Tired All the Time

[tHuG $TyLe]

i don't eat meat because of some deeper understanding of how good it is for me, i put it in my mouth, it tastes nice, i chew it, it feels nice.

Thats because you are insecure.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

Btw PurelyPac don't read this thread again. This will increase your tiredness.

 

[Bender]

Regular exercise makes one feel more energetic.

 

[Casey]

yeh.. sorry if i trust thousands of other nutritionists over this one guy. yeh i must be real stupid for doing that!

show me quotes from thousands of other nutritionists that refute what Dr. T Colin Campbell is saying, then.

and i feel much healthier after ive had a good steak. not too mention i lick my fingers after munching down a nice medium rare peice of meat. but who gives a shit?

good for you. as long as you're comfortable with the thought of you being killed and eaten by any number of wild animal. i'm sure they'd feel a lot better after shitting out parts of your undigested corpse.

Rubbish. Why is this rubbish? Because it has been proven right. Thousands of nutritionists and scientists are suddenly wrong because you pulled out some stats off a random dude. This draws parallels to the whole climate change debate - some agree, some don't, despite there being evidence which essentially supports both sides of the coin. The difference here is that you completely discredit the benefits of eating meat as being bullshit, which is just a complete crock of crap.

again with the thousands and thousands, millions, billions. everyone knows it, it must be a fact, i don't question things for myself, i am a sheep, cos you know, you are what you eat.


show me your conclusive proof and evidence from these thousands of scientists. meat is both physically bad for you and spiritually soul sucking.

here's some more reading for you:

While carnivores take pleasure in killing animals and eating their raw flesh, any human who killed an animal with his or her bare hands and dug into the raw corpse would be considered deranged.

Carnivorous animals are aroused by the scent of blood and the thrill of the chase. Most humans, on the other hand, are revolted by the sight of raw flesh and cannot tolerate hearing the screams of animals being ripped apart and killed. The bloody reality of eating animals is innately repulsive to us, more proof that we were not designed to eat meat.

Ask yourself: When you see dead animals on the side of the road, are you tempted to stop for a snack? Does the sight of a dead bird make you salivate? Do you daydream about killing cows with your bare hands and eating them raw? If you answered "no" to all of these questions, congratulations—you're a normal human herbivore—like it or not. Humans were simply not designed to eat meat. Humans lack both the physical characteristics of carnivores and the instinct that drives them to kill animals and devour their raw carcasses.

If we were meant to eat meat, why is it killing us?


Dr. William C. Roberts, M.D., editor of the authoritative American Journal of Cardiology, sums it up this way:

"Although we think we are one and we act as if we are one, human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores."

Studies have shown that even when fed 200 times the amount of animal fat and cholesterol that the average human consumes each day, carnivores do not develop the hardening of the arteries that leads to heart disease and strokes in humans.Indeed, researchers have found that it is impossible for carnivores to develop hardening of the arteries, no matter how much animal fat they consume.

Carnivores are capable of metabolizing all the fat and cholesterol in meat, but humans are a different story: Our bodies were not designed to process animal flesh, so all the excess fat and cholesterol from a meat-based diet makes us sick. Heart disease, for example, is the number one cause of death in America according to the American Heart Association, and medical experts agree that this ailment is the result of the consumption of animal products. In fact, meat-eaters have a 50 percent higher risk of developing heart disease than vegetarians, and a low-fat, completely vegetarian diet has been repeatedly used to unclog the arteries of heart disease patients—it not only prevents but also treats the disease!

Eating meat can also have negative consequences for stamina and sexual potency. One Danish study indicated that "Men peddling on a stationary bicycle until muscle failure lasted an average of 114 minutes on a mixed meat and vegetable diet, 57 minutes on a high-meat diet, and a whopping 167 minutes on a strict vegetarian diet." Besides having increased physical endurance, vegans are also less likely to suffer from impotence.

Since we don't have strong stomach acids like carnivores to kill all the bacteria in meat, dining on animal flesh can also give us food poisoning. In fact, according to the USDA, meat is the cause of 70 percent of foodborne illnesses in the United States because it's often contaminated with dangerous bacteria like E. coli, listeria, and campylobacter. Every year in the United States alone, food poisoning sickens over 75 million people and kills more than 5,000. While carnivores can process all the saturated fat, protein, and bacteria in animal flesh, a meat-based diet can send humans to an early grave. Clearly, people were not intended to eat meat.



