Interracial Couple Denied Marriage License In Louisiana

Nov 17, 2002
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NEW ORLEANS – A white Louisiana justice of the peace said he refused to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple out of concern for any children the couple might have.

Keith Bardwell, justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish, says it is his experience that most interracial marriages do not last long.

"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way," Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

Bardwell said he asks everyone who calls about marriage if they are a mixed race couple. If they are, he does not marry them, he said.

Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.

"There is a problem with both groups accepting a child from such a marriage," Bardwell said. "I think those children suffer and I won't help put them through it."

If he did an interracial marriage for one couple, he must do the same for all, he said.

"I try to treat everyone equally," he said.

Bardwell estimates that he has refused to marry about four couples during his career, all in the past 2 1/2 years.

Beth Humphrey, 30, and 32-year-old Terence McKay, both of Hammond, say they will consult the U.S. Justice Department about filing a discrimination complaint.

Humphrey, an account manager for a marketing firm, said she and McKay, a welder, just returned to Louisiana. She is white and he is black. She plans to enroll in the University of New Orleans to pursue a masters degree in minority politics.

"That was one thing that made this so unbelievable," she said. "It's not something you expect in this day and age."

Humphrey said she called Bardwell on Oct. 6 to inquire about getting a marriage license signed. She says Bardwell's wife told her that Bardwell will not sign marriage licenses for interracial couples. Bardwell suggested the couple go to another justice of the peace in the parish who agreed to marry them.

"We are looking forward to having children," Humphrey said. "And all our friends and co-workers have been very supportive. Except for this, we're typical happy newlyweds."

"It is really astonishing and disappointing to see this come up in 2009," said American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana attorney Katie Schwartzmann. She said the Supreme Court ruled in 1967 "that the government cannot tell people who they can and cannot marry."

The ACLU sent a letter to the Louisiana Judiciary Committee, which oversees the state justices of the peace, asking them to investigate Bardwell and recommending "the most severe sanctions available, because such blatant bigotry poses a substantial threat of serious harm to the administration of justice."

"He knew he was breaking the law, but continued to do it," Schwartzmann said.

According to the clerk of court's office, application for a marriage license must be made three days before the ceremony because there is a 72-hour waiting period. The applicants are asked if they have previously been married. If so, they must show how the marriage ended, such as divorce.

Other than that, all they need is a birth certificate and Social Security card.

The license fee is $35, and the license must be signed by a Louisiana minister, justice of the peace or judge. The original is returned to the clerk's office.

"I've been a justice of the peace for 34 years and I don't think I've mistreated anybody," Bardwell said. "I've made some mistakes, but you have too. I didn't tell this couple they couldn't get married. I just told them I wouldn't do it."

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Wow...this world really saddens me sometimes. The judge saying he has "piles and piles of black friends and that he let's them use his bathroom"...yet he doesn't want to marry an interracial couple? Yeah...OK.
 
Whether the man has a point or not, it's his job to marry these people. If you're a bus driver, you can't deny someone who wears a cap entry to your bus.

So even if he isn't a racist, he's still wrong.
 
I love how people think because they know or are friends with others from a different race they can't possibly be racist.
 
As a mixed race child, this deeply saddens me.

I wouldn't give up being mixed race for the world. I enjoy being racially ambiguous, I soak up more knowledge because I have first hand experience of two vastly different cultures and can therefore relate to more people.

This judge can go fuck himself.
 
As a mixed race child, this deeply saddens me.

I wouldn't give up being mixed race for the world. I enjoy being racially ambiguous, I soak up more knowledge because I have first hand experience of two vastly different cultures and can therefore relate to more people.

This judge can go fuck himself.
You are aware of the fact that you are mixed though. It is a thought you can have, so it is an "issue" for better or worse. It is a fact you have to take a stance to. The question one might ask from an ideal point of view is, if a person could live a lifetime as a white kid, a lifetime as a black kid, and a lifetime as a mixed kid, maybe he would prefer one over the other two if he were to pick one after all of these experiences. This judge seems to think that if people could do that, they would always go with white, cause white people don't have to put up with a lot of the shit that colored people have to. This is not evil, it's just facts. It's easier to be white, and everybody likes easy. The judge seems to assume this and accepting it. I would speculate on it but my official position on such a matter is: I have no idea. Maybe. To me it's one of those things where I avoid taking a stance because there are so many shades of gray, but this judge apparently made up his mind.

