What should I study?

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Hey, I'm facing a serious problem in my life, deciding what do I want to study. Our education system is a bit different so I'll try to make it easier to understand for American people with exception that we have to choose our "specializations" before even getting to college, each specialization requires different subjects passed on test, and differ in many aspects including how popular, useful and interesting they are.
For example specializations are like: Logistics, geology, IT, sociology, psychology etc. After second year of studies you have to choose like "specialization of specialization" like if you're on geology it'd be geology of oceans, lands, mining etc.

I'm doing my last year in "high school" and have few days to decide which subjects do I want to write test from (we have big high school ending tests in may 2008, results of those test decide on whether I'll be able to study in my choosen college or on selected specialization or not). I also have to decide to write those subjects in basic or advanced form.
Polish and English is needed anyway so that's not a matter, tho I'm not sure about basic or advanced english (test is quite easy considering the fact that only about 2% of Polish population speaks english on basic level and it's youth mostly, I'm not sure how good I am in english really, I'm confused)

The problem is I really like Geography and quite like Biology but there's no college that combines both subjects, there is one I really find nice that requires either biology or geography and it's something like environmental college etc. and it's 3rd best in Poland, I've visited it and I quite liked it.
I'm better at geography but most interesting specializations require biology instead of geography. I'm sure I'll write that test from advanced geography simply because I enjoy it, I'm not sure should I write basic biology as it's quite hard even on low level, I probably won't get enough points to get there anyway so I don't know if there's any reason to even try as it would require really many weeks of studying, 30% is required to pass that test, I think about 70-80% would be the minimum to get there and that would be hard to achieve.. so should I even try?
Yeah I already see answers like "ask yourself do you really want to study there that much" but it's not something I'm really desperate to get. I just find those specializations nice and I think I'd enjoy studying them.
That school is free btw. no money needed and is rather nice


Then there is another school I thinked of for a long time. It's the best IT school in Poland, one of the best in the world.
It's a "Polish-Japanese university of computer technologies".
It's quite expensive but I could handle it. I could easily get there (the school is mostly like "you have the money, we'll give you a try, if you're good enough you can stay") but there are 4 specializations there including 2 I consider : first one is IT and the other one is a new specialization - Information management, most elements of IT but easier, a tiny bit less respected but still really reputable specialization mostly because it's in great school.
I'd have a possibility to study there. First specialization requires passed maths on that test in may or their own maths exam which is actually a bit easier than the first one. Also if I wouldn't pass maths on that may exam I'd be literally fucked (officially I wouldn't finish high school and go to the military), but if I'd decide not to even try passing math on them I could later write this school's own exams and they would decide on my existence in that school (this option would generate extra stress later instead).
The second specialization doesn't require any exams passed as it's a new specialization in that school. The problem starts when I'll tell yall that I hate maths, I like computers etc. I'd like to study IT because it'd give me a great start in the future
but I'm really weak in maths (I mean not THAT weak but maths and IT in Poland is on the worlds highest level).
The second specialization is a bit less hard, I'd have to study the hell out of me, study 10 hours/day for 3.5 years in that school, shitload of work plus this school isn't cheap.

First specialization - IT requires that I'll choose maths on that test in May and pass it or to pass their exam later, is hard as fuck, expensive, shitloads of maths

Second specialization - Information management (mostly like IT but differs a bit) doesn't require any test passed from me, still is expensive, is hard too with shitloads of maths too but actually slightly easier than first specialization but a bit less respected later.
I mean if I'll ever search for a job in the future after the first specialization I'll have a great job instantly, after the second one I'd be interviewed for a longer time, boss will not be sure because I finished a perfect IT school but I took just second best specialization.

There is also a risk I won't handle any of those above because shitloads of work and maths will be too much for my humanisticly trained brain (I attend to a high school with humanistic emphasis). Literally I'd work harder then an Asian because I'd also have a LOT to study to catch up with others.
Also as I said this school is easy to be accepted to but hard to handle later.


I know it's all really complicated but it's even more complicated for me. I don't want to hear "you have to think will you be able to handle that" any more. It's a risk I'm not quite sure about. I've been lazy for a long time but I've got a big motivation to be somebody in the future. The second school would really help me to achieve that, especially on IT specialization but it's the hardest option. I haven't even prepared to it yet, haven't studied maths much, since elementary school I'm always "C" in maths.