If it's so unhealthy and unnatural for humans to eat meat, why did our ancestors turn to animal flesh for sustenance?

During most of our evolutionary history, we were largely vegetarian. You could probably figure this out by noting that all the great apes, our closest living relatives, are also predominantly herbivorous. Like apes, our bodies evolved to eat fruits, nuts, and vegetables.

Harvard anthropologist Richard Wrangham and his colleagues first explained that root vegetables—and the ability to cook them—prompted the evolution of large brains, smaller teeth, modern limb proportions, and even male-female bonding. Plant foods like potatoes made up the bulk of our ancestors' diet and spurred our advancement as a species.

Dr. T. Colin Campbell, the former senior science advisor to the American Institute for Cancer Research, is outspoken on the diet/disease connection. He says, 'The vast majority of all cancers, cardiovascular diseases, and other forms of degenerative illness can be prevented simply by adopting a plant-based diet.'"

William Castelli, M.D. says: "A low-fat, plant-based diet would not only lower the heart attack rate about 85 percent, but would lower the cancer rate 60 percent."

Our anatomy reveals that we are herbivores, as does our natural aversion to meat and the fact that it is harmful to our health. Meat-eaters are out of step with our evolutionary past. Our closest living relatives—the great apes—and ancestral human populations are and have been predominately vegetarian. They may eat the occasional rodent and some raw bugs, but the vast majority of their caloric intake is herbivorous. The key to human health lies in adopting a diet that is consistent with their anatomy and evolutionary history.

Luckily for us, it has never been easier to eat a vegetarian diet. Modern society has been able to provide a healthy vegetarian alternative for all of our favorite meat-based dishes, and more and more restaurants and grocery stores are offering delicious meat-free options.

i can go on all day. but let's just say, i also trust a man you may have heard of. a man who's very name has become synonmous with high intellect, even genius. a man by the name of Albert Einstein.

Calling me insecure simply because i accused your jibber jabber of being sanctimonious is just weak. I'm very much secure, but i didnt put forward a mature, articulate point because i spoke on impulse which was prompted by my annoyance and frustration after reading your posts. but LOL @ you doing the whole psycho-analysis on me just like you did with preach when he disagreed with you :thumb:

did I call you insecure? if the sports bra fits, wear it. "i didn't put forward a mature point, because [insert reasoning]." whatever you say homeslice. you don't need to justify your frustrations to me. maybe if you didn't consume so much carcass you wouldn't be an annoyed, frustrated individual.
:thumb: <------- insert thumb emoticon to to end the post with a laid back, fonz-esque gesture to seem as if i don't actually care that much.

 

[jflballer]

WHY ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT MEAT?? Humans are omnivores you (idiots)...

AND IF YOU ARE TIRED - GO PLAY A GAME (basketball, football, whatev) & GET EXERCISE you will feel so much better I guarantee it.

 

[S. Fourteen]

I think WoW is a big factor in all of this.

 

[ill-matic]

what a deluded idiot. you're not a very open minded fellow are you.

While carnivores take pleasure in killing animals and eating their raw flesh, any human who killed an animal with his or her bare hands and dug into the raw corpse would be considered deranged.

Carnivorous animals are aroused by the scent of blood and the thrill of the chase. Most humans, on the other hand, are revolted by the sight of raw flesh and cannot tolerate hearing the screams of animals being ripped apart and killed. The bloody reality of eating animals is innately repulsive to us, more proof that we were not designed to eat meat.

Ask yourself: When you see dead animals on the side of the road, are you tempted to stop for a snack? Does the sight of a dead bird make you salivate? Do you daydream about killing cows with your bare hands and eating them raw? If you answered "no" to all of these questions, congratulations—you're a normal human herbivore—like it or not. Humans were simply not designed to eat meat. Humans lack both the physical characteristics of carnivores and the instinct that drives them to kill animals and devour their raw carcasses

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Where the fuck did you pull such tripe from? Who wrote this? It appears as if it's written by some pro-vegetarian/anti-meat crusader. I mean, what the fuck? Since when have humans been categorised as carnivores? Let me help you out a little bit here:

Omnivores: Omnivores are organisms that consume both plants and animals.