I'm assuming the judge is white. From his point of view (white) it's understandable that he would automatically assume that it's best to be white. He thinks so, out of not knowing what it's like to be anything else, just like you sorta feel like it's best that you're mixed. You have nothing to compare it to so the statement "I'm okay with being mixed" is obsolete. You don't even know that it's okay, but it's all you know, so somehow you find a way to live with it. We all make excuses that help us deal with who we are. I'm fat and have a similar way of feeling okay about it. The fact is, even though I am, it's still not nice when someone calls me fat. Cause I am, and I know I am, so it's just mean and it hurts my feelings. Btw. I'm not comparing being non-caucasian with being fat although it sounds like it, the point I'm trying to convey is, you don't know that it's okay but it's what you tell yourself so you wouldn't hate yourself. If someone walks up to you and call you "******", you either get hurt over the fact that such an evil human being exists out there, or you get really pissed off and wanna kill this person. Either way it's not a comfortable and happy experience. You should consider that this is what the judge thinks he's helping against.

It looks to me like the guy is acting out of what he seems to think is everybody's best interest. I think it's kinda weird to say he should go fuck himself, or to be "mad" at him. If you're gonna be mad at him you better have a reason, and your reason (not speaking to Casey now, I'm speaking from a general PoV) in this case would be that you disagree with his assessment. He's not being evil for the purpose of being evil, he is speaking to the maximum capacity of his intellect, and this is what comes out. You are actually being discriminating when you give him shit for it unless it's all an evil plan of his to stop all mixed marriages. It's possible that he's on a one-man mission to save the white race, but I somehow find it unlikely. It's way more likely that he actually believes he is doing something good, to which I personally don't think anyone should be judged.

My opinion is that this guy should never be a judge because he lacks the perspective he should have as one. I don't think he's a bad or evil person though, just misinformed and confused. Like I mentioned, to me it looks like he thinks he's working for some kind of greater good, and I can respect that even though I disagree with it.

"I never told these people they couldn't get married, I just said I wouldn't do it". He has 'personal reasons', based on experience likely. The fact that he may be wrong is one thing to consider, but one might ask why he is of this opinion in the first place. Maybe there's more to what he's saying than any of us can understand, because we're all young and liberal and open to just about anything. Conservatism isn't just a generation thing, it's an age thing too. That's why old people have such strong opinions - because their life's experience confirm the opinions they hold time and again. So maybe he's right, that most of the mixed couples he married ended up splitting up. And maybe he doesn't want a child to have to grow up without a mom or a dad. I mean, everything suggests that the guy thinks he's being nice to someone with this.
 
I'm assuming the judge is white. From his point of view (white) it's understandable that he would automatically assume that it's best to be white. He thinks so, out of not knowing what it's like to be anything else, just like you sorta feel like it's best that you're mixed.
His view is that mixed kids have a harder time of it than do black kids. He has no problem marrying a black couple. It's his concern for mixed kids. It's a valid concern because mixed kids do usually have a hard time of it, at least in the US (and I'm speaking of black/white kids, not Indian/white or whatever), but it's a valid concern only for the couple themselves. It's none of his business and he is being discriminating if not full-out racist.
 
So...he wouldn't have married Obama's parents because, god forbid, their child might grow up to be the best president the US has had in a long time. Good call, dimwit.
 
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It's none of his business and he is being discriminating if not full-out racist.
My point was just that being racist != being evil. This guys is ignorant, not evil. Further, my point was that it's kinda weird to tell someone to go fuck themselves for being ignorant. They can't help it. Also, your opinion is very liberal. This "none of his business" rule is a human rule, not a universal one. Who ever said that this is true? Well I agree that it is, you do, a whole slew of other people too probably. But I bet a bunch of people also disagree with that logic. Maybe the guy is a socialist (which is everyone's right as a human being btw). It's nobody's business that I'm fat, smoke dope and that I'm not a vegan, but somehow I have to explain myself anyway. So yeah, I wasn't saying he was right, just saying that there's way worse things he could have done and I can at least sorta see where he's coming from.
 
