Non-Urban Music New Michael Jackson album!

#22
Great song this will be huge.

Akon did an amazing job of finalizing the production of the song. MJ's vocals sound flawless and yes its him 100% this time!

I just pre-ordered the album after hearing this.
 

Casey

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#23
Of the 10 tracks on the album, I have now heard 7 of them in full. the Estate really messed up this shit.

So here goes....

1.Hold My Hand (Duet with Akon)
Great song. Michael's heart and soul is all over this song. Beautiful track and I hope it is very successful. It's nice to have a finished version of this as opposed to the demo that leaked back in 2008, but I still can't shake the feeling that it would have been nice to have another "unheard" on this album being as the finished version isn't THAT much different to what we've already been listening to for the past two years.

2.Hollywood Tonight
This is the song that I purchased under the original title - "Do You Know/12 O'Clock". I don't know who made the call to change the name but it doesn't make sense for that to be the title. Still, I already have a completely uncompressed WAV of this song and it's amazing. Recorded in 1990 with Brad Buxer and Steve Lukather from Toto on guitar, this has the drum loop from Naughty By Nature's "OPP" which is ironic because of course "OPP" itself sampled the J5's "ABC". This is a deep song with a message about awareness of issues such as child abuse and prostitution. It's also funky and danceable.

EDIT - "Hollywood Tonight" is a new song and NOT the same as "Do You Know", so ignore all of the above.

3.Keep Your Head Up
Leaked in full, this is the first of the three "fake" songs from the Cascio family. By that I mean the songs that have questionable lead vocals, some real MJ backing vocals that have obviously been augmented with a Michael Jackson impersonator singing some of, if not all, of the lead vocals. Sony say the songs are real, the Jackson family say they are not, but what's clear is that these songs are absolutely NOT 100% MJ and have been heavily processed and edited to confuse and trick people. Even worse, they've added in sampled MJ breaths and adlibs from other songs to further confuse people. This song is the most ridiculous, because they added in adlibs from "Earth Song". All of a sudden, towards the end of the song..... "WHAATTTT ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!!!" lol..... just a complete joke. I'm very upset about the way this has all gone down. But aside from all that? It's a nice enough song, but it's not Michael.

4. (I Like) The Way You Love Me
Unless this is a different song with the exact same title - this was already released on "The Ultimate Collection" box set in 2004. Way to go, Sony. It's a bonafide MJ classic for sure.....but it's already been released.

5. Monster (Featuring 50 Cent)
A clip has leaked, and just like the other Cascio songs, it doesn't sound like Michael. Can't say anything else being as the full song isn't out yet.

6. Best Of Joy
So far unheard and unleaked.

7. Breaking News
The first song that Sony uploaded and streamed on MichaelJackson.com. Not Michael. See #3.

8. (I Can’t Make It) Another Day (Featuring Lenny Kravitz)
A clip of this leaked last year and the full version just leaked in the last couple of days. It's the original version of "Storm" that was ultimately released with just Lenny and Jay-Z. The original song was recorded by Lenny and MJ in the Invincible sessions and Lenny has reworked it for this new album. It's a great song, we have already heard the vast majority of it though so that diminishes the excitement somewhat.

9. Behind The Mask
The most interesting track on the album to me with a long history. Originally released in 1980 by the Yellow Magic Orchestra from Japan, Quincy Jones played it to Michael during the Thriller sessions. Michael loved it so much that he wrote some words and melodies to it, but ultimately could never work out a deal with Yellow Magic Orchestra to release it. However, MJ's keyboard player Greg Phillinganes recorded the lead vocals himself and released it as a single from his album. A few years later, Greg was working with Eric Clapton, and Eric also recorded and released a version of the song. Unless the song has been remixed, which doesn't seem likely, the MJ version is likely identical to Greg's version but with Michael singing. Look forward to this one.

10. Much Too Soon
Leaked in full. A nice, simple, airy MJ ballad. Nothing spectacular, but a nice closer to the album.


VERDICT:

Sony dropped the ball big time on this project, at least as far as any serious Michael Jackson fan is concerned. Perhaps the general public won't give a shit about questionable songs, or won't give a shit about songs that people have already been listening to for years, but I thought the Estate and Sony would at least throw a bone to the hardcore fans.