The second paragraph SCREAMS bias. What is the point of including all that emotional pathos in this article? Obviously the person who wrote this has some hidden agenda if he is trying to delve into the depths of human emotion by trying to force the reader to develop some form of a guilty consience for consuming meat. What a load of crap.

If we were meant to eat meat, why is it killing us?


Dr. William C. Roberts, M.D., editor of the authoritative American Journal of Cardiology, sums it up this way:

"Although we think we are one and we act as if we are one, human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores."

Studies have shown that even when fed 200 times the amount of animal fat and cholesterol that the average human consumes each day, carnivores do not develop the hardening of the arteries that leads to heart disease and strokes in humans.Indeed, researchers have found that it is impossible for carnivores to develop hardening of the arteries, no matter how much animal fat they consume.

Carnivores are capable of metabolizing all the fat and cholesterol in meat, but humans are a different story: Our bodies were not designed to process animal flesh, so all the excess fat and cholesterol from a meat-based diet makes us sick. Heart disease, for example, is the number one cause of death in America according to the American Heart Association, and medical experts agree that this ailment is the result of the consumption of animal products. In fact, meat-eaters have a 50 percent higher risk of developing heart disease than vegetarians, and a low-fat, completely vegetarian diet has been repeatedly used to unclog the arteries of heart disease patients—it not only prevents but also treats the disease!

Umm what? Obviously if your diet consists of ONLY meat and NOTHING else (which is precisely what a carnivore is) then ofcourse that will not have healthy outcomes. Though i fail to see how this argument is valid in any form seeing as humans are not a carnivorous species. As OMNIVORES we consume foods of BOTH the plant and meat variety, and as such the metabolism, digestion systems of our bodies cannot be thrown into the same category as carnivores. Because meat is the sole component of their diet, of course their bodies will be able to tolerate the amount of meat consumed. As omnivores we can't just have a diet consisting of just meat - a healthy diet consists of eating both plants and meats because that is what our bodies have adapted to over the evolutionary process. Although a Vegan diet can subsititute for any meat product due to its nutritional value, discounting meat as having absolutely no benefits is just entirely stupid.

Eating meat can also have negative consequences for stamina and sexual potency. One Danish study indicated that "Men peddling on a stationary bicycle until muscle failure lasted an average of 114 minutes on a mixed meat and vegetable diet, 57 minutes on a high-meat diet, and a whopping 167 minutes on a strict vegetarian diet." Besides having increased physical endurance, vegans are also less likely to suffer from impotence.

Lol. Come on, one little thing like this and it completely sways your opinion? Oh please, these "studies" are subject to too many variables, and for that reason cannot be deemed as completely credible. I thought even you would question something like this, but i guess ANYTHING that suits your ideology you will wholeheartedly agree with, even if it potentially contains a dozen inconsistencies.

Since we don't have strong stomach acids like carnivores to kill all the bacteria in meat, dining on animal flesh can also give us food poisoning. In fact, according to the USDA, meat is the cause of 70 percent of foodborne illnesses in the United States because it's often contaminated with dangerous bacteria like E. coli, listeria, and campylobacter. Every year in the United States alone, food poisoning sickens over 75 million people and kills more than 5,000. While carnivores can process all the saturated fat, protein, and bacteria in animal flesh, a meat-based diet can send humans to an early grave. Clearly, people were not intended to eat meat.

So wait, a few people get food poisoning and that meats that "clearly people were not intended to eat meat." ? Are you fucking kidding me? Why the hell did you even bold that last part? Would you laugh in my face if i said that a strictly vegan diet would leave you open to certain pesticides which, consumed in large quantities, can be very harmful to your health? Yeh you probably would laugh at me. Food poisoning can occur with any food. If you eat a shitty quality product, then you will have to bare the brunt of it. Food poisoninng has nothing to do with the nutritional value of meat. Sorry, but that's another bogus point trying to instill fear into people.

If it's so unhealthy and unnatural for humans to eat meat, why did our ancestors turn to animal flesh for sustenance?

During most of our evolutionary history, we were largely vegetarian. You could probably figure this out by noting that all the great apes, our closest living relatives, are also predominantly herbivorous. Like apes, our bodies evolved to eat fruits, nuts, and vegetables.

Predominately herbivores? The fuck does that mean? It means that their diet consisted of meats. I'd like to point to some shit i dug up on National Geographic, which is a reputable, impartial publication.