My point was just that being racist != being evil. This guys is ignorant, not evil. Further, my point was that it's kinda weird to tell someone to go fuck themselves for being ignorant. They can't help it. Also, your opinion is very liberal. This "none of his business" rule is a human rule, not a universal one. Who ever said that this is true? Well I agree that it is, you do, a whole slew of other people too probably. But I bet a bunch of people also disagree with that logic. Maybe the guy is a socialist (which is everyone's right as a human being btw). It's nobody's business that I'm fat, smoke dope and that I'm not a vegan, but somehow I have to explain myself anyway. So yeah, I wasn't saying he was right, just saying that there's way worse things he could have done and I can at least sorta see where he's coming from.

Ignorant? Yes. Racist? Probably not. But influenced by racism? Absolutely. There's a point to draw on ignorance. I can see your point but there's nothing here to defend.
He'd have a point in not marrying an obese couple because their children will most likely be obese as well.
Oversimplifying to make a point... racism is a social disease and it affects most people. You don't need to be a racist to have racist thoughts. Usually it takes a trigger to let it surface. Goes a little faster for people in Louisiana. Goes a little bit faster in Norway than in The Netherlands. To me it is not a coincidence that this occured because of a mixed offspring (duh).
I completely understand your point that it's not as big of a deal as some people would make it out to be but it is a big deal and shouldn't be rationalized.
What I find to happen is that, like you said, racism is equated with evil. People grow up with "racist = evil" in their heads and when they make a racist comment, their minds will not allow them to see this as racist because "well I'm not evil, I can't be racist!". And then you end up with people who to prove they're not racists will say they allowed a fellow of the negroid persuasion in their bathroom. Wow, that's progressive. They can't accept that they have racist thoughts and just push away any recipe for change.
 
He claims that he isn't racist, but he won't marry interracial couples because of the children that come from such marriages, Sounds kind of racist to me. He's discriminating on the bases of race, which is against US law and policy. Plus what is wrong with mixed children/people?? I mean there are plenty of people out there that are mixed and doing fine for themselves.. ex.
 
So Preach is fat?
Hey fuck your vaginaface, I've lost like 50 pounds since 99! But yea, I have a couple of extra pounds :(

Also Chronic yeah I agree with what you're saying. I'll further my point. I'm not trying to defend, I'm just painting an opposite extreme to this guy's behavior. He doesn't want to marry mixed couples because he fears for the quality of life of their offspring. It doesn't sound right, I know that. But I don't think it sounds right to hate a guy for what he believes is right either. It's not like he's a sociopath, it's not like he's retarded, he's just an ignoramus. Compare his belief to the belief that there is a supreme god named Shiva with four arms that rules over a bunch of other gods in some heavenly realm, and tell me who's really crazy lol :p

The important part of my point is the distinction between the two sides (against mixed marriages vs. against being against mixed marriages) is to understand that no one is right or wrong, they are different points of view. That's why I generally don't have too strong opinions about shit like this but choose to approach it with a speculative mindset. You can't judge the guy because he did what he thought would help other people so he was trying to be nice. I too thought "WTF" when I first read the title, but my instant reaction wasn't to go "Fuck that dude". It was to try and understand where he's coming from all whilst maintaining that I believe he is wrong.

Just to be very clear, I'm not saying that I think the shit is okay. I'm just not saying fuck the guy, and then I went on to make a point of why I think saying "fuck that guy" is equally ignorant as his rules of practice. To be even more clear and take it back to basics, I was offended that this guy took so much shit for being ignorant. My moral compass tells me it is wrong to give the guy shit, when he acted in good intentions. I felt something was morally wrong and I wanted to set the record straight or at least offer input for why I think some people should think before they blurt out anger and ignorance (which namecalling really is). I myself have made mistakes where I thought I was acting out of everyone's best interest, so I know it is possible to make this mistake honestly. If someone here believes none of their thoughts and ideas would fall into the category of "ignorant" then you are truly conceited. We're all ignorant about something, most of us just haven't admitted it to ourselves probably. I can be racially retarded in the sense that I don't understand racial friction. In my head everybody is equal so I naively expect others to feel the same, and this can put me in awkward situations. But the bottom line is that I don't differentiate people based on skin color (cause I have a black friend so obviously I'm not racist ;)) and still manage to get into racially awkward situations cause I'm naive and ignorant. I don't think I deserve shit for it, so then I kinda have to believe this guy doesn't either, yeh?
 

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