Tired All the Time

[stefanwzyga]

That is fucking digusting man. Sorry to be rude or patronising, but that is just horrible.

Na it aint,its just some very tasty munchies.

Cut the steak, pork, hamburger, ham, salmon, french fries, peanut butter & jelly sandwiches, milk and soda. ALL that shit is real bad for you. I'm surprised you're not morbidly obese and always constipated as well as being tired. You ever heard of a show called "You Are What You Eat". Don't know if you guys get it over there. But you should watch it. There's a few videos

Is that the show by the skinny unhealthy looking scots woman?

You do realise that millions of people all over the world have been eating these types of food for hundereds of years without any health problems whatsoever?

Find some vegetables you like and some fruits. I eat stuff like spinach, lentils, peas, green beans. brocolli, pineapple, green apple, limes, red grapes.

Boring.

I used to be tired all the time, then I gave up meat. That was what was making me tired and also my health improved since I stopped eating it.

No offence but i truely belive this is all in your head. Fuck me your only 19.

In what way has your health improved? I was a veggie for 8 years and i noticed no difference whatsoever when i satrted eating meat again., apart from i looked a damn sight healthier.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Says the man that smokes cigarettes lol.

No offense, but as a smoker you are in no position to preach to others about unhealthy eating. The cigarettes you smoke are far worse than meat.

Maybe the cigarettes were making you tired lol.

 

[stefanwzyga]

Says the man that smokes cigarettes lol.

No offense, but as a smoker you are in no position to preach to others about unhealthy eating. The cigarettes you smoke are far worse than meat.

Maybe the cigarettes were making you tired lol.

I stopped smoking in 2000. Infact i stopped everything in 2000.

Im just under 6 feet, not fat at all, basically living the quiet healthy life! But Mili is making it sound like you cant eat meat and live healthy, and that is complete drivel. As my numerous 90 odd yearold relatives can vouch for. Infact id like to look into seeing if any of the longest living humans were veggies? i have my doubts.

 

[Tru Principle]

Equating eating meat with the slaughter of 6 million isn't really equal.
.

Actually, it's pretty analogous if you consider that animals have rights. We slaughter much, much more than that on a daily basis.

So it's probably worse in terms of lives lost. But before you misinterpret that, I am not saying that 6 million lives (human, that is) is less of a tragedy than a couple of billions cows but what I am saying is that some people don't see a difference. Both are murder.

 

[Jokerman]

People who die come back as cows.

 

[keco52]

This discussion is kind of funny. When I stopped eating meat I became anemic which made me tired.

Almost anything could make you sleepy. That's one of the most common complaints to doctors...fatigue. Any kind of deficiency could make you sleepy. The only way to know for sure is to have blood tests done.

 

[Bobby Sands]

You could have Chronic Fatigue syndrome where you would be constantly tired regardless of how much sleep you get.

You can read more here:

http://www.medicinenet.com/chronic_fatigue_syndrome/article.htm

 

[Flipmo]

Or maybe your fucking wanking off too damn much.

 

[Tha_Wood]

that dosent make me tired

 

[Casey]

Did some of you miss this? If you have a response to me saying meat is unhealthy, please respond to the following points:

Animal source proteins are considered superior by the medical establishment because they are:

(A). High in protein content. (Actually they have too much protein, which is then stored in the body as a toxin.)

(B). Complete Proteins: (Although this is true, this is not necessarily advantageous, since animal source proteins have the following disadvantages

1. They are difficult to digest; More energy is required to digest meat than can be obtained from the meat. This wears out the protein digestive organs, and leads to stressful indigestion.

2. The body's attempt to rid itself of the excess protein congests the liver and overworks the kidneys which have to expel the excess nitrogen through urine. People with kidney disease are urged to eat low protein diets. Perhaps eating a low protein diet to begin with would PREVENT kidney disease. Excessive protein consumption is also linked to Urinary disease, Renal cancer and Lymphosarcoma.