Feb 2005 - "Meat-eating has impacted the evolution of the human body, scientists reported today at the American Association for the Advancement of Science's annual meeting in Washington, D.C."

The key difference between chimps and gorillas ecologically is that chimps eat meat and gorillas don't. A total herbivore is able to coexist with an omnivore because they have significantly different diets.

What you quoted simply excludes vital information. It's obvious for what purpose, because this shit is clearly taken out of context or has been manipulated to "de-emphasise" the importance of meat, and to suggest that it was solely fruits and nuts etc that were responsible for the evolutionary development of humans. Bullshit buddy.

 

[ill-matic]

Harvard anthropologist Richard Wrangham and his colleagues first explained that root vegetables—and the ability to cook them—prompted the evolution of large brains, smaller teeth, modern limb proportions, and even male-female bonding. Plant foods like potatoes made up the bulk of our ancestors' diet and spurred our advancement as a species.

See this is exactly what you do. You did a little 5 minute research on google to find something that would fit your argument and suit your sanctimonious stance on this shit.

This shit is inconclusive, and is not substantiated by a solid foundation of evidence. Wrangham admits this below.

Even Wrangham agrees that more evidence is needed. "There hasn't been enough satisfactory archaeology for people to get their teeth into," he says. But he also contends that the more he looks into the question, the more convinced he is of cooking's great importance, even 1.8 million years ago. "What could be more human," he asks, "than the use of fire?"

Nice of you to bring the full picture here. This research is fairly recent, and to USE THIS AS A SOURCE to try shit on my arguments is just ridiculous. Give it a few more years when it becomes more concrete then come back to me.



BTW - How convenient is it that the article you quoted doesn't take into consideration the skepticism surrounding Wranghams dissertations. Nice to see that only the side of the coin that fits the ideological agenda of the article is mentioned, and not even this:

Dr. T. Colin Campbell, the former senior science advisor to the American Institute for Cancer Research, is outspoken on the diet/disease connection. He says, 'The vast majority of all cancers, cardiovascular diseases, and other forms of degenerative illness can be prevented simply by adopting a plant-based diet.'"

William Castelli, M.D. says: "A low-fat, plant-based diet would not only lower the heart attack rate about 85 percent, but would lower the cancer rate 60 percent."

Oh ok.

When humans switched to meat-eating, they triggered a genetic change that enabled better processing of fats, said Stanford, who has worked extensively with gerontologist Caleb Finch of USC.

"We have an obsession today with fat and cholesterol because we can go to the market and stuff ourselves with it," Stanford said. "But as a species we are relatively immune to the harmful effects of fat and cholesterol. Compared to the great apes, we can handle a diet that's high in fat and cholesterol, and the great apes cannot.

"Even though we have all these problems in terms of heart disease as we get older, if you give a gorilla a diet that a meat-loving man might eat in Western society, that gorilla will die when it's in its twenties; a normal life span might be 50. They just can't handle that kind of diet."

Our anatomy reveals that we are herbivores, as does our natural aversion to meat and the fact that it is harmful to our health. Meat-eaters are out of step with our evolutionary past. Our closest living relatives—the great apes—and ancestral human populations are and have been predominately vegetarian. They may eat the occasional rodent and some raw bugs, but the vast majority of their caloric intake is herbivorous. The key to human health lies in adopting a diet that is consistent with their anatomy and evolutionary history.

OUr natural aversion to meats? Since when are we "naturally" averse? You ate meat yourself, and your "aversions" only developed because of some shit you read on the internet. Not natural at all, sorry.

Luckily for us, it has never been easier to eat a vegetarian diet. Modern society has been able to provide a healthy vegetarian alternative for all of our favorite meat-based dishes, and more and more restaurants and grocery stores are offering delicious meat-free options.

What a nice way to end the article:

- Meat eating is SOOO BAD!
- Here is why meat eating is bad
- Luckily, you dont need to eat meat, so switch to VEGAN!

Sounds like a dodgy car-dealership ad. Nice way to push their ideologies using an article filled with more flaws than US foreign policy. It's purely ideologically driven, and the "scientific fact" is just contrived nonsense aimed @ either freaking people out, or convincing naive and gullible people (such as yourself).

 

[Preach]

Thats because you are insecure.

lol..

 

[Da_Funk]

Who really gives a fuck? I mean honestly were all gonna die one day no matter how much you try to prolong it. If someone wants to eat meat or vegan, shut the fuck up and let em. Life is too short to worry over insignificant shit like this.