The first "environmental-like" school is something I feel good at, I am good at, It's free, has about 30 specialization and it's harder to get accepted but easier to handle. Few specializations require Geography which I will pass anyway but most interesting ones require Biology instead - I'm average in it but I quite enjoy. With geography only I could still study economics, logistics and management which is fair enough but adding biology would give me much more, including some interesting specializations to choose from.
But I'd have 90% of chance to be accepted on one of those few geography related because I'm good at it while having much lower chances to get accepted on any biology related ones, let's say a 50% chance that I'll be accepted on any from about 20 biology oriented specializations.
This school is less respected than the second school but still quite respected as it's 3rd best in Poland but it's like..you know.. just not anything special. I'd be like any other guy who finished an above-average university.

I'm really confused, if you read everything can you please help me to make up my decision? I know it's not the same in here and in America or anywhere else but I also considered moving abroad in the future. What would you do in my situation?

Untill the end of this week I have to tell which subjects do I want to pass and I'll have 7 months to study.
Polish (basic) and English (basic or average?) are needed.
Then I have to choose at least one other subject. I'm sure about advanced geography, but I'm not sure about biology (basic) and maybe basic maths (but I think this one would be too risky, even if I decided to study IT in that Polish-Japanese thing I'd rather pass their own exams which are easier but more stressing, but on the other hand passing maths test would give me 100% chance of getting on IT without those exams. But if I'll fail that maths test I'd be fucked and go to military without possibility to study. what do you think?)
The more subjects I'll choose the more time I'd have to spend studying and actually I'll need to split it between all those subjects. If I won't pass even one of them I'll be fucked.

So it's like a school I would enjoy, rather easier but harder to get (especially on more interesting specializations that require biology), that would teach me things I find nice and interesting but on the other hand a less respected, just another above-average university that is free and could save me some money I collected for that purpose.

vs.

Really special university, fully respected, giving me perfect job possibilities, much easier to get there but really hard to handle, really expensive but I could handle it, with shitloads of highest maths (considering I'm weak at maths and would have months of non stop work to make up on their level - like being weak at maths to being good at highest maths in just a year and then study really a lot to keep up with material).
I know after finishing it I'd have a giant satisfaction and perfect job possibilities as I said before but studying there would be really hard.
If I decided to get there I'd still have a problem - to choose IT - The harder one, with more maths but more respected, also requires math test passed or their own exam later to study there..
or
information management - slightly easier, with a bit less maths but still shitloads, a bit less respected but not needing any exams to study there.

Sorry for writing so much, it might be hard to understand as our system is different than yours. I know it's a bit complicated but I tried to make everything quite clear.
Also sorry if I repeated myself somewhere but I'm really stressed about that decision and I tried to make myself clear, I hope somebody will read this and help me please.
 
I checked out some universities when I was out there and still studying, plus I was fucking two girls at two different campuses out there haha. I liked the Polish/Jap one.

Which was the one with the big green library that you could go on the roof? Nice view.

For you, do you have any passion in IT? At all? Just stick with what you like man...
 
All i can tell you is what Rukas already said. Stick to what you really like the most.

Even if it means less money than your other options. In the end you'll be going to work happy. That's a lot more important than doing a job you don't like half heartedly.
 
I checked out some universities when I was out there and still studying, plus I was fucking two girls at two different campuses out there haha. I liked the Polish/Jap one.

Which was the one with the big green library that you could go on the roof? Nice view.

For you, do you have any passion in IT? At all? Just stick with what you like man...

The one with a library and the nice roof is UW, "biggest" university in Warsaw. The environmental university I'm considering is in Ursynow actually :) it has a really huge campus.

I like IT, I like computers, any electronic gadgets etc. but I'm not a nerd or anything like that. I don't like maths and I'm really weak with it. So I like IT but don't like maths. Most IT learning= maths unfortunately but after I'll finish that uni I'd be really good.
 
only you can decide what you want. I know that doesn't help but it's the truth. It's your decision. period.
good luck.
 
The one with a library and the nice roof is UW, "biggest" university in Warsaw. The environmental university I'm considering is in Ursynow actually :) it has a really huge campus.

I like IT, I like computers, any electronic gadgets etc. but I'm not a nerd or anything like that. I don't like maths and I'm really weak with it. So I like IT but don't like maths. Most IT learning= maths unfortunately but after I'll finish that uni I'd be really good.

Ursynow, hahah, my old hood. Is it the one that has an overpass sort of thing in front of it or is that Politechnika or a totally different one?

Man Id kill to go back to Poland for a bit and live there, really.

Next time you're up that way get off at Natolin station and take some photos for me man...
 
Ursynow, hahah, my old hood. Is it the one that has an overpass sort of thing in front of it or is that Politechnika or a totally different one?

Man Id kill to go back to Poland for a bit and live there, really.

