Who deserves the most face palms?

[S O F I]

Yeah, it may seem obsessive to the untrained eye so I'll quit. Anyway I can't be mad at him, he gets all my big bang theory references.

 

[Casey]

casey's made it. im not feelin the music that much but i can appreciate it. i respect the hustle, regardless of my feelings on the music. aint no denyin that shit.

tho i think humility is a good trait to have. sometimes it's lost in casey. this is what i dont like. i can admire someones success without having them constantly rub my nose in it and make out theyre better than me. dunno if thats all jokes tho, and i dont cry bout it, it just makes it harder to respect your hustle when you do it. know what i mean????

Thanks. I actually strive to be a very humble person in real life. I know I can easily sit here and say "well im jk im not like this at all really LOL" but, I don't need or have any reason to prove my character. I've said how it is, anyone who I speak to outside of here would confirm it, and that's the entirety of it.

The people that can see it for what it is understand, the people that always have had issues with me will deny it and continue to claim I'm just some egotistical asshole, and that's fine.

and Casey's defense is that when he's not being a lovable person, he is ACTING. When he IS a lovable person, he ISN'T acting.

He ascribes all bad behavior to a "social experiment" he's conducting, and all good behavior to who he really is.

and that's why I have a problem with that.

My perspective is that when Casey's ego and pride are under attack, all humility is lost and the egomaniac inside comes out and shows it's colors. But when his pride and ego aren't under attack, he's a chill dude. I'd be a hypocrite if I said I don't resort to similar reactions when my pride is under attack, but maybe that is why I can't stomach when people claim they don't do the same thing.

OK, this might be somewhat difficult to explain but I'm going to try and do it anyway.

What you said is true. Partially. If I wasn't able to step back and view myself from an outside perspective than what you said would be completely true. But for it to be completely true, I would have to lack that perspective.

But the way you explained it, is where it started to some extent. And everybody has that. Someone throws a jab, I get a little bit cocky and go into attack mode.

Where it progressed from there was that I sort of enjoyed it and enjoyed watching the chaos that surrounded it. Obviously I KNOW that when I do it, it exacerbates the situation. People will attack more, so I attack them more back, and the situation escalates. I wanted to see how far I could push people. I wanted to explore different people's limit and just how much people will tolerate when I attack the core things that make up much of who they are - most of all their diets and spiritual values. I believe in the things I believe in (veganism and atheism) for personal and compassionate reasons, as well as pure logic, which is a large part of the way I think.

So I knew with these two issues that I always have the upper hand. Morally, veganism and vegetarianism are superior to eating meat. Logically, there is no god. So no matter how much I rile people up and engage them in ridiculous all out flame war debates, they can't defeat me on these two points, and most unintelligent people will try to using the most ridiculous, retarded arguments, just making themselves look stupider in the process because their logic can not progress, it continues to hit brick walls. From the most basic, moral perspective, if you eat meat then you don't care about the welfare of animals and you don't have a problem with being indirectly responsible for their death, so the only reason you have for doing it is either a) ignorance, or B) you enjoy it and put your own needs above others.

That's the truth, but most people can't accept that. I'd have absolutely no problem with someone saying "I eat meat because I don't care about killing animals". Yeah I might make you feel bad about it (and that's my prerogative because obviously I can't condone the killing of animals) but at LEAST that person would be being honest, rather than trying to bullshit me (and actually themself) that there's actually some sort of justification for doing it other than selfishness.

My point is that I felt like I could attack and rile as much as I wanted to, observe the responses, , understand the way people think, understand the way people express their views on the internet with the benefit of anonymity when they are being attacked, understand how to define identity and clique methods in an online surrounding, and more.

You know I gave Sandeep some promo stuff recently to promote my EP at his college. Even though he lives in the same area as me, I ended up mailing it him rather than giving it to him in person, because, and this is a quote from him - "I'm scared of you."

Through nothing more than ASCII characters and words, I've stirred up the strongest emotions in people from hate, to anger, to resentment, to fear. And conversely, from others I've inspired loyalty and respect. It's all just interesting to me and I don't really have any way of utilising the knowledge (yet) but knowledge is always useful.

So anyone who thinks I'm simply making excuses is free to think that - because I know the knowledge and the perspective I've gained from it, and that's all I set out to do in the first place.

Yeah, it may seem obsessive to the untrained eye so I'll quit. Anyway I can't be mad at him, he gets all my big bang theory references.