I felt at least one or two of the following known unreleased MJ songs would have been on here:

Xscape
Blue Gangsta
Strawberry Fields Forever (Beatles cover MJ recorded in 1989)
A Place With No Name
Bottle of Smoke
Bassouile
Buffalo Bill
Eaten Alive
Get Around
Hot Street
Men In Black
Serious Effect

...and those are only a fraction of the finished, known unreleased songs to exist. There's literally dozens more, and yet the Estate went with fake songs and stuff that's already been released.

It's a shame, but hopefully it won't be too long before we get another album, and hopefully it'll be a lot better than this one.
 

Casey

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#24
EDIT - Now someone else is saying that "Hollywood Tonight" is NOT the same as "Do You Know" but is another unheard song with the alleged following lyrics:

"Lipstick in hand

Tahitian tanned

In her painted on jeans

She dreams of fame

She changed her name

To one that fits the movie screen

She’s headed for the big time, that means

She’s going Hollywood

She’s going Hollywood tonight

She’s going Hollywood

She’s going Hollywood tonight

She’s going Hollywood

She’s going Hollywood tonight

It’s true, that you, may never ever have that chance again
I'll be happy if this is true.
 

Casey

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#25
The album has leaked....... holy fuck, "Hollywood Tonight" and "Behind The Mask" ARE THE MOTHERFUCKING JAMS!

Bow down to the King, motherfuckers.
 

DarkPhantom13

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#26
Im about to take a listen to the album right now. I'm fighting a cold so i've been doped up on meds and sleeping all day and i woke up to this nice little surprise. Hey Casey wats the deal with Breaking News? When i first heard it i noticed that the lead vocals in the beginning sounded completely different to the lead vocals in the end half of the song. Is that the one that supposedly isn't really Michael the whole way through?
 

Casey

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#27
Im about to take a listen to the album right now. I'm fighting a cold so i've been doped up on meds and sleeping all day and i woke up to this nice little surprise. Hey Casey wats the deal with Breaking News? When i first heard it i noticed that the lead vocals in the beginning sounded completely different to the lead vocals in the end half of the song. Is that the one that supposedly isn't really Michael the whole way through?
Yeah, the three songs that came from the Cascio family are the ones that have been augmented with an impostor. That's "Breaking News", "Keep Your Head Up" and "Monster".

"Keep Your Head Up" to me sounds like it's maybe two-thirds legit MJ vocals and the rest filled in by the imposter, but "Breaking News" and "Monster" are pretty much all the imposter with the occasional bit of real MJ vocals spliced in here and there. The giveaways are the weak vibrato and the pronunciation of some of the words, like on "Breaking News" when the lyrics go "wanna write my obituaryyyyyy", you can tell that shit ain't Michael. They've also added in adlibs from other existing MJ songs to further augment the tracks and fool people. There was a leak of "Keep Your Head Up" a couple of weeks ago that had adlibs from "Earth Song" that didn't even fit LOL. Luckily, they took those particular adlibs out on the final mix. It's these songs that are the reason people like 3T, Randy Jackson and Darkchild are saying it's not Michael. Basically it seems like the Cascio family had some bits and pieces here and there and they filled in the gaps with an imposter in order to sell the songs. Shady as fuck. Word is they have another 7 "songs" as well, another of which already leaked to the internet and is blatantly the impersonator but wasn't included on this album. They are full of excuses as well, saying they hard drive and the computer that the songs were originally recorded on broke LOL. And that they don't have any alternate takes or scratch takes of vocals because Michael "was so happy with them that he said to delete them", which is just complete horseshit because MJ was a packrat and kept EVERYTHING lol.

The whole situation with the fake songs is really fucked up but at this point there's nothing that can be done. And the other 7 songs on the album are all fully legit. I'm supporting and buying the album because of the 7 completely real songs, but I fully understand that some fans are boycotting the album because they are so upset about this whole fake songs business.
 

Casey

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#28
Also, what some fans are doing, is deleting the three fake songs and replacing them with three real unreleased MJ songs that leaked over the past 2 weeks. "Blue Gangster" leaked in full as well as "Do You Know", and a third song called "Slave To The Rhythm" leaked as a 3minutes version but it's not the full song which is expected to leak completely very soon.

I personally am going to make a playlist on my computer that switches "Breaking News" and "Monster" with "Blue Gangster" and "Do You Know", and have "Breaking News", "Monster" on the end as bonus tracks. "Keep Your Head Up" I can deal with because as I said, I think this one has more legit vocals on it than the other two, even though it has still been mashed together with the imposters vocals in certain places.
 

DarkPhantom13

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#29
Is there any way you can post up links to those songs you talked about? I'm not in any MJ scene so i would have no idea where to even start to look for them.
 