3. Animal source proteins are not a real food - they are missing some of the ingredients of real food.

4. Animal proteins contain inorganic acids which are TOXIC to humans. Only modest amounts of animal protein have been found to result in cancerous tumors in animal studies. Moreover, human studies also support this carcinogenic effect of animal protein, even at usual levels of consumption. In my view, no chemical carcinogen is nearly so important in causing human cancer as animal protein. (Dr. T Colin Campbell M.S., Ph.D. Nutrition Advocate Vol. 1 No.6 December 1995.)

5. Meat is high in fat. Dr. Benjamin Spock M.D. Says that a high fat diet, which means eating relatively large amounts of meat, dairy products, and fried foods, is the main cause of arteriosclerosis, coronary heart disease, stroke, certain forms of cancer, and obesity. (not good).

6. The artificial hormones, steroids, and other chemicals injected or fed to the animal to make them grow faster/bigger don't do us humans any good at all; they are toxic.


7. The U.S. Center for Disease Control (CDC), Enteric Diseases Branch, has concluded that subtherapeutic amounts of antibiotics added to animal stock feed have subsequently caused animals to develop highly resistant strains of bacteria (mutant forms of E. coli and others) which are then passed on for human consumption in all meat products. In fact it's estimated that 20-25 percent of all bacterial illnesses (and perhaps 50% of all food poisoning) in the U.S. stem directly from antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria and the consumption of meats. (New England Journal of Medicine Vol 243, p.617-621, 1984)

The response of the European Economic Community to the routine feeding of antibiotics to U.S. livestock (55% of all antibiotics used in the US) was to BAN the importation of U.S. meat. So the answer to the question: "What's for Dinner?" is: Antibiotics, Steroids, Pesticides, DDT, Dieldrin, bacteria and Cholesterol. . . . . . . . . Yum!

Take a piece of steak. Cut it open and the juice runs out right? and it's nice and juicey and tender looking? We know that the red fluid is BLOOD, right? and you dunk your bread in it. There is a clear fluid there too...now some of it is fat, and water, but one of the main components of that clear fluid is uric acid...(cow pee). And you dunk your bread in it....why do you do that?

By the way, the old advice that your hamburger is safe if it's brown in the middle is WRONG. Unless you want to feed your family raw E. coli bacteria, you should use a digital meat thermometer, and be certain the interior of the hamburger is 160 degrees F. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported in January 99 that the DEATH TOLL from tainted meat from just one farm has risen to 12 people.

OK, I'll just eat CHICKEN:

30 to 50% of supermarket chickens are contaminated with salmonella (which can survive microwave cooking). Almost 100% contain campylobacter pathogens; look that one up!

One day just PULL THE PLUG on your freezer, but don't open it for three to five days. When you open the door it will smell. The stink you smell is the smell of death. Your Freezer is sealed pretty well isn't it? Nothing can get in or out when the door is closed, but you will not be alone in the room. In your freezer will be maggots and worms. Where did they come from? The maggots and the worms were in the meat! and you EAT them....Why do you do that.?


Vegetable source proteins are good for us, easy to digest, and can supply all our nutritional needs.



BUT when you eat meat, the body regards most of it as a toxin, so it depletes the immune system to get the enzymes to try & handle the problem, steals calcium (osteoporososis) from the tissues and bones to neutralize the phosphoric acid, and speeds up the metabolism to rid itself of this junk...why do you do that?

Is it worth it? is TASTE your overriding concern?

Do you live to eat ?

or


do you eat to live?

Most Americans live to eat. They are controlled by a six inch long organ.
If you identify with that, (your tongue, silly!) you may want to re-think your priorities in life.
Pound for Pound, hamburgers cost more than new cars, so give up hamburgers and get a new car instead!.

stefan, not to split hairs but I'm a few months shy of 21, I'm not 19. Not that age has anything to do with anything, anyway. It's actually nothing short of a patronizing comment made by older people because they believe solely based on age that they are wiser, more learned or experienced than someone younger because they themselves may have not been very smart or wise to the world at that age (i'm not saying that's you but i'm saying that's how it comes across when people make comments such as 'you're only [insert age]'.