At least you take the time to write a detailed critical post, rather than just making random cusses occasionally and then quoting someone else that writes the thing you couldn't be bothered to write yourself and adds their own YEAH LOL I AGREE CASEY SUXX0RZ ROFL! comment underneath it.

 

[SiGh]

Wut? Why am I on the same list as Tupac4life?

Just for the record:

Masta > {insert anything here}

bitches.

 

[Da_Funk]

Thanks. I actually strive to be a very humble person in real life. I know I can easily sit here and say "well im jk im not like this at all really LOL" but, I don't need or have any reason to prove my character. I've said how it is, anyone who I speak to outside of here would confirm it, and that's the entirety of it.

The people that can see it for what it is understand, the people that always have had issues with me will deny it and continue to claim I'm just some egotistical asshole, and that's fine.



OK, this might be somewhat difficult to explain but I'm going to try and do it anyway.

What you said is true. Partially. If I wasn't able to step back and view myself from an outside perspective than what you said would be completely true. But for it to be completely true, I would have to lack that perspective.

But the way you explained it, is where it started to some extent. And everybody has that. Someone throws a jab, I get a little bit cocky and go into attack mode.

Where it progressed from there was that I sort of enjoyed it and enjoyed watching the chaos that surrounded it. Obviously I KNOW that when I do it, it exacerbates the situation. People will attack more, so I attack them more back, and the situation escalates. I wanted to see how far I could push people. I wanted to explore different people's limit and just how much people will tolerate when I attack the core things that make up much of who they are - most of all their diets and spiritual values. I believe in the things I believe in (veganism and atheism) for personal and compassionate reasons, as well as pure logic, which is a large part of the way I think.

So I knew with these two issues that I always have the upper hand. Morally, veganism and vegetarianism are superior to eating meat. Logically, there is no god. So no matter how much I rile people up and engage them in ridiculous all out flame war debates, they can't defeat me on these two points, and most unintelligent people will try to using the most ridiculous, retarded arguments, just making themselves look stupider in the process because their logic can not progress, it continues to hit brick walls. From the most basic, moral perspective, if you eat meat then you don't care about the welfare of animals and you don't have a problem with being indirectly responsible for their death, so the only reason you have for doing it is either a) ignorance, or B) you enjoy it and put your own needs above others.

That's the truth, but most people can't accept that. I'd have absolutely no problem with someone saying "I eat meat because I don't care about killing animals". Yeah I might make you feel bad about it (and that's my prerogative because obviously I can't condone the killing of animals) but at LEAST that person would be being honest, rather than trying to bullshit me (and actually themself) that there's actually some sort of justification for doing it other than selfishness.

My point is that I felt like I could attack and rile as much as I wanted to, observe the responses, , understand the way people think, understand the way people express their views on the internet with the benefit of anonymity when they are being attacked, understand how to define identity and clique methods in an online surrounding, and more.

You know I gave Sandeep some promo stuff recently to promote my EP at his college. Even though he lives in the same area as me, I ended up mailing it him rather than giving it to him in person, because, and this is a quote from him - "I'm scared of you."

Through nothing more than ASCII characters and words, I've stirred up the strongest emotions in people from hate, to anger, to resentment, to fear. And conversely, from others I've inspired loyalty and respect. It's all just interesting to me and I don't really have any way of utilising the knowledge (yet) but knowledge is always useful.

So anyone who thinks I'm simply making excuses is free to think that - because I know the knowledge and the perspective I've gained from it, and that's all I set out to do in the first place.



At least you take the time to write a detailed critical post, rather than just making random cusses occasionally and then quoting someone else that writes the thing you couldn't be bothered to write yourself and adds their own YEAH LOL I AGREE CASEY SUXX0RZ ROFL! comment underneath it.

Lol, I assume that last paragraph was directed at me. Well, stop being such a poon. I was merely doing to you what you do to almost everyone else (I think I'm like one of two people that always got what you were doing and loved it btw.)

But really, this is a forum bro. Why the all pseudo psycho analytical nonsense

 

[ArtsyGirl]

Just for the record:

Masta > {insert anything here}

bitches.

hehe that made me think of this song:

 

[ill-matic]

^^ lol wtf?? i dont see any connection there

 

[ArtsyGirl]

ok, SiGh sticking up for masta.. man love..


its assessment week and I'm running on such little sleep at the moment, I blame that.

 

[masta247]

Just for the record:

Masta > {insert anything here}

bitches.

how sweet :love:

You're my hero.