#32
Its a great album.

The best song on there is the thriller era "Behind the Mask" love the sax intro.

A lil disappointed with "Another day" they just looped the chorus too many times for me. Great solo tho.

Hollywood Tonight kinda proves to me at least Michaels voice had changed and the Cascio tracks are indeed real.

Teddy Riley absolutely dominated the beat for "Monster" very impressed.
 
#33
Its a great album.

The best song on there is the thriller era "Behind the Mask" love the sax intro.

A lil disappointed with "Another day" they just looped the chorus too many times for me. Great solo tho.

Hollywood Tonight kinda proves to me at least Michaels voice had changed and the Cascio tracks are indeed real.

Teddy Riley absolutely dominated the beat for "Monster" very impressed.
you still producing?
 

Casey

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#34
No, the Cascio tracks are not real.

I wrote this on another forum in response to someone arguing that their songs are real. Basically, if you believe they are real, then the following questions need to be answered:

1. Why don't the songs sound like anything else Michael ever recorded, including songs recorded in the SAME year like Hold My Hand? Bear in mind, "low budget studios" and "vocal processing" don't count, as I've already debunked both of these points and they are now invalid, having worked in studios myself for over 8 years and recorded everywhere from bedroom studios, engineering things myself, to the most expensive studios in the world with top-class engineers.

2. Why are there NO adlibs, NO scratch vocal takes, demo takes, NO recordings of him humming parts of the songs as he was ALWAYS known to do? Why are there NO lyric sheets, NO pictures of Michael recording, NO video footage of Michael recording, not a SINGLE piece of evidence that any recordings were made with the Cascio's?

To quote Taryll Jackson:

"If you question the validity of a professional photo you can ask the photographer for more pictures from that photo shoot. If it is authentic the photographer will turn over different shots. Some with different poses, some even with eyes closed. I questioned the validity of the vocal's on "breaking news" and several other songs of theirs that I've heard and they told me no other takes or tracks exist. They claim my uncle was so happy with the performance he instructed them to delete all the other files. I had the honor to learn and watch my uncle record my entire life and that is NOT how he worked. No outtakes, no other tracks, no backups, no proof. roughly 10 songs they turned in… same story for all of them. I asked for the computer it was created on... they said it broke. I asked for the original hard drive... they said it was destroyed. One dubious excuse after another."

3. Eddie Cascio has a audio engineering qualification. WHY did he send already processed vocal tracks to the Estate as opposed to the original, unedited tracks? ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about audio engineering will tell you that there's ALWAYS an unedited version of the vocal as a backup in case you decide to undo what you did and mix the tracks differently. Since he has a qualification, he WOULD know this.

4. Why are there NO real MJ adlibs on ANY of the Cascio songs so they had to sample in adlibs from older, released songs? "Keep Your Head Up" has samples from Earth Song. "Breaking News" has samples from "Another Part Of Me" and some other things. "Monster" too, also contains adlibs from older songs.

5. Why is there a digitally added vibrato on the Cascio vocals? I've asked every producer I know when would be the appropriate time to add a digital vibrato, and they ALL said "when the singer isn't good enough to sing a real vibrato". Obviously not the case with Michael, and before you say "maybe his voice wasn't in good shape" - he sounds incredible on "Hold My Hand", recorded the SAME year.

6. Will.I.Am worked with Michael in 2006 and 2007 in Ireland and Las Vegas. He said that after the sessions, he'd keep the music on his hard drives and Michael would keep his recorded vocals on his. If that's the case, WHY would MJ leave vocals with the Cascio's? If the Cascio's did indeed record with Michael (which there's no evidence for), it's logical to assume Michael took the vocals, the Cascio's remembered how the songs went and recreated them with either Eddie, James Porte or someone else singing them, then sampled in MJ breaths and adlibs from other places to mask it.

7. WHY did the Cascio's not register anything until after Michael died? Also, songs were never registered individually, as is standard practice, but instead were all registered together under the name "MJ Songbook", with NO individual songnames listed? Also - this "MJ Songbook" registration was NOT for songs. It was for LYRICS only. The only LOGICAL assumption here is that Michael WROTE these songs, but didn't record them. Otherwise - the Cascio's would have registered SONGS in the first place, and not just lyrics. So - WHY was the filing just for lyrics and not for songs?