I get it all the time, especially when I tell people I'm married. "You're married!! But you're only 20!". It pisses me off. Usually when I want to shut them up I tell them just a few of the things I went through as a teenager and they then realize how patronizing they've been by assuming that everyone has lived the same kind of average middle class went to school, went to uni, got a job existence they they have.

as for smoking - the difference is that EVERYONE knows smoking is bad for you. people seem to think meat is good for you when that is so utterly far from the truth it's ridiculous. again refer to the quoted part.

as for my own health and how it has improved, i am healthier than I was when I ate meat. That's a fact. My skin is healthier, my hair is glossier, I don't feel lethargic or tired anymore like I used to when I ate meat, I feel more motivated and wake up better in the mornings and go to sleep easier at night, I'm actually more positive for the most part (the concept of eating meat creates a usually subconscious hunter/gatherer caveman throwback that leads to aggression).

When I first stopped eating meat, for a while I felt like when I ate I wasn't feeling "full". I quickly came to realize that it wasn't that I wasn't feeling full.....I just wasn't feeling bloated. Whenever I ate meat, I felt bloated. That's not a good thing, it means your digestion system is working harder than it should.

Also, another problem I have with meat is that the vast majority of people eat the garbage ass cheap meat that comes from badly treated animals that are rife with disease and infection. It's understandable since when you're at the supermarket there's no discernable physical difference between the various chicken carcasses or whatever, so it just seems like one costs a lot more and one is fairly affordable.

Most people don't stop to think why, and if they did they would realize that they are eating the most badly treated animals there are out there.....animals that are stuffed into cages they can't fit into, given hormones to make them fatter until their legs break and they can't walk, having their beaks chopped off etc, and overall they are rife with infection. But you know, if you want to walk around with a dead animal inside you, more power to ya. I wouldn't carry a dead animal around in my backpack.....so I damn sure ain't gonna carry it in my stomach either.

 

[stefanwzyga]

stefan, not to split hairs but I'm a few months shy of 21, I'm not 19. Not that age has anything to do with anything, anyway. It's actually nothing short of a patronizing comment made by older people because they believe solely based on age that they are wiser, more learned or experienced than someone younger because they themselves may have not been very smart or wise to the world at that age (i'm not saying that's you but i'm saying that's how it comes across when people make comments such as 'you're only [insert age]'.

Its nothing about being wiser, its about your body changing when you get older! I could eat all day then have a feast at night before bed time when i was the same age as you, and not feel anything in my stomach, or have any problems whatsoever the next moring. If i had something to eat before my bed these days i would wake up the next morning an not feel to good.

as for smoking - the difference is that EVERYONE knows smoking is bad for you. people seem to think meat is good for you when that is so utterly far from the truth it's ridiculous. again refer to the quoted part.

Well for me its ridiculous to say eating meat in your diet is bad for you, as all of our parents,grand parents and their grand parents have lived healthy happy lifes doing just that. And you can throw as many quotes about meat as you want because everyone has different opinions.

as for my own health and how it has improved, i am healthier than I was when I ate meat. That's a fact. My skin is healthier, my hair is glossier, I don't feel lethargic or tired anymore like I used to when I ate meat, I feel more motivated and wake up better in the mornings and go to sleep easier at night, I'm actually more positive for the most part (the concept of eating meat creates a usually subconscious

Your skin will obviously improve because your eating a lot more fruit than before.

I eat meat, i get up everyday at 5.45 am(Weekends aswell) i dont feel lethargic, i walk my dog along the beach most mornings, feeling motivated and healthy.

hunter/gatherer caveman throwback that leads to aggression).

When I first stopped eating meat, for a while I felt like when I ate I wasn't feeling "full". I quickly came to realize that it wasn't that I wasn't feeling full.....I just wasn't feeling bloated. Whenever I ate meat, I felt bloated. That's not a good thing, it means your digestion system is working harder than it should.