Next time you're up that way get off at Natolin station and take some photos for me man...

No there's no overpass near it.
I regularry go swimming in Politechnika's swimming pool, it's about 10 stations from ursynów :)
you lived somewhere in Natolin?? That's where I grew up, my father lives 100m from the Natolin station and I was also living there when I was a kid.
I'm doing a driving course in Natolin btw. so I'm there nearly every day now :thumb:
If you would tell me exactly what buildings/things you want pics of I could take few.
 
No there's no overpass near it.
I regularry go swimming in Politechnika's swimming pool, it's about 10 stations from ursynów :)
you lived somewhere in Natolin?? That's where I grew up, my father lives 100m from the Natolin station and I was also living there when I was a kid.
I'm doing a driving course in Natolin btw. so I'm there nearly every day now :thumb:
If you would tell me exactly what buildings/things you want pics of I could take few.

I lived in the building right next to the forest. Not the closest one to the station (the one with the comic store at the bottom), but the one behind that with the video/dvd store on one side and fruit and veg store on the other side.

8th floor, corner apartment. I used to party all up and down them blocks with diff girls.

I miss Warsaw so much man, we'd walk home from the club or whatever, catch the metro, and on the way home there'd be a different party in each block.

I gotta go back man, I really miss Warsaw.
 
i think you have to figure this out on your own man because no one can decide for you....do something you like ofcourse...but if i were you...go see a school counciller...get some information booklets....and you don't have to do something like be a doctor if you don't want to...look at yourself...don't look at what other people are doing or any of ur friends are doing because everyone is in school for themselves. let your motivation be getting a good education and getting lots of money...because in the end it will pay off. its not as easy as i make it sound....but find something...do a diploma or whatever u know....do something u like...but also something that will pay you and that u will have a job in.....and don't worry if something is too hard and u can't get it the first few times because everything is hard..u just have to try (that what my mom told me)...so don't worry man u will find something...i havent read ur whole post but from the thread title....this is my reply and this is what u should do man.
 
I lived in the building right next to the forest. Not the closest one to the station (the one with the comic store at the bottom), but the one behind that with the video/dvd store on one side and fruit and veg store on the other side.

8th floor, corner apartment. I used to party all up and down them blocks with diff girls.

I miss Warsaw so much man, we'd walk home from the club or whatever, catch the metro, and on the way home there'd be a different party in each block.

I gotta go back man, I really miss Warsaw.


They built new blocks even closer to the forest. They still keep building more and more there. You lived on Belgradzka street maybe? Somewhere near a market/ big vegetable shop Globi? lol There are few video/dvd stores there. I'll be there on Wednesday so I'll check out.
 
i think you have to figure this out on your own man because no one can decide for you....do something you like ofcourse...but if i were you...go see a school counciller...get some information booklets....and you don't have to do something like be a doctor if you don't want to...look at yourself...don't look at what other people are doing or any of ur friends are doing because everyone is in school for themselves. let your motivation be getting a good education and getting lots of money...because in the end it will pay off. its not as easy as i make it sound....but find something...do a diploma or whatever u know....do something u like...but also something that will pay you and that u will have a job in.....and don't worry if something is too hard and u can't get it the first few times because everything is hard..u just have to try (that what my mom told me)...so don't worry man u will find something...i havent read ur whole post but from the thread title....this is my reply and this is what u should do man.

Yeah I know but anyway I'm stuck.

Come to think of it it's like:

above average uni but quite interesting and easy to handle because it's mostly geography and biology which I'm good at.
vs.
great uni, quite interesting but with shitloads of maths I don't like and I'm not sure I will handle. Level is very high there but finishing this school would profit more in the future, I would have a good start to get a great job.
 
Yeah I know but anyway I'm stuck.

Come to think of it it's like:

above average uni but quite interesting and easy to handle because it's mostly geography and biology which I'm good at.
vs.
great uni, quite interesting but with shitloads of maths I don't like and I'm not sure I will handle. Level is very high there but finishing this school would profit more in the future, I would have a good start to get a great job.

well if ur having doubts about it don't go into it in the first place....it depends i guess...but theres lots of stuff with no math in it...im in the same boat as u i dont like math either...business is always good tho...a lot of ppl go into business management and things like that....it's not too complicated
 
well if ur having doubts about it don't go into it in the first place....it depends i guess...but theres lots of stuff with no math in it...im in the same boat as u i dont like math either...business is always good tho...a lot of ppl go into business management and things like that....it's not too complicated

yeah but on that good school I'm thinking about there's just IT and information management with 50-80% of maths there.

And that's the only math related school I'm even thinking about just because it's really good and I have possibilities to go there.

