I don't know what you mean, cus Nas mentions him in a song he is emulating Tupac? So Jay-Z does Bonnie and Clyde over he is emulating Tupac? Eminem uses Tupac as a reference so he is emulating him? The only rapper who might be emulating Tupac might be Ja Rule, not with music but with his image. People act like Tupac was the first to do everything, to use this sample, to say something about this or to flow a certain way. Just gets annoying, especially around here.
Rolling Stone`s Top 500 Greatest Albums
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The part that you don't understand about the whole "emulating" thing was seven words out of my original post of two paragraphs, try to view it as a whole. But I'll give it a shot and try to explain what I meant.
I won't lie, "emulate" probably wasn't the best word to use to express my thoughts; perhaps "admire" or "pay homage" would've been a more accurate verb. I agree with you when you say that Pac wasn't the first to do a lot of things, but you have to admit that he was the first to do those things to such a level of success. And I would think it's pretty close to the truth to say that a lot of rappers nowadays strive to achieve that same level of success, popularity, and what not. And in light of my substitution of "emulate" with "admire" or "pay homage" my original arguments will be a bit clearer and more agreeable.
I won't lie, "emulate" probably wasn't the best word to use to express my thoughts; perhaps "admire" or "pay homage" would've been a more accurate verb. I agree with you when you say that Pac wasn't the first to do a lot of things, but you have to admit that he was the first to do those things to such a level of success. And I would think it's pretty close to the truth to say that a lot of rappers nowadays strive to achieve that same level of success, popularity, and what not. And in light of my substitution of "emulate" with "admire" or "pay homage" my original arguments will be a bit clearer and more agreeable.
Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83
If anyone wants to bitch, I suggest writing letters to Rolling Stone. I totally agree that it's a bunch of crap that there are at least three Eminem albums that I noticed but zero Pac albums, but crying here won't help.
And who cares if Pac isn't on a list of some magazine. It sucks, but at the end of the day, who sold 35+ million albums through five years' worth of song recording, made several movies, who has an institute named after them, who does almost every rapper nowadays emulate, etc. etc.? 2-MOTHAFUCKIN-PAC. 80+% of the artists on that list are fucking nobodys now (although they made good music during their time) making NO music, Pac is dead and bigger than most of these people even today and STILL coming out with music
@ aristotele hes not overratet, coze these are facts... he really done it...!!!so show me anotha one...who made it
and u cant compare pac to otha rapper outthere,,,he had a fast life
and im sure if u ask any hiphop head worldwide to name any rapper..he would say pac
If anyone wants to bitch, I suggest writing letters to Rolling Stone. I totally agree that it's a bunch of crap that there are at least three Eminem albums that I noticed but zero Pac albums, but crying here won't help.
And who cares if Pac isn't on a list of some magazine. It sucks, but at the end of the day, who sold 35+ million albums through five years' worth of song recording, made several movies, who has an institute named after them, who does almost every rapper nowadays emulate, etc. etc.? 2-MOTHAFUCKIN-PAC. 80+% of the artists on that list are fucking nobodys now (although they made good music during their time) making NO music, Pac is dead and bigger than most of these people even today and STILL coming out with music
@ aristotele hes not overratet, coze these are facts... he really done it...!!!so show me anotha one...who made it
and u cant compare pac to otha rapper outthere,,,he had a fast life
and im sure if u ask any hiphop head worldwide to name any rapper..he would say pac
I NEVER said that the fact that a lot of rappers admire/pay homage to Pac meant that he should've been on the list. None of my posts were ever about whether or not Pac should've been on the list, despite my personal opinions on the matter. For the last time, RE-READ MY ORIGINAL POST, keeping in mind the modifications:
Although I feel that Pac should've been on the list, I never argued for or against him not being on the list. All I ever said was that people should write to Rolling Stone rather than whine about it on the board, and then I said that despite Pac not being on the list, he has a long list of accolades that outshine being on a list of a magazine that doesn't have a particular focus on hip-hop music.
Although I feel that Pac should've been on the list, I never argued for or against him not being on the list. All I ever said was that people should write to Rolling Stone rather than whine about it on the board, and then I said that despite Pac not being on the list, he has a long list of accolades that outshine being on a list of a magazine that doesn't have a particular focus on hip-hop music.
for real ppl god damn yall cant just get upset everytime a list of albums / singles is made and pac aint on it.
for one its not a rap only list
2 this is not by a rap publication, its by a varied genre magazine and theyre probably rating it by mainstream impact, because matw and dk7 didnt have 'tremendous' impacts, but they did on the hip hop audience, so let the matter rest. pz.
for one its not a rap only list
2 this is not by a rap publication, its by a varied genre magazine and theyre probably rating it by mainstream impact, because matw and dk7 didnt have 'tremendous' impacts, but they did on the hip hop audience, so let the matter rest. pz.
You cant take an objective position cause they didnt either.
As a pac fan of course I am uppset. And I cant see no reasons why Pac is not mentioned. Are you tryin to convince me, that they are right? If you are talkin about mainstream impact, what about "all eyez on me", the most sold rap album of all time! By the way Reasonable Doubt never had mainstream impact. Later this album became more and more labeled as a great or classic album, which I wont deny. You said " on the Hip Hop audience", do you think the chronic had much more than the Hip Hop audience? This is a clear disregard by the rolling stone`s but the question is why?
As a pac fan of course I am uppset. And I cant see no reasons why Pac is not mentioned. Are you tryin to convince me, that they are right? If you are talkin about mainstream impact, what about "all eyez on me", the most sold rap album of all time! By the way Reasonable Doubt never had mainstream impact. Later this album became more and more labeled as a great or classic album, which I wont deny. You said " on the Hip Hop audience", do you think the chronic had much more than the Hip Hop audience? This is a clear disregard by the rolling stone`s but the question is why?
What did you expect?
Asking Rolling Stone about hip-hop is like asking George Bush about politics. You might get a hint or two about something reasonable, but in the end you can tell he doesn't really know shit.
The first problem I noticed was that Raising Hell was higher than Run-D.M.C.. Now they're both great albums, but I think the latter is difnitively better. So why did Raising Hell get the nod? Because of the rock 'n' roll crossover hit of "Walk This Way" with Aerosmith.
The second thing I noticed by just skimming through was that Illmatic was 400. That's arguably the greatest rap album ever, and it's 352 spots below their top ranked rap album.
Asking Rolling Stone about hip-hop is like asking George Bush about politics. You might get a hint or two about something reasonable, but in the end you can tell he doesn't really know shit.
The first problem I noticed was that Raising Hell was higher than Run-D.M.C.. Now they're both great albums, but I think the latter is difnitively better. So why did Raising Hell get the nod? Because of the rock 'n' roll crossover hit of "Walk This Way" with Aerosmith.
The second thing I noticed by just skimming through was that Illmatic was 400. That's arguably the greatest rap album ever, and it's 352 spots below their top ranked rap album.
i agree Pac should have at least 2 albums if not 3 on the list...some of those groups at the top deserve to be there, some don't...i am not sure how nirvana "nevermind: is higher than "appetite for destruction" by Guns N' Roses or "IV" by led zeppelin. Rolling stone is by far biased to rock, I am impressed that anything rap made it into the top 100 in there magazine, I think Pac should have been in the top 100, as of last year he was still the top selling rap artist, I am not sure if "encore" moved eminem ahead of him, but they have the beatles all over the top 100, and that's due to the influence and the impact they had on the music scene, you can't tell me that in the rap world there is an artist who made an impact or has more influence on other rappers than Pac did.
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