A caveman couldnt walk into tescos and buy some ready made spare ribs, he had to slaughter a cow, he had to be aggressive.

Most people don't stop to think why, and if they did they would realize that they are eating the most badly treated animals there are out there.....animals that are stuffed into cages they can't fit into, given hormones to make them fatter until their legs break and they can't walk, having their beaks chopped off etc, and overall they are rife with infection. But you know, if you want to walk around with a dead animal inside you, more power to ya. I wouldn't carry a dead animal around in my backpack.....so I damn sure ain't gonna carry it in my stomach either.

Well you said before that you had a jacket which you were pretty sure was not leather, but not positve! So maybe you are actually carrying around a dead animal. And you have only been a veggie for 2/3 years anywayz, so you are responsible like the rest of us for the slaughter of plenty animals.

 

[ill-matic]

man im getting real tired of your sanctimonious bullshit mili

Your points prolly come from some lame pro-vegetarian website. Want me to refute those points? Give me 10 minutes and ill totally shit on all those points simply by copying and pasting shit from google, which is exactly what you have done.

Wow, did you really think that showing people this will immediately turn them from meat?
"Omg militant youve totally changed my life."

I dont think so.


Meat IS good for you. It's been proven to be good for you

so just shut the fuck up with this preachy bullshit because it's so annoying. im tired of reading your posts where you come off all high and mighty with your shit. and btw, go munch on a carrot, because nobody gives a fuck

 

[ill-matic]

i find it so laughable that you're trying to suggest that eating meat is bad for you. sure if youre buying a shit product, with shit quality, it will be bad for you (as will everytihng else thats of shit quality). but the mere suggestion that meat itself is bad for you is a fucking joke

 

[Glockmatic]

(A). High in protein content. (Actually they have too much protein, which is then stored in the body as a toxin.)

Uhhh...what? Whoever wrote this does not understand nutrition at all.

1. They are difficult to digest; More energy is required to digest meat than can be obtained from the meat. This wears out the protein digestive organs, and leads to stressful indigestion.

Thats what cooking is for, it breaks down the cell walls for easier digestion. This point would be valid if we still ate raw meat.

2. The body's attempt to rid itself of the excess protein congests the liver and overworks the kidneys which have to expel the excess nitrogen through urine. People with kidney disease are urged to eat low protein diets. Perhaps eating a low protein diet to begin with would PREVENT kidney disease. Excessive protein consumption is also linked to Urinary disease, Renal cancer and Lymphosarcoma.

It is almost physically impossible to eat enough protein in one day that it fucks over our liver. A sirloin steak only has 25-30 grams of protein, you need over your weight in protein in order to get any kind of damage to your organs (other than calorie wise). The only way to get that much protein is through supplements like Whey Protein.

3. Animal source proteins are not a real food - they are missing some of the ingredients of real food.

Doesn't make a lick of sense. Celery is not real food, it lacks ingredients of real food.

4. Animal proteins contain inorganic acids which are TOXIC to humans. Only modest amounts of animal protein have been found to result in cancerous tumors in animal studies. Moreover, human studies also support this carcinogenic effect of animal protein, even at usual levels of consumption. In my view, no chemical carcinogen is nearly so important in causing human cancer as animal protein. (Dr. T Colin Campbell M.S., Ph.D. Nutrition Advocate Vol. 1 No.6 December 1995.)

From "Dr." T Colin Campell's website

" The information contained within this site has been presented with careful research, and some of the articles contain many references to peer-reviewed journals.

Please understand that I am not, however, qualified to dispense medical or health advice of any kind. Likewise, although the articles reference peer-reviewed publications, these articles are not peer-reviewed themselves.

Although I am trained in lab science techniques and journal article writing at the undergraduate level and plan to pursue a PhD in Molecular and Cellular Biology, I do not currently possess a graduate degree or a medical degree, and I have not published peer-reviewed research."

5. Meat is high in fat. Dr. Benjamin Spock M.D. Says that a high fat diet, which means eating relatively large amounts of meat, dairy products, and fried foods, is the main cause of arteriosclerosis, coronary heart disease, stroke, certain forms of cancer, and obesity. (not good).