 

[ARon]

It is pretty significant when it can help make your life not as short.

 

[EDouble]

good for you. as long as you're comfortable with the thought of you being killed and eaten by any number of wild animal. i'm sure they'd feel a lot better after shitting out parts of your undigested corpse.

EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO. SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST

 

[Euphanasia]

I'm taking Illmatic's side in this Illmatic/Militant debate

 

[Jokerman]

Some people are part pitbull and actually require meat.

 

[stefanwzyga]

I'm taking Illmatic's side in this Illmatic/Militant debate

Yep same here.


Veggie drivel bores the fuck outta me! Just throw a cheese burger down yer throat an shut the fuck up(No offence Milli).


If all veggies feel so strongly about the slaughter of animals, then why not also refuse medical attention? as medicine one time or another was cruelly tested on animals?

 

[S. Fourteen]

Just found an interesting article

" Too Clean? Fight Against Germs Fuels Allergy Increase"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience...toocleanfightagainstgermsfuelsallergyincrease

Now, most of us know this already. The more our body fights, the stronger it gets. But why is it interesting? Because it's the same for meat. I work with a girl who grew up without meat because her hippy parents forced that lifestyle on her. She goes into a violent vomiting spree if she consumes any meat. Basically, she lived in a bubble and now she has germs that she never encountered before. (Trust me, she's not a healthy person by any means)

Marc McMorris, a pediatric allergist at the University of Michigan Health System says "We’ve developed a cleanlier lifestyle, and our bodies no longer need to fight germs as much as they did in the past. As a result, the immune system has shifted away from fighting infection to developing more allergic tendencies."

We live in a world where we don't have to hunt. We buy our food. That's probably fine and dandy but what if you were to get stuck on a desert island with a Wilson ball as your companion? Are you going to consuming coconut milk and shrubs or are you going to an animal that you are and hunt for fish? The problem with meat consumption is that there are far too much available. I think it's an issue of unbalanced diet.

Deep down inside, I know I'm better and stronger for eating meat.

PS. Einstein ate meat.

 

[Jokerman]

The problem with meat consumption is that there are far too much available. I think it's an issue of unbalanced diet.

I agree. This shouldn't be a yes meat no meat issue. Meat is food. There's positive and negative things about it, as there are with many non-meat sources of food.

There’s an increasing amount of research that shows there are many health and weight reasons to choose a more vegetarian-based diet. One problem is that most meat eaters are not eating meat because they're health nuts. They're eating it because they grew up that way and like the taste and it's readily available. It's the center of their meals. And that's a probelm, healthwise. Grains or vegetables should be the center and meat should be a side dish, if you choose to eat meat.

However, I would recommend that you seek out more "cleaner" organic grass-fed forms of animal protein because feed-lot raised animals have more pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics in them. Many supermarkets sell grass-fed meat for a slightly higher cost. But your health is worth it, don’t you think? And the more demand there is for it, the lower the cost. It also sends a message to feed-lot owners to clean up their act. Even if you still eat meat at fast-food places, at least you’ll be lowering the amounts of these chemicals you’re exposed to when you use it for yourself.

I would suggest we all continue to educate ourselves on diet, the foods we eat and their impact on our health, the economy, and the environment.

 

[S O F I]

I'm scared if I stop eating meat I will become anorexic.

If I spend a day of working construction in 80 degree weather and come home to a bowl of rice and tomatoes, HOW THE HELL WILL THAT SATISFY ME?

 

[Jokerman]

If I spend a day of working construction in 80 degree weather and come home to a bowl of rice and tomatoes, HOW THE HELL WILL THAT SATISFY ME?

It won't! You need a woman to come home to.

 

[Jokerman]

I'm scared if I stop eating meat I will become anorexic.

Just doesn't happen. There are professional vegetarian weight lifters. But don't just give up meat. It should be a slow process. Start eating it in moderation, then try giving up pork. After a while, slowly eat less and less beef. At the same time, add more fish and beans and vegs you hardly ever eat now. People think a vegetarian diet is limited. It's just the opposite. Go to a big health food store and look around at all the choices. Vegetarian chili is fantastic.

I recommend people who want to go vegetarian keep eating some fish and eggs until they really know something about nutrition and foods.