that adds weight to my opinion that London is the most culturally diverse city in the World....!

http://www.economist.com/node/21557754?fsrc=scn/tw/te/ar/precariousbrilliance

In praise of the world’s most international city. If only the rest of Britain properly appreciated it

THIS is London’s year. In June the city put on damp but impeccably organised Diamond Jubilee celebrations; in July it hosts the Olympics. Barring terrorist attacks and transport disasters (not a small risk, given that the organisers are relying on public transport) the games should reinforce the city’s sense that it is on top of the world.
Yet London’s position is more precarious than it feels. The city’s success over the past quarter-century has been the consequence of historical accident and good policy. Now history is moving on, and the policymakers are messing up. They could tip the city into a decline without even noticing it, for the ecosystem of a great city is a complex and fragile thing.

De profundis
London has resisted Britain’s relative decline. While the country has slipped to seventh place in the league of world GDP, the capital is first, or second to New York, in most of the rankings of great cities. If it were not for London, Britain would be off the map for both businessmen and tourists.
It wasn’t always thus. After a boom in Victorian times, the city went into a decline from the beginning of the second world war. Bombing, the waning of manufacturing, the closure of the docks and government policies designed to reduce the city’s dominance were responsible. By the late 1980s the population had shrunk by a quarter.
Then things turned around again. It was probably in part the gravitational pull of a great city reasserting itself, but as ourspecial report in this issue explains, it was also the replacement of daft policies with good ones. In the 1970s the government stopped trying to push growth elsewhere; in the 1980s the Big Bang liberalised the financial-services industry and drew in workers and money from around the world. A convenient time zone and a language which imperialism had spread around the globe made it easy for foreigners to operate in the city. A trustworthy legal system and a clean polity made it a good place to do business. Excellent universities and private schools attracted young people and parents.
Thus globalisation, distilled and concentrated in London, turned the place into the world’s most international city. New York has as many foreign-born people as London—a bit more than a third—but its businesses look to America, whereas London’s look out to the world. And whereas New York’s immigrants are mostly huddled masses, London attracts the smart professionals and the stinking rich as well. Its elite is increasingly made up of foreigners, or the children of foreigners.
For Londoners, this has a downside. Per square foot, property in London is more expensive than anywhere except Monaco. While property prices in other capitals, and in the rest of Britain, have fallen during the economic crisis, demand for central-London property from emerging markets has pushed prices in the city up still further.
There is a larger upside. Partly because foreigners are better-qualified, younger and—according to surveys of employers—harder-working than the locals, and because of the flow of foreign money into the city, London’s economy has done much better than Britain’s in recent years. Value-added per head in London is now one-and-three-quarters what it is in the country as a whole; and, as a result, London subsidises the rest of the country to the tune of £15 billion ($23 billion) each year.
But there is a hitch. Although Britain lives off London, and London lives off foreigners, Britain does not much like foreigners. Out of people from six rich countries recently polled, Britons were the most hostile to immigration. And that is not because they see so many immigrants. London, which is one-third foreign-born, is far warmer towards them than the rest of the country, where only 8% like them. Nor is this simply because migrants favour migrants: even British-born white Londoners are friendlier to foreigners than other Britons.
Study "The Knowledge", our interactive guideto London's demography and economy
London also cannot determine its own future. Its mayor has few powers. It is ruled by the rest of the country, and by a Conservative prime minister brought up in the foreigner-free Berkshire countryside. Pressure on David Cameron from his right wing, and the rise of immigration up the list of voters’ concerns, has led him to promise to cut immigration to “tens of thousands” a year—a tough job, when net migration was 252,000 last year. Students’ right to work is being restricted, making study in Britain less affordable; acquiring business visas is becoming harder; getting family members into the country is increasingly difficult. The Labour Party’s attitude is much the same: last week its leader, Ed Miliband, said his party had “got it wrong” in allowing so much immigration.
Stay open to stay great
This is a great time for London, but its moment will inevitably pass. The accumulation of capital from the empire and the industrial revolution made the place prosper; and now, with the rise of the emerging markets, capital is accumulating elsewhere. Europe’s traumas, however they are resolved, will shape its future, either because it is bound more tightly into the continent, or, more likely, because it floats away from it.
Yet although the government cannot prevent the city’s relative decline, it can affect its speed. The cost of housing is not just a problem for Londoners, but also a tax on business. Higher property taxes, which are desirable on wider economic grounds, would cut demand for property as an investment or a second home. Allowing more development both on brownfield sites in the city and on the Green Belt encircling it would increase supply; though beloved by environmentalists and nimbys, the Green Belt pushes growth further into the south-east, thus damaging a larger area of countryside. Transport needs to be improved by investing in rail, widening congestion-charging and expanding airport capacity.
Most of all, Britain needs to stop discouraging foreigners from coming. London’s prosperity is built on its ability to attract the rich, the clever and the hard-working from all over the world. Anything that jeopardises the city’s internationalism endangers its future, and anything that jeopardises London endangers the country.
while the economist is my bible when it comes to most matters, there's no way in hell i'd expect them to be objective about london. so, I take this article...and i wipe my ass with it. :D
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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Fucking kids and their lip these days

I'm right, as per usual. For example, just google "the most multi-cultural city in the world" almost all links list Toronto (a Canadian city).
Don't believe everything on google. I googled hottest women in the world, and it brought up Channing Tatum.
 

Casey

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i spend a LOT of time in both london and toronto.

i'd say london is probably more multi-cultural. but that's neither a positive or negative statement. i would much rather live in toronto though. except in the winter. fuck that.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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I was only joking really... The only reason I say London is more multi-cultural is because when you go to London, you rarely meet anyone English. Especially in Central London. I feel like I am on holiday when I am in Camden.
 

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