If someone is going to eat steak all day everyday of course they'll get diseases. Eating in moderation is healthy.

6. The artificial hormones, steroids, and other chemicals injected or fed to the animal to make them grow faster/bigger don't do us humans any good at all; they are toxic.

Then get "organic" meat, support your local farmers by going to a farmers market instead of going to super markets.

7. The U.S. Center for Disease Control (CDC), Enteric Diseases Branch, has concluded that subtherapeutic amounts of antibiotics added to animal stock feed have subsequently caused animals to develop highly resistant strains of bacteria (mutant forms of E. coli and others) which are then passed on for human consumption in all meat products. In fact it's estimated that 20-25 percent of all bacterial illnesses (and perhaps 50% of all food poisoning) in the U.S. stem directly from antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria and the consumption of meats. (New England Journal of Medicine Vol 243, p.617-621, 1984)

Cook your shit properly

Take a piece of steak. Cut it open and the juice runs out right? and it's nice and juicey and tender looking? We know that the red fluid is BLOOD, right? and you dunk your bread in it. There is a clear fluid there too...now some of it is fat, and water, but one of the main components of that clear fluid is uric acid...(cow pee). And you dunk your bread in it....why do you do that?

Uric acid is in our blood too, as well as many things, INCLUDING VEGETABLES. Asparagus, cauliflower, spinach, mushrooms, green peas, lentils, dried peas, beans, oatmeal, wheat bran and wheat germ.

By the way, the old advice that your hamburger is safe if it's brown in the middle is WRONG. Unless you want to feed your family raw E. coli bacteria, you should use a digital meat thermometer, and be certain the interior of the hamburger is 160 degrees F. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported in January 99 that the DEATH TOLL from tainted meat from just one farm has risen to 12 people.

OK, I'll just eat CHICKEN:

30 to 50% of supermarket chickens are contaminated with salmonella (which can survive microwave cooking). Almost 100% contain campylobacter pathogens; look that one up!

Ya...cook your shit properly.

One day just PULL THE PLUG on your freezer, but don't open it for three to five days. When you open the door it will smell. The stink you smell is the smell of death. Your Freezer is sealed pretty well isn't it? Nothing can get in or out when the door is closed, but you will not be alone in the room. In your freezer will be maggots and worms. Where did they come from? The maggots and the worms were in the meat! and you EAT them....Why do you do that.?

...vegetables and fruits don't go bad?

BUT when you eat meat, the body regards most of it as a toxin, so it depletes the immune system to get the enzymes to try & handle the problem, steals calcium (osteoporososis) from the tissues and bones to neutralize the phosphoric acid, and speeds up the metabolism to rid itself of this junk...why do you do that?

Thats when eating too much protein (ANY kind of protein). Smoking also causes osteoporosis, why not quit that?

 

[ill-matic]

I googled the benefits, and here is a sample of what's out there:

There are innumerable health benefits of eating meat, to say, for example, it serves as a fabulous source of high quality proteins, which a single vegetarian food is not able to provide. It contains all the essential amino acids that the body requires.

The red meat contains very high quantities of iron, when compared with plant origin foods. 100 grams of Liver contains 6000 mcgm of iron as against 325 mcgm in 100-gram carrots. Read further to explore information about the advantages of eating meat…

The phosphorus content present in meat gets much more easily absorbed than that present in cereals and legumes. This is owing to the fact that cereals and legumes contain phosphorus, usually in the form of phytic acid that must be hydrolyzed before absorption. Meat also serves as the main source for the intake of vitamin B12.

Though meat is rich in nutrients, but, there are certain things that meat lacks in. It doesn't contain any kind of fiber, which helps to keep your digestive system in order. Also it is very high in saturated fats, thus it is recommended to eat meat, but in moderate quantities.

