Pakistan wants Facebook CEO Zuckerberg dead

[Jokerman]

These people are either brainwashed or too fucking stupid to think for themselves. They've never evaluated any moral choice other than the way their parents raised them. Mindless, idiotic drones.

I say the things I say to reach out to those people

You're kidding, right? You don't see a contradiction between name-calling and reaching out? Since I usually agree with your position, I find your language funny, but surely, something else motivates you to name-call religious or meat eating ppl. Could anger and/or a superiority complex be involved? Just saying. You might need to examine your motives more.

You can't reach out to people if you have or manifest all this anger and utter contempt for them in your words. Because guess what, you're not reaching them, as they have made clear here numerous times.

 

[ARon]

I have no idea what you're babbling about, so, whatevs.

You don't remember you always getting into arguements with people then being lame as fuck and being like oh hahaha I just wanted to get a response and I succeeded! Yippee! Then you'd say it's for some social experiment or some shit...

 

[Casey]

You're kidding, right? You don't see a contradiction between name-calling and reaching out? Since I usually agree with your position, I find your language funny, but surely, something else motivates you to name-call religious or meat eating ppl. Could anger and/or a superiority complex be involved? Just saying. You might need to examine your motives more.

You can't reach out to people if you have or manifest all this anger and utter contempt for them in your words. Because guess what, you're not reaching them, as they have made clear here numerous times.

You're 100% right. I get angrier on this board than anywhere else for some reason and I don't usually do that name-calling stuff. I think it's an over-familiarity with the people on this forum. You know what they say about familiarity breeding contempt.

Also, as other people can attest who have reached out to me in private about these issues, I don't talk like that to them when it's one-on-one and they are actually coming to me for advice.

I'd say the anger and the vitriol is mostly for the people that are too stubborn to recognise valid points. The actual points though, are still getting through to the people that are observing and reading everything I say, but not posting/replying as much.

It's kind of like NWA. They had valid socio-political messages in their music but also the anger and the vitriol which strengthened their underlying point and served as somewhat of a rallying cry for the people that felt the same way they did. The stubborn people that had a problem with it could not make it past the cursing, but the people that really listened and understood why they were so frustrated, were the ones that the underlying messages really got through to, and made a difference.

 

[ill-matic]

Lol ok eazy e, you're kidding right??

 

[Casey]

Lol ok eazy e, you're kidding right??

I'm not Eazy-E. I'm Ice Cube, motherfucker.

 

[Duke]

No I agree with Casey's last post. Casey himself specifically, I'm also not in the clear on this, sometimes uses words that are maybe detrimental to the things we are trying to convey, but that's also this board and the internet's "fault".

The thing is, I know full well of myself that I can be very harsh on certain topics, that's why I will refrain from having a "no holds barred" discussion with someone I don't know that well in real life. I will put a whole lot more nuance in my arguments, or when I feel I'm talking to a brick wall, I'm just gonna cut the discussion off with some cliche bullshit, or I'll focus on some tiny detail and try to sidetrack the topic from there. I do that because I don't wanna get into an actual argument with people that can't be argued with.

The internet is different in a way. You can speak more freely and that will mean you will offend people much quicker. In an online topic I'm much quicker to be harsh in my word choice. I won't do that as fast in a real situation, because I still don't wanna piss people off needlessly, even if it is for my own "safety".

But that doesn't mean I won't say what I really think when you press me enough. And when you press me enough, I can be just as offensive as I am on here. If someone in a real life situation is stupid and shortsighted enough I can explode in a verbal torrent of hatred.

And you know, I don't even give a shit if that may be detrimental to my argument in that situation. If you manage to piss me off that much, I've already considered you "not worthy".

 

[dilla]

I spent the night at my friend's house and I guess I woke up beating off. So the bathroom is across the hall and his mom is making breakfast in the kitchen and I can't just walk out and clean myself up. No tissues in the room either. So I get on my knees and wipe "it" with the inside of the bed skirt.

You're welcome.

 

[Duke]

That's unncessary info, man.

 

[Duke]

Here's your analagy above... Saying chimps don't have religion, and don't bash in their own social circle.

I disagreed, as they do. And would, and when they don't it is due to fear of other more powerful chimps. So your analagy doesn't work.....

Why am I bringing it up again? I don't know. Does it matter...? No.