 

[Casey]

Lol, I assume that last paragraph was directed at me. Well, stop being such a poon. I was merely doing to you what you do to almost everyone else (I think I'm like one of two people that always got what you were doing and loved it btw.)

It wasn't actually directed at you lol! There's a couple of people that do it quite regularly but you weren't one of them I was thinking of.

 

[_carmi]

Being famous in only certain communities doesn't equate not being a rockstar, or not being mainstream, especially not when there's a billion of us. There are more of us than there are of you. You are only speaking from the limited western north american perspective.

There is almost literally NO-ONE that is a star worldwide, in every country.

Michael Jackson. Prince. Madonna. Elvis.

That's more or less it. So according to you those people are the only ever true stars, ever?

Your definition of worldwide mainstream is flawed. Mainstream is relative to your country, your community, a whole range of things.

Let's take Shania Twain for example. She's one of the biggest musical stars ever in terms of record sales. She made the biggest selling album of the 90's with Come On Over. But she's obsessed with Indian culture and art. So she decides she wants to make an album of Indian music. Her songs, but instead of the backing music being country/pop, she wants Indian music. She wants this album to do well in India and many other markets worldwide where country isn't popular.

Who does she call to produce the album? I'll give you a clue - they are my two cousins and one is the leader behind my band.

That album "Up!" - a double CD containing the country/pop mixes on CD1 and the Indian mixes on CD2 sold 16 million records and is the biggest selling album of this decade. Yes, my cousin produced one of the 2 CD's that form the biggest selling album of this decade. It sells a shit ton of records in India and she realised her dream of being "mainstream" in India. But it took someone else that was already "mainstream" in India to do it.

You're correct that there are many artists on major labels who don't "make it". But some of them might disagree, because everyone has a different view of what "making it" entails.

There are many who would consider that I have "made it" by virtue of the things I have done - touring the world many times, filling large venues, collaborating with other well known artists, having our music videos on MTV, headlining the MTV awards, having songs in movies, having celebrity fans like Mary Kate and Ashley (who personally handpicked one of our songs for their debut Hollywood movie, having songs in massive video games like the FIFA game that masta mentioned. I don't consider I've made it to where I want to because I'm the type of person who is never satisfied. I have a goal that I haven't reached yet, of winning a Grammy. Perhaps when I do that, my goal will increase to winning more Grammys, or something else. It's a moving target. But I've already achieved more than the vast majority of professional musicians, most of whom who have been in the industry a lot longer than me. That's down to my hard work ethic but I've also been fortunate, and insightful enough to recognise when there are potential opportunities and work to maximise them.

YOU might not consider me mainstream and popular in the world and surroundings that YOU live in. But let me tell you a specific story that has a special place in my heart. A couple of years ago, someone sent me a link to a video on YouTube. This video was of an 7 or 8 year old boy in India. In the video he was playing one of our songs, and dancing and singing along. He sang the Indian lyrics and he sang one of my rap verses on the song. Anyway, we got in contact with the kid, phoned his parents up and they told us he was a huge fan, he ripped out press articles about us from newspapers in India and had them on his wall. We ended up talking to the kid and it was the best day of his life. This kid literally idolized us, and so did all his friends. We were (and still might be) their absolute favorite band, they'd go wild every time they saw us on MTV, etc. He loved us as much as I loved MJ when I was his age, and I had MJ stuff all over my walls.

I'd like to see you try and tell this kid that I'm not a rock star. It's all completely relative.

See you might have a perception of me as some arrogant asshole who's music doesn't mean anything to you and your community, but don't make the mistake of thinking you speak for anyone else outside of your community. Furthermore, you judge me on what I show on this board which represents a very small part of me as a person.

You don't hear me talking about stories like I just mentioned, and I don't talk about the charity work we do (because I don't believe in charity for the sake of PR, it's better to be anonymous).

It's fine though, because nobody should have to try to make or force people to like them. I'm not an egomaniac because I really don't care about things like that. A little perspective is all you need though, before you begin bashing me and saying "well, they don't play your music on the radio station I listen to or the TV channel I watch so therefore it's not important". It's a close-minded local attitude, and I don't think that's who you are in real life.

I generalized. Clearly you should have sensed that. And I know it's a matter of perspective. Everything is.

But props for going to see the kid. That's real nice. I'm sure you're a nice guy in the real world but fuck do you get on my nerves sometimes when you post.