The other school I'm thinking about is a bit worse and except biological science there's business management and logistics there but I'm not that much into it. I know there's nearly 100% I could go there and easily graduate but having their diploma is nothing that special. I'd be just slightly above average. Except that their biggest advantage except that they're easier and location is better is that they're free.
That IT school is expensive but still I could handle it, it's just that I could spend that money on something else if I studied for free.
 
yeah that is one fucked up system. over here you finish high school, then you worry about uni. but you can wait for years if you want to, and when you go to uni you select one thing to major in, be it psychology or medicine or what have you. then you are taught a variety of subjects within those respective fields over several years, then you become an intern, then you get a job. i don't have much insight into polish welfare and standards, but how do you see the IT market developing there? What I know for Norway is the following: having any type of IT schooling is worthless and gets you nowhere because so many people got them.

now I know Norwegian and Polish welfare are two completely different things, and I say that as respectfully as humanly possible, but do you really see a future in IT? you say you'll get a job instantly, do you know this is a fact for network administrators or other type of IT people? And with that IT education, what do you see your day-to-day job consisting of? On a real specific level, what do you expect to be doing on a daily basis when you've finished the IT school? If my questioning sounds demeaning, I'm not doing that intentionally, I'm just trying to see if you've thought about it that deeply. What you choose right now decides what you'll be doing on a daily basis in the future.

Let me tell you about synthetic happiness. How does the relation between Britney Spears going crazy from being a celebrity and having all the money and fame in the world stand in proportion to people who starve to death in the world's meaner areas? Within a distinct frame of mind, you are able to imagine a worst case scenario and a best case scenario for yourself. If a starved Iraqi jobless woman with two children finds a way to cope with her life, you can be damned sure you will, regardless of the choices you make. No matter where you find yourself in life, you will be able to feel happy about certain things. If you're choosing between two things that you more or less wouldn't die from doing, but two things that don't really interest you all that much, the fact of the matter is that the choice is pretty much irrelevant. You'll be equally happy in three years regardless of the choice you make.

My last paragraph came from the fact that you seem to want to chase a career within information technology because you always found computers and gadgets to be great fun, but realistically, information technology is a lot more about coding and configuring than it is playing with cool things lol. Biology, on the other hand, is something completely different. Or geology, if it wasn't geography you mentioned? Both fields seem quite interesting. Imagine being a geological researcher, using data to create 3-dimensional maps of where to drill to make oil rigs for example.

Be more specific about what you expect from the different choices you have, or why some of the choices make you reluctant. I understand you're not too jacked up on maths. I can only give you the advice I'd want myself, but seriously, if it's something you think you'll have to work REALLY hard to achieve, and you're unsure whether you'll make it or not, meh.. I'd rather get told "don't do it" because I'm a weak person. I don't know you all that well though.
 
Thank you very much for your reply Preach.

IT is actually the most "premium" specialization here, also the school I'm considering is the best in Poland, one of the world's finest, it's sponsored by Japanese government.

It's because Polish informatics and mathematics are on really great level and they usually get contracts with international companies like Microsoft, Creative, Nvidia etc, emigrate to America and there's nobody left here to work. Poland has many computer companies and there's still not enough people to work. And young people rarely decide to study IT, it's on the very end compared to other specializations because it's hard.

Whenever I looked on the net for job offers literally 80% of them are IT related, mostly graphics, coding and stuff like that tho.

I also have no idea on information management. It's something like IT but easier. Is it popular abroad?

On that other school there are: logistics, business management, tourism (most popular specialization with no future) and economy - they all need just geography.

I just realised that even if I decided to write my test from biology I wouldn't have enough points to study biological specializations.

So there's only IT and information management, eventually there's also Japanese culture on that Polish-Japanese maths related uni vs. logistics, business management, tourism and economy that require geography on that slightly worse free uni.

It's free because it's a national university.

The worst thing is that I don't have a passion I could follow and study something I'd really love. I think I like everything on similar level except the fact that I hate things like Chemistry. I'm sure I'd like to work harder in college to have an easier job in the future that would pay me enough money to support myself, my family, that wouldn't take all my time, earn me a quite respectable possition and give me at least some fun.
Now I have no idea what would be fun to me.
I'm not the type who likes to work with a large group of people, I can lead a group, I can work with a small group of intelligent people but for example I couldn't work as a shopkeeper (which I did and hated) I couldn't be a touristic guide telling dumb people what is where etc.
So the worst thing is I know I like few things but don't have anything favorite, anything I'd really love to do.