You missed the point. Even compared to humans 10.000 years ago, chimps are fucking barbarians. Perhaps chimps aren't a brilliant generic example to use in my point, it only becomes interesting if we're gonna have a socio-biological discussion in here. But all social animals, and more likely than not a whole bunch of solitary species, have some degree of instinctive morals. These are not "learned" morals, because the principle that we as humans have called "morals and ethics" is a fundamental trait that enables us to function in a group.

Man did not invent "morals", we just gave it a name and expanded on the idea.

I also won't deny that religion helps to imprint the basic set of morals (that enable our social functioning) into new members of humankind, it's one of the few good aspects about any religion (though I must admit I'm not up to date on the commandments of Thor. Maybe they say "bash your neighbour", I don't know).


What it comes down to is that the idea of morals and ethics is an innate thing. Religion did not create it and man wouldn't turn into degenerates if there was no religion. We'd be fine.


I wrote a whole Preach-rant but I can be much more to the point about the chimp-thing: what i was trying to compare was that chimps and humans function pretty much the same socially but that chimps lack the organized religion that we have. Looking back on it I worded it piss-poorly (as in, seemingly opposite of what I was trying to say). Apologies.

 

[Jokerman]

I spent the night at my friend's house and I guess I woke up beating off.

I recommend you observe thousands of circumcisions, some in person and many more over the internet.

 

[dilla]

I recommend you observe thousands of circumcisions, some in person and many more over the internet.

Why??

 

[Preach]

Understand that. Chimpansees have no books, no written laws and (as far as we know) no religion. Yet they don't bash each other's head in in the social circle of their own tribe. Why?

Chimpanzee Gangs Kill for Land - Yahoo! News

last 10 pages since that post are now obsolete, thread must start over

 

[Preach]

It's kind of like NWA. They had valid socio-political messages in their music but also the anger and the vitriol which strengthened their underlying point and served as somewhat of a rallying cry for the people that felt the same way they did. The stubborn people that had a problem with it could not make it past the cursing, but the people that really listened and understood why they were so frustrated, were the ones that the underlying messages really got through to, and made a difference.

So in other words, your attempts to reach out to "these" people would, according to yourself in this quoted text which you used as a sort of comparison/explanation for the duality of your actions, not actually reach out to them. It would instead only reach the people who feel like you, and rally them. And in the end, all that would accomplish is that everyone who feels like you would be rallied together, and mad, but you all still wouldn't be reaching the people you proclaim to intend to want to bring enlightenment to? So you admit that it is all for naught, but you make up for that by drawing parallels to how a specific rap group made their way to stardom in a very specific time? I hear the comparison you are making but I can compare anything to something that sounds good, you know what I mean? I don't see how that adds any merit to what you're doing, but I do see how it could help fool/convince you that it does.

It feels like you kind of conceded the whole point you tried to argument against. Nonetheless, let's say I wasn't this difficult and I actually "get where you're coming from". That picture, a bunch of mad people who "fucking knows what they're talking about" looking down on all the lesser individuals sounds a lot like Nazis and Jews. I'm not saying you would go ahead and try to gas us... But that's still a very dangerous outlook on the situation on your side there. Like Jokerman said, acceptance is key here.

 

[S O F I]

No I agree with Casey's last post. Casey himself specifically, I'm also not in the clear on this, sometimes uses words that are maybe detrimental to the things we are trying to convey, but that's also this board and the internet's "fault".

The thing is, I know full well of myself that I can be very harsh on certain topics, that's why I will refrain from having a "no holds barred" discussion with someone I don't know that well in real life. I will put a whole lot more nuance in my arguments, or when I feel I'm talking to a brick wall, I'm just gonna cut the discussion off with some cliche bullshit, or I'll focus on some tiny detail and try to sidetrack the topic from there. I do that because I don't wanna get into an actual argument with people that can't be argued with.

The internet is different in a way. You can speak more freely and that will mean you will offend people much quicker. In an online topic I'm much quicker to be harsh in my word choice. I won't do that as fast in a real situation, because I still don't wanna piss people off needlessly, even if it is for my own "safety".

But that doesn't mean I won't say what I really think when you press me enough. And when you press me enough, I can be just as offensive as I am on here. If someone in a real life situation is stupid and shortsighted enough I can explode in a verbal torrent of hatred.

And you know, I don't even give a shit if that may be detrimental to my argument in that situation. If you manage to piss me off that much, I've already considered you "not worthy".

