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-Even if your definition differs from my mine it's still an average album and I'm being nice.
-I can think of ten - the one example that always comes to mind for me is 'Illmatic' simply put the best hip hop album ever made.
Um, yes, 'Illmatic' is classic, no it is not the best hip hop album ever made, and no it is not perfect - there aren't any bad songs on that album, but there are ones that could have been a lot better
-We've heard it a million times already.
- There are a million other rappers who can talk about these issues and actually make them jump out of a disc and encroach upon your mind. In short, there are a million rappers who can do deep and meaningful content and do it well. Game isn't one of them.
I wish this was true; it's hard to find more than a handful of rappers today who actually talk about their lives in a way that is appealing and effective
-The real issue here is I listen to lots and lots of hip hop you obviously haven't heard and therefore in a better position to make an informed decision about what is good material.
-If you listened to as much as I do and still thought Game was better than say MF Doom, After checking you into rehab I'd respect your opinion.
- If you like Dre beats (doesn't everyone) and you only listen to mainstream garbage of course your going to think The Game is hot.
I don't doubt that you listen to a wide variety of hip hop. But I am not interested in underground rap too much, a friend of mine loaned me a cd entitled 'jeidi mind tricks' or something like that and i wasn't really feeling it. This does not insinuate that enjoy all mainstream hip hop. I hate rappers like Nelly, Ludacris, Chingy, Bone Crusher, et cetera. Why? They have horrible, futile lyrics, awful voices, vain content, and bad flows. The criteria in a rapper that matters to me is lyrics, flow, content, and voice. A few of these make a good rapper, all of them make a great rapper. Is Game a great rapper? I'm not saying that, he'll never be a legend. But he has more skills than the majority of people out right now
-Every rapper you have mentioned is mainstream.
-Your inclusion of Game, 50, Sheek, Juelez Santana, Fabolous, Young Buck and Lloyd Banks reinforces every assuption I have about you.
- I hope you like Kweli because of his early work with Hi Tek and not the 'terrible struggle'.
-I'm being nice not condemning Eminem and Jadakiss but I'm already embroiled in a similar conversation in another thread.
-Your inclusion of MF Doom, Saigon, Brother Ali, etc reinforces every assumption I have about you. Hip Hop is a wide and complex genre, (regardelss of what people assume) and there are people who prefer maintstream to underground, vice versa, and those that enjoy both. And although I have already informed you that I'm not a huge fan of underground, I have also said that I am by no means someone who is infatuated with all mainstream rap and all the hype they generate
It's just stupid you think Fabolous has dope wordplay when I'm willing to bet you haven't listened to Saigon, MF Doom, Brother Ali, Edan, Sage Francis, Lil Wayne, etc..
-Give me one example of 'dope wordplay' from Fabolous that he hasn't jacked from a better emcee.
I'm not going to look up lyrics to quote, but you don't find lines such as "And i feel like I'm getting punked, but I don't see Ashton in the grass, nor is there a camera stashed into the dash, just a guy in uniform and the passion that he has, for flashin with his badge..." and "I'll put the red dot on you like the Japan flag" and "Lookin at me like they chokin' on a chicken bone, every chick i bone can't leave the dick alone, so i know it's one of them every time i flip my phone" dope lines?
I'm so tired of arguing my corner to people who only listen to mainstream hip hop and think they can hand out 'classic' album tags to whoever 'insert rapper of the moment here' is.