I also know that IT is not about cool gadgets and stuff like that, that it's mostly about boring algorthms, boring statistics, maths etc. but maybe I'd give me easier job that wouldn't require doing all that terrible stuff.

I've been reading about all specializations on the internet and found out that most doesn't interest me at all. Those interesting are either too hard to get to (require too many points from subjects I'm not interested with) or too far (other cities - bad universities)

I also consider moving abroad after college (standards in Poland are below-average, I'm also quite good at english, Polish people usually doesn't speak english and that's the only reason why they stay here) so I'd be interested what's worth more there. Do they even respect good foreign universities they probably don't know anyway? What specializations from mentioned above would be most respected and the best in your country?

thanks for help :thumb:
 
yeah the way things are in the IT market in your country sounds opposite to norway sort of. it's stagnated here. there's little money to be made. you're better off with a different specialization here.

one thing i want to pick at is your seeming ideology that you put in work now to be spared later in life. imo this is not a good way of thinking because it builds anticipation and expectation that is not only misguided and based on nothing but your own assumptions since you have yet to live a full life and watch it play out, but it's guaranteed to bite you in the ass. life is always gonna suck. people are always gonna fuck you over, and you're always gonna feel like you're doing more than you receive credit for. this is why it's usual for grown ups to sport a way more cynical attitude than younger people. our generation is all about peace and understanding, while our parents say no one is to be trusted and the world is a dirty place. i say it's out parents' generation that is dirty in all of this, but that's a different thread altogether. i'm just trying to connect some dots for you. if you think putting in work now is gonna give you a nice, problem-less job life in the future, you are fooling yourself and that's not good because when you come to the point where you expect your life to become easier and find it isn't getting any easier, or not in the way you had thought, you feel betrayed by god, by the universe, by yourself, whatever you choose to believe in. but the fact that things didn't play out as nicely as you had thought prior is gonna manifest in negative emotions and thoughts, that much is certain.

now as to your interests, they really put you in a tight spot. how old are you? when i was 17-19 i had the same idea sort of. the things i wanted were too hard and required better grades than what i had, and the things i could do didn't really interest me all that much. at best, i'd think of option X as "okay, for a time". it took me three years after high school to finally feel ready. well it's gonna be three years when i move to study next year. but it took me two years to feel somewhat certain in what i want to do. you don't seem to have the luxury of just messing about for a few more years before you decide though, and that's fucked up i guess but you're just gonna have to make the best of it i guess.

i know some it people, some work as network administrators at schools for example, and their day-to-day jobs involve setting up firewalls and other applications that block websites and functions, setting up each individual computer in the school to authenticate and connect to the main server, fixing any errors or troubles that occur along the way, basically managing all the electronic computer equipment in the school. they use the ridiculous internet connection the school has to download shit with their own laptop while they're working and probably over night too lol. so that's a nice benefit. all in all, they make a decent salary but not enough to live a wealthy life.

since poland and norway are two different animals, i can't really say or assume what your day to day job would be. the fact that you struggle to find something that interests you is too bad really, and i don't know how to overcome that to be honest. not yet anyway. from your second post, IT does sound most reasonable for you though if that helps.
 
Yep :D Belgradzka, right outside Natolin Metro.

There's a bookstore in that block right?
I lived like 70 meters from there on Zabinskiego street :D
My father still lives there

They're doing a renovation there so I can take some pictures when it will be done. There's a huge political thing going on now in Warsaw and they're renovating everything. I think 40% of major roads are closed.

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Thanks for your answer Preach. Your first answer made me think a lot and this will probably too. I know it's not that beautiful that I'll graduate, get a good job and be a boss. I'm just thinking that this IT school will give me better job possibilities, even if I will have to work in a small company fixing bugs I will have an average paying job with a huge chance to find something better. I think it wouldn't be too interesting tho.
That environmental school is slightly worse but requires more to get there.
On the other hand it interests me more but will offer worse job perspectives.
I think specializations I could take are: logistics, biology, something like business management, economy (doesn't interest me much), forestry (interesting specialization but I guess no job here, maybe it would be good if I emigrated to Canada or something), gardening, agriculture and tourism (interesting but milions of poles studies it these days = no job in it)

So I think I decided to write biology and geography tests + advanced english and try to go to that environmental school, if my results will be too low to get onto any interesting specialization I will go to that IT school and have shitloads of maths to study.

I think even if it might give me kinda worse possibilities later it's better to do something that really interests me, I enjoy doing and is free ;) It's a top 3 Polish university anyway.
That IT school is easy to get to so it will be my plan B

PS. I'm 19 so I know I may regret my decisions later but I try to do something I enjoy the most now.
 

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