It doesn't take a genius to realise that what seems to have happened is that Michael wrote down a bunch of lyrics in a book, perhaps even to some rudimentary music produced by Eddie, left the "Songbook" with the Cascio's, who saw their opportunity to make money after he died, registered the songs, then recorded someone else singing the lyrics that Michael wrote, processed the fuck out of them to try and cover up the fact that it wasn't MJ, added in sampled breaths and adlibs from other songs to further mask the fake vocals, then SOLD these tracks to the Estate.
Any and all of the following need answers if the Cascio songs are real. But I've been listening to MJ damn near every single day of my life since 1989 and I can tell you that these songs are NOT him singing. The pronunciation is inconsistent with how MJ spoke and sang. There are anomalies on these three songs that don't appear on ANY other song Michael Jackson EVER recorded.

MOST fans agree it's not Michael. Taj, TJ and Taryll Jackson say it's not Michael. Randy says it's not Michael. Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins says it's not Michael. Cory Rooney (former high level executive at Sony) say's it not Michael, and HE WAS ACTUALLY AT THE MEETING where the Estate gathered associates of Michael to see if it was him, the vague statement from the Estate said that "All these people agreed it was Michael", Corey was at the meeting and says that's NOT what happened.

Taryll Jackson has even posted direct quotes of things Teddy Riley said about it NOT being Michael. Teddy is now insisting the songs are real, but he's the ONLY one defending them in public, AND he's getting paid from the Estate so he has an agenda.

Taryll JACKSON said:
I am shocked that things have gotten this far. This is ridiculous. I was at the studio when these questionable files were delivered. I heard these "so-called" Michael Jackson songs raw and without the distraction of the well produced music by Teddy Riley. How they constructed these songs is very sneaky and sly. many people who have worked on this project either have strong doubts and questions while others KNOW the truth yet decided to turn and look the other way with their hands out for $$$. I will NEVER look the other way. Right is Right, Truth is Truth, Facts are Facts and it will all come out!!! I tried so hard to prevent this craziness, but they wouldn't listen. I KNOW my Uncle's voice and something's seriously wrong when you have immediate FAMILY saying it's not him. Don't you have to wonder why? I have strong, undeniable points. They can't give me answers, yet continue to move forward with lies and deception. Sounding like Michael Jackson and BEING Michael Jackson are two different things.

"If you know it's a lie then you will swear it, If you give it with guilt then you will bear it, If it's taking a chance then you will dare it… you would do anything for money"
TJ JACKSON said:
There's many MJ vocal impersonators. Some better than others. But there is only ONE Michael Jackson. Deceptively merging shady vocals with MJ samples (from prior MJ records) will never fool me. Why they would ignore the obvious, look the other way and rush a suspicious track that was NEVER on my Uncle's radar is beyond me. I'm disgusted, disappointed and saddened. And before the media starts to smear our name, just remember we are COMMITTED (as our Uncle Michael always knew) to protect his name and his amazing legacy he worked his whole life for. We have nothing to gain and we know they will try to drag our name through the mud. But we know how much he valued his legacy and his fans. And cheating either is unacceptable. "Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons"
The biggest red flag to me, aside from the vocals not sounding a damn thing like MJ, is the copyright filing the Cascio's made on JUNE 28TH 2009 (yes, only 2 days after Michael died). They filed a registration to protect what they HAD. They filed a registration for LYRICS. If they had songs, they would have registered the songs. Because, music industry law states that whoever owns the studio the songs are recorded in, owns the songs. But they didn't have songs, so they didn't register songs. They had lyrics that MJ wrote, and they've re-recorded them with someone else.

You know there's another Cascio song floating around that was considered for this album? It's called "ALL I NEED" and it's the most obvious fake of all of them. Google that if you think this fradulent songs are Michael Jackson singing, and if you still think it's MJ after hearing that atrocity - you don't know what Michael Jackson's voice sounds like. Period.
 

Casey

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#36
Not really because there isn't just ONE thread where it's being talked about, there's literally hundreds.

There's a handful of fairly informative threads on Maximum Jackson, but you'd have to be a member to see them.

There is another link I could send you, but it's a 50 page thread and it's about MJ in general, so there's a lot of talk about the game, the new DVD set of music videos, some songs that leaked on the internet, as well as all the drama with the new album, so if you can sift through all 50 pages to find the parts you're interested in then I can help you, but I have a feeling that only huge MJ fans like myself would be able to do that.
 

Chronic

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#37
I believe they're real because I was listening to one of the supposed fake songs on youtube and someone had posted that the Cascio tracks are real.












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