Preserved meats like ham, bacon, salami etc should be avoided, as they are very high in terms of fats, salts, nitrites and nitrates that are often held responsible for causing cancer. It is recommended to eat not more than 60-75 grams of meat per day and not more than thrice a week.

 

[ARon]

This is pretty funny, educational also.

Obviously, Humans werent always able to farm so we lived off of meat and other things we found for a while. It wasn't bad for us then it's not bad for us now. As long as you eat smart, then meat is good.

I'd definitely try changing your diet. I'm in the process of doing it, it's fucking hard.

 

[Euphanasia]

man im getting real tired of your sanctimonious bullshit mili

Your points prolly come from some lame pro-vegetarian website. Want me to refute those points? Give me 10 minutes and ill totally shit on all those points simply by copying and pasting shit from google, which is exactly what you have done.

Wow, did you really think that showing people this will immediately turn them from meat?
"Omg militant youve totally changed my life."

I dont think so.


Meat IS good for you. It's been proven to be good for you

so just shut the fuck up with this preachy bullshit because it's so annoying. im tired of reading your posts where you come off all high and mighty with your shit. and btw, go munch on a carrot, because nobody gives a fuck

LOL yeah this anti-meat shit is pretty ridiculous. I don't believe any statistics that say meat as a whole is bad for you. I think I would rather have cancer than never eat meat again anyways.

 

[Casey]

From "Dr." T Colin Campell's website

" The information contained within this site has been presented with careful research, and some of the articles contain many references to peer-reviewed journals.

Please understand that I am not, however, qualified to dispense medical or health advice of any kind. Likewise, although the articles reference peer-reviewed publications, these articles are not peer-reviewed themselves.

Although I am trained in lab science techniques and journal article writing at the undergraduate level and plan to pursue a PhD in Molecular and Cellular Biology, I do not currently possess a graduate degree or a medical degree, and I have not published peer-reviewed research."

First of all, ---> BULLSHIT!! <---. That is not from his site. You are quoting someone else entirely, but I think you know that and were trying to pull a fast one. I don't appreciate your ruse, your cunning attempt to trick people.

How about instead of trying to discredit the man, you discredit what his research has proved? If you actually had a look, you'd see:

For more than 40 years, T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D. has been at the forefront of nutrition research. His legacy, the China Study, is the most comprehensive study of health and nutrition ever conducted. Dr. Campbell is the Jacob Gould Schurman Professor Emeritus of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell University and Project Director of the China-Oxford-Cornell Diet and Health Project. The study was the culmination of a 20-year partnership of Cornell University, Oxford University and the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine.

Dr. Campbell received his master’s degree and Ph.D. from Cornell, and served as a Research Associate at MIT. He spent 10 years on the faculty of Virginia Tech’s Department of Biochemistry and Nutrition before returning to the Division of Nutritional Sciences at Cornell in 1975 where he presently holds his Endowed Chair (now Emeritus).

His principal scientific interests, which began with his graduate training in the late 1950s, has been on the effects of nutritional status on long term health, particularly on the cause of cancer. He has conducted original research both in laboratory experiments and in large-scale human studies; has received more than 70 grant-years of peer-reviewed research funding, mostly from the National Institute of Health, and has served on several grant review panels of multiple funding agencies, lectured extensively, and has authored more than 300 research papers.

He is the recipient of several awards, both in research and citizenship, and has conducted original research investigation both in experimental animal and human studies, and has actively participated in the development of national and international nutrition policy.

So, once again:

4. Animal proteins contain inorganic acids which are TOXIC to humans. Only modest amounts of animal protein have been found to result in cancerous tumors in animal studies. Moreover, human studies also support this carcinogenic effect of animal protein, even at usual levels of consumption. In my view, no chemical carcinogen is nearly so important in causing human cancer as animal protein. (Dr. T Colin Campbell M.S., Ph.D. Nutrition Advocate Vol. 1 No.6 December 1995.)

Sorry if I trust one of the world's leading nutritionists over you. My bad. I must be wrong for that one, huh?


