Rakim > 2Pac
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Bombsquad said:
Thank you for shutting shit down.
Kid was loosing a fight, but still tried to get up to fight again for no apparent reason. You know dude's defense is weak when he has to resort to calling people liars.
Kid was loosing a fight, but still tried to get up to fight again for no apparent reason. You know dude's defense is weak when he has to resort to calling people liars.
I'll make sure to have my little book of Tupac quotes next time I debate you, because he's the only person you'll believe.
Answer this question please..
Was anybody better than Tupac at any aspect of rapping?
Thats sad but true, but alot of artists diehard fans tend to give a biased view. But to say "Don't argue with a Tupac fan" is taking it a little too far, even though I can tell you were generalizing just with the majority 'Life' 2pac fans on this forum.
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Every one should know by now, that every different individual has different tastes and a UNIQUE perspective on what they consider to be the "Best" or "Greatest".
And to Tupac fans, just because the 'majority' of rap 'fans' consider him to be the greatest of all time, realize that a large factor in this is a Bandwagon effect. Casual rap fans will agree that 2pac is the "Greatest of all Time" with not 1 Cd purchased and California love or changes being their only regularly listened to track(of 2pac).
Just before a groupie attempts to attack me, I am a 2pac fan but MORE so a RAP fan.
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Every one should know by now, that every different individual has different tastes and a UNIQUE perspective on what they consider to be the "Best" or "Greatest".
And to Tupac fans, just because the 'majority' of rap 'fans' consider him to be the greatest of all time, realize that a large factor in this is a Bandwagon effect. Casual rap fans will agree that 2pac is the "Greatest of all Time" with not 1 Cd purchased and California love or changes being their only regularly listened to track(of 2pac).
Just before a groupie attempts to attack me, I am a 2pac fan but MORE so a RAP fan.
haha I know, but I bet Bombsquad won't admit that anyone was better than 2Pac at anything.
Plus, he's a Rakim hater.
Plus, he's a Rakim hater.
heres the official quote from Pac on his style and shit
again though the rakim > 2pac aspect was settled early on in this thread but wanted to clear that section up. like I said before I don't think the shit even applies too bad because regardless theres other ways of measurin a MC (and other ways Rakim can be seen as a better MC). -just look at someone like Canibus and how he rhymes lmao
again though the rakim > 2pac aspect was settled early on in this thread but wanted to clear that section up. like I said before I don't think the shit even applies too bad because regardless theres other ways of measurin a MC (and other ways Rakim can be seen as a better MC). -just look at someone like Canibus and how he rhymes lmao
Jesus Christ, just give up!! You lost already. Admit that you were wrong. You can't win every fight you're in. You tried to battle a source for crying out loud. Just take your L and keep it moving. Next time challenge with facts instead of your ass.
And :laugh: at you trying to dig up old bones when the fossils don't even match me.:laugh:
And :laugh: at you trying to dig up old bones when the fossils don't even match me.:laugh:
:laugh: @ u still trying to battle a source. You just won't stop making a fool out of yourself won't u?
Umm. Did you not read the interview, EDouble posted? Unless I'm blind, please show me where the interviewer ask 2Pac about his rhymes. Please point it out to me.
Davey D: You lived In Marin City for a little while. How was your
connection with hip hop able to be maintained while living there? Was
there a thriving hip hop scene in Marin City?
2Pac: Not really..You were just given truth to the music. Being in
Marin City was like a small town so it taught me to be more straight
forward with my style. Instead of of being so metaphorical with the
rhyme where i might say something like... I'm the hysterical, lyrical
miracle I'm the hypothetical, incredible.... I was encouraged to go
straight at it and hit it dead on and not waste time trying to cover
things...
Davey D: Why was that?
2Pac: In Marin City it seemed like things were real country.
Everything was straight forward. Poverty was straight forward. There
was no way to say I'm poor, but to say 'I'm po'...we had no money and
that's what influenced my style.
LMAO. You got a fast one pulled over your eyes kid. :laugh:
Umm. Did you not read the interview, EDouble posted? Unless I'm blind, please show me where the interviewer ask 2Pac about his rhymes. Please point it out to me.
Davey D: You lived In Marin City for a little while. How was your
connection with hip hop able to be maintained while living there? Was
there a thriving hip hop scene in Marin City?
2Pac: Not really..You were just given truth to the music. Being in
Marin City was like a small town so it taught me to be more straight
forward with my style. Instead of of being so metaphorical with the
rhyme where i might say something like... I'm the hysterical, lyrical
miracle I'm the hypothetical, incredible.... I was encouraged to go
straight at it and hit it dead on and not waste time trying to cover
things...
Davey D: Why was that?
2Pac: In Marin City it seemed like things were real country.
Everything was straight forward. Poverty was straight forward. There
was no way to say I'm poor, but to say 'I'm po'...we had no money and
that's what influenced my style.
LMAO. You got a fast one pulled over your eyes kid. :laugh:
OMG! R U trYiNg tO baTTle a SoUrcE?!
THAT is a source. Someone's opinion on their own talent isn't a credible source in a debate that argues his level of ability.
You conceded this debate to me pages ago. You made no argument against the works produced, in which Rakim's lyricism trumps Pac's. You're whole side is, "Nuh uh! He coud've if he wanted to. He told me so."
you show no evidence to the contrary. You're only 'evidence' is "He told me so." People would take you more seriously if you tried to show real evidence like lines from his songs thta showed his lyrical potential instead of all this he-say/she-say.