Did you, at any point during writing this post, think how that could be applied to the other side in your arguments? The other side being Muslims. The few Muslims and Islam supporters on this board get irked very quickly and yet you don't show a grain of understanding that you're giving yourself in that post. Islam has witnessed criticism and attacks on all fronts, especially since 9/11, and then you have a Muslim person come to an Internet forum to learn about Tupac and maybe hip-hop in general, and has to deal with more Islam bashing. You don't seem to consider that at all when you react to their outbursts in these threads.

 

[dilla]

I say we kill allah for allowing him to exist.

I just want you to say this at the wedding. I'm sure you'll agree that saying something about someone behind their back is easy, it takes guts to confront them and say it. I realize you aren't targeting Islam only and you are anti-every-religion, but for this thread's content's sake, would you say it?

Considering you're big in the global Asian community, can you really say ANYTHING you said in this thread about Muslims considering a good portion of your fan base could be Muslim, or could you say anything said in this thread about religion to any of your religious fans?

And this is just a question, but has anything said in this thread trickled down to your music? If so, can you allude to one and if not....well...why not?

 

[Casey]

I just want you to say this at the wedding. I'm sure you'll agree that saying something about someone behind their back is easy, it takes guts to confront them and say it. I realize you aren't targeting Islam only and you are anti-every-religion, but for this thread's content's sake, would you say it?

Considering you're big in the global Asian community, can you really say ANYTHING you said in this thread about Muslims considering a good portion of your fan base could be Muslim, or could you say anything said in this thread about religion to any of your religious fans?

And this is just a question, but has anything said in this thread trickled down to your music? If so, can you allude to one and if not....well...why not?

You missed the whole point.

A) that comment was a joke.
b) Duke and I have already explained that our angry outbursts are a REaction, and not an action of their own. What's the likelihood at my friends wedding that someone is going to offend me enough? If all of the people at that wedding crowded together and said "Hey isn't Pakistan so awesome for putting death threads against Mark Zuckerberg?" and all cheered - you bet your ass I would say it. But again, what's the likelihood? Regardless, my Muslim friends are rational people who don't think the way these extremists do, and we've already covered that point extensively.

Secondly, a good portion of my fanbase IS Muslim. That didn't stop me from making a status update regarding the Aisha/Pedophilia issue recently. If I feel I have a valid point, I'll make it. I love my fans, but I don't hold my tongue for anyone's sake.

To your last point - my music is not political. I don't much care for political music. I feel that if you really want to hear about politics, go talk to some politicians. Musicians very rarely have a good grasp on politics and when they do, it largely bores the shit out of me. I don't listen to Dead Prez, Paris, shit like that. I respect them, but I don't care much for it.

I make hedonistic, party music, ocassionally with social undertones (rarely), I write songs about love and relationships, and most of all, our songs are about self-identity and finding a place. Music to me is escapism. It's about creating another world to lose yourself from mundane day-to-day activities. My band's new album is an equal balance of three categories - hedonistic party songs, songs about love/relationships, and more introspective songs about identity and idealisms. You won't find a shred of politics anywhere in my bands music or in my solo work.

Even with my favorite artists, I don't care much for any political work they may have done. MJ never cared much for that topic and never sang about it. Prince has done a little bit, but I don't listen to those songs. Tupac largely moved away from political songs after his first two albums, to the same three topics I mentioned - party songs, songs about relationship and introspective/deep songs.

But don't get that confused with me not caring about politics and world issues. I do. But I don't find that it makes a good combination with music, unless the music is incredible and the political message is VERY broad/loose - Bob Marley could be considered a good reference there.

 

[Rufas]

what the fuck is going on i think im losing me shit fella

have ya seen me meds ya cunt

ya gotta be a fucking flaming flamigo to kill zucker.

 

[Duke]

Did you, at any point during writing this post, think how that could be applied to the other side in your arguments? The other side being Muslims. The few Muslims and Islam supporters on this board get irked very quickly and yet you don't show a grain of understanding that you're giving yourself in that post. Islam has witnessed criticism and attacks on all fronts, especially since 9/11, and then you have a Muslim person come to an Internet forum to learn about Tupac and maybe hip-hop in general, and has to deal with more Islam bashing. You don't seem to consider that at all when you react to their outbursts in these threads.

You missed the point by so much I'm not even gonna respond.

You, sir, are not worthy.

 

[Duke]

Chimpanzee Gangs Kill for Land - Yahoo! News

last 10 pages since that post are now obsolete, thread must start over

I already clarified this and you're heinously late with this, so go and take a good fuck to yourself, you hear me?

 

[S O F I]

You missed the point by so much I'm not even gonna respond.
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No, I did not.