I'm not going to go back and forth on the issues because it is pretty clear that nobody is going to concede anything. I stand my what I said, and I speak from my own personal experience health wise as well as the words of experts that I have also found to be true.

What you simply cannot refute, though, is that I feel spiritually purer from not contributing to the murder of another living creature. I'm a lot less tortured, I feel more blessed on a day-to-day basis, and I am closer to a higher spiritual force.

illmatic - accusations of sanctimony are usually the resort of the frustrated insecure individual who cannot accurately or maturely express his own opinion and deep down maybe even knows he is wrong. i can see this with your steadfast "MEAT IS GOOD FOR YOU! ITS BEEN PROVEN! IT IS, IT IS, IT IS, IT IS!" approach. high and mighty? hardly. don't like it, don't read it. i assume you know where the ignore button is.

i'm not trying to convert or save any souls here. i promote the truth, like it or lump it. if you'd like some information sent out, there's P.E.T.A contact information on the inside sleeve of our new album

 

[ill-matic]

Sorry if I trust one of the world's leading nutritionists over you. My bad. I must be wrong for that one, huh?

yeh.. sorry if i trust thousands of other nutritionists over this one guy. yeh i must be real stupid for doing that!

What you simply cannot refute, though, is that I feel spiritually purer from not contributing to the murder of another living creature. I'm a lot less tortured, I feel more blessed on a day-to-day basis, and I am closer to a higher spiritual force.

and i feel much healthier after ive had a good steak. not too mention i lick my fingers after munching down a nice medium rare peice of meat. but who gives a shit?

illmatic - accusations of sanctimony are usually the resort of the frustrated insecure individual who cannot accurately or maturely express his own opinion and deep down maybe even knows he is wrong. i can see this with your steadfast "MEAT IS GOOD FOR YOU! ITS BEEN PROVEN! IT IS, IT IS, IT IS, IT IS!" approach. high and mighty? hardly. don't like it, don't read it. i assume you know where the ignore button is.

Rubbish. Why is this rubbish? Because it has been proven right. Thousands of nutritionists and scientists are suddenly wrong because you pulled out some stats off a random dude. This draws parallels to the whole climate change debate - some agree, some don't, despite there being evidence which essentially supports both sides of the coin. The difference here is that you completely discredit the benefits of eating meat as being bullshit, which is just a complete crock of crap.

Calling me insecure simply because i accused your jibber jabber of being sanctimonious is just weak. I'm very much secure, but i didnt put forward a mature, articulate point because i spoke on impulse which was prompted by my annoyance and frustration after reading your posts. but LOL @ you doing the whole psycho-analysis on me just like you did with preach when he disagreed with you :thumb:

 

[Glockmatic]

First of all, ---> BULLSHIT!! <---. That is not from his site. You are quoting someone else entirely, but I think you know that and were trying to pull a fast one. I don't appreciate your ruse, your cunning attempt to trick people.

How about instead of trying to discredit the man, you discredit what his research has proved? If you actually had a look, you'd see:

Whoops, my bad.

Sorry if I trust one of the world's leading nutritionists over you. My bad. I must be wrong for that one, huh?


I'm not going to go back and forth on the issues because it is pretty clear that nobody is going to concede anything. I stand my what I said, and I speak from my own personal experience health wise as well as the words of experts that I have also found to be true.

My other points still stand. Eating meat in moderation is perfectly healthy, if someone ate nothing but meat there WILL be problems.

What you simply cannot refute, though, is that I feel spiritually purer from not contributing to the murder of another living creature. I'm a lot less tortured, I feel more blessed on a day-to-day basis, and I am closer to a higher spiritual force.

Well, thats the difference between us. I don't believe in a spiritual force. I believe that if we didn't eat meat thousands of years ago we wouldn't be where we are now, we'd still be living in huts and digging in the dirt for roots.

i'm not trying to convert or save any souls here. i promote the truth, like it or lump it. if you'd like some information sent out, there's P.E.T.A contact information on the inside sleeve of our new album

The thing about PETA is that there are so many members who value animal life over human life, and thats just fucking pathetic