Bombsquad said:
Rakim is outdated. i barely care 4 him and his works. the only time his name is mentioned is during some type of hip hop historic documentation or something. His works on mca in 97-99 weren't on par to his works when he was doing it with Eric B. Calling Rakim a great mc is like Bobby Brown calling himself the King of R&B today. about 20 years ago, he was good, but now he's 
. If Rakim wants to concrete his mark on hip hop forever he will need to winover the young crowds today because if his return doesn't spark anything in the mainstream world he can loose credibility with not only the new kid fans but the old school. The last thing Rakim needs to hear is "rakim has fallen off". Its like what the other guy said he has to prove himself all over again. And believe me trying to appeal to the independent underground market won't spark the world of hip hop or do anything significant.
. If Rakim wants to concrete his mark on hip hop forever he will need to winover the young crowds today because if his return doesn't spark anything in the mainstream world he can loose credibility with not only the new kid fans but the old school. The last thing Rakim needs to hear is "rakim has fallen off". Its like what the other guy said he has to prove himself all over again. And believe me trying to appeal to the independent underground market won't spark the world of hip hop or do anything significant.
You conceded this debate to me pages ago. You made no argument against the works produced, in which Rakim's lyricism trumps Pac's. You're whole side is, "Nuh uh! He coud've if he wanted to. He told me so."
you show no evidence to the contrary. You're only 'evidence' is "He told me so." People would take you more seriously if you tried to show real evidence like lines from his songs thta showed his lyrical potential instead of all this he-say/she-say.
First of all you are making yourself look like an idiot by the posts. Just stop it now!! First of all, if you used your brain, you'd understand what I was saying 2 posts ago. Just to let you know, I told (hituup) the guy you were calling me earlier to make this account for me, so I didn't start using this account immediately. He used my account as his co-sign posts. You got duped.:laugh:
Amerika is back on his feet trying to get back in the fight even though he's been knocked down about 10x already. Commentator 1: But Why does he continue to fight when it's clear that he won't win? Commentator 2: Because he's not concious enough to accept the fact that he's getting his ass handed to him.
blah blah. Your hook was countered and now you're back down with a knockout blow. You tried to dig up some shit on me to change the story, but it didn't quite work. try to go dig up something else.
And people of the forum will start to loose respect for you if you don't take your L like a man. Seriously, you're playing yourself. Just admit that you lost. Nothing you can say or EVEN DO can redeem your lost.
Amerika is back on his feet trying to get back in the fight even though he's been knocked down about 10x already. Commentator 1: But Why does he continue to fight when it's clear that he won't win? Commentator 2: Because he's not concious enough to accept the fact that he's getting his ass handed to him.
blah blah. Your hook was countered and now you're back down with a knockout blow. You tried to dig up some shit on me to change the story, but it didn't quite work. try to go dig up something else.
And people of the forum will start to loose respect for you if you don't take your L like a man. Seriously, you're playing yourself. Just admit that you lost. Nothing you can say or EVEN DO can redeem your lost.
Stop being a fuckin idiot. Sure, Pac may have been more focused on his lyrical content back in the day, but there's no way to even say if it touched Rakim's level or not.
And stop saying "zomg he's back on his feet after being knocked out 100 times :laugh: :laugh: ". No matter how many times you say it no one is going to agree with you.
And stop saying "zomg he's back on his feet after being knocked out 100 times :laugh: :laugh: ". No matter how many times you say it no one is going to agree with you.
What are you even talking about BombSquad? He didn't "lose" anything. Why is there even an argument about who's better when it's a matter of opinion? It always is. It's fun to debate sometimes, but not like this. Rakim was obvioulsy on the hip hop scene before Pac was and he was a highly influential artist. Because when it came to just straight up skills on the mic, he was one of, if not THE best. I'm leaning towards one of because I think Big Daddy Kane is right up there as well with Rakim as far as lyrical ability. Somebody like Rakim influenced Pac. Influenced Nas. Influenced Jay. Influenced Biggie. All kinds of rappers who in ten years (shit, even now), people will look at as legends in hip hop. They're different kinds of artist, period. So there's no way to really compare them like you seem to want to. You can argue all day, but the fact is that Pac just never ripped the mic like Rakim did.
He never came with that kind of lyrical ability on a consistant basis to make me or anyone else think different. Pac did what he did and he did it well. That's why people love his music so much. He spoke on real shit and it was and still is incredible. That's what makes him Pac and that's what made him the best at it. He did it better than everyone else. Back when Rakim was around, it was about who had more skills on the mic and that's what he was trying to proove. He isn't called the "God" for nothing, right? I grew up on hip hop music and to me it was always about who had the skill to just rip the mic apart. To me, Rakim or Big Daddy Kane did it the best and that's why they are at the top of my list. Pac is up there as well, but for other reasons.
There's no way i'm gonna say "this one is better because he COULD HAVE done this". Not a chance, because anyone COULD DO something, but it's whether or not they do it.
He never came with that kind of lyrical ability on a consistant basis to make me or anyone else think different. Pac did what he did and he did it well. That's why people love his music so much. He spoke on real shit and it was and still is incredible. That's what makes him Pac and that's what made him the best at it. He did it better than everyone else. Back when Rakim was around, it was about who had more skills on the mic and that's what he was trying to proove. He isn't called the "God" for nothing, right? I grew up on hip hop music and to me it was always about who had the skill to just rip the mic apart. To me, Rakim or Big Daddy Kane did it the best and that's why they are at the top of my list. Pac is up there as well, but for other reasons.
There's no way i'm gonna say "this one is better because he COULD HAVE done this". Not a chance, because anyone COULD DO something, but it's whether or not they do it.
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