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[Casey]

Teaching moral lessons through "fantastical stories" is a bad way to learn them? Sure, some people take religion the wrong way and do nasty things in the name of it, but there are others that do just fine with it.

I should look into a book to tell me how to think? Sure. I'll look into it. Doesn't sound too different from reading the Bible or the Quran, though.

You're putting words into my mouth. Don't do that. I never said look into a book to tell you how to think. I mentioned that you read that book because you have absolutely zero understanding of atheism judging by what you posted. Furthermore, I never stated that the fantastical stories/anecdotes of religion are a "bad" way to learn morals either. I said it was harmful for finding a moral path because of the delusions and lies they preach, and because many people take these things literally, despite that not being the point.

The difference is that musicians like Pac, yes, they read off a sheet, but THEY wrote the sheet.

I'd say...

Atheists = hate music.
Agnostics = listen to whatever is on the radio and don't give a shit either way.
Spiritual or inquisitive people = write their own music.
People who have blind faith in either Religion OR Science = sing karaoke; often badly.

Well this is clearly completely inaccurate. I'm a proud atheist and music means a million times more to me than any religion ever could. I know platinum selling artists and producers that are among the most respected in their field who are also atheists. Spirituality does not mean jackshit when it comes to music.

There's hundreds of amazing musicians and artists who everyone on this board would be aware of, in all genres, that are atheists....don't make me post a list

 

[Rukas]

Well this is clearly completely inaccurate. I'm a proud atheist and music means a million times more to me than any religion ever could. I know platinum selling artists and producers that are among the most respected in their field who are also atheists. Spirituality does not mean jackshit when it comes to music.

There's hundreds of amazing musicians and artists who everyone on this board would be aware of, in all genres, that are atheists....don't make me post a list

I never said atheists hate music. Of course many atheists make great music just like obviously not all religious musicians only sing karaoke. You totally missed the point. In my example music is the metaphor for God. So an atheist would say music doesnt exist, agnostic wouldnt care either way, a spiritual person finds their own path and thus would make their own music, and a person of blind faith would recite what other people wrote, like a karaoke singer.

Get it now?

 

[Casey]

I never said atheists hate music. Of course many atheists make great music just like obviously not all religious musicians only sing karaoke. You totally missed the point. In my example music is the metaphor for God. So an atheist would say music doesnt exist, agnostic wouldnt care either way, a spiritual person finds their own path and thus would make their own music, and a person of blind faith would recite what other people wrote, like a karaoke singer.

Get it now?

Got it. My bad.

But I'm still not sure it's a great analogy, since music obviously DOES exist and you can easily prove that it does. There aren't really any great analogies with this subject - that's part of what makes it somewhat difficult to discuss I guess.

 

[Tha_Wood]

do you believe in love casey?

 

[Tha_Wood]

also probably the only thing that anyone should take away from this thread was the discussion about lack of new members. when you think about it, aside from me and stred there arent that many prominent new members.

 

[Casey]

do you believe in love casey?

Love is an abstract and loose concept that can mean many things. So, give me your definition of love and I'll tell you if I believe in it, per your definition.

I assume you mean the definition of love between two people in a relationship, but clearly love is not exclusive to two people. For example - I love music. I love reading. Brick Tamland loves lamp.

I don't believe in love as some sort of invisible, intangible, undefinable thing. There is nothing in this world that cannot be defined. The "love" that many people would speak of as being something they cannot express is simply chemical reactions and changes that they have not bothered to try and rationalize or understand.

When people in a relationship say "I love you" to one another, it is simply a short, concise way of expressing a whole range of feelings, generally to do with them being happy with the status of the relationship emotionally and sexually, continuing to find their partner entertaining and attractive, and reinforcing the commitment to each other that they have mated either for life or an extended period of time.

If you don't think you can explain love you're probably uneducated or haven't tried hard enough. Like I said - everything that exists on this planet is definable with language and science.

 

[Tha_Wood]

perfect response. im always explaining to people how "love" is chemical reactions in the brain.

personally i don't believe in love, along with many other concepts along those lines.

 

[Casey]

What pisses me off is when you attempt to explain that to people and they deny it. As if I'm just making it up and there isn't any scientific evidence to support it.

I mean, what's the point in being deliberately ignorant? Same with creationists etc. Don't deny legitimate evidence and knowledge in favor of fairy stories and fantasy. It's that kind of irrational behaviour that is just pointless, and it gets worse when people like that have any sort of power or influence, because they attempt to block scientific progress due to them being unable to accept facts and evidence.

 

[Synful*Luv]

If religion was only a guideline on how you might live life.. It wouldn't be as "bad". But in so many instances that is not the case at all. Many devout "insert religion here" believe the things they read in their respective holy books as fact. These miracles and parables and whatever, they think these children's stories actually happened. Some of the teachers believe these stories as fact as well. Some people actually think if they pray long enough and hard enough... good things will come out of it. It stunts personal growth. It really does. If you have people sitting around waiting on a god to do something, who for the sake of this conversation I will say may or may not exist.. how do you ever progress? Not speaking about an entire species here.. just the single person. It teaches people it's better to believe in something invisible than to put that belief in yourself.

And what about all the people wasting time judging what another adult is doing because it disagrees with their religion? Wasting time that could've been spent doing anything productive for their lives.

And what about all the ideals of what something should or shouldn't be based on religious books that even atheists follow blindly without questioning it. Like the idea of marriage or a funeral or monogamy or what a relationship is.

And Agnosticism is a joke. I claimed to be agnostic for years, the majority of my HS and early college life. Then I realized... it was because I was scared. I was worried what the religious majority would think of me. I didn't believe there was a god or any deity out there anymore than religious people believe that Zues is standing on clouds with lightning bolts (oh wait.) but I was worried about how I would be viewed after revealing that I was different. And most people I know who claim to be agnostic are the exact same. Agnostic is "safe" while Atheists are "evil."

 

[Prize Gotti]

I just know I would be a bit lost without some ideas religion has taught me.

Why? You shouldn't need religion to guide you, you should have brain power to do that yourself. I still believe people follow religion because they lack the intelligence to make decisions for themselves.

Why would you want another persons opinion on life to influence yours? Living off possibilities doesn't answer lifes questions, its your job to answer those question with your own thoughts.

I all ways find religious people are the ones looking for answers, if you are all ways asking questions, how can you be happy? I found the answers in my own head, those answers were more logical and rational than any answer than any preached word, so my questions were answered a long long time ago, so now I live happily because I live by my own decisions.

The only person you have to answer to is yourself, you are your own boss, don't live your life off other people opinions, because if you do, you are not living for yourself.

 

[Pittsey]

Religion can be a good thing, or a bad thing... Depends how you interpret your religion.


To be prejudice and say completely that Religion is wrong, and that people who believe are ignorant, is wrong. Also, to call those who don't believe infidels, is again wrong. As common sense tells us that there is no god, and that religion is as real as Santa.


Religion helps human beings get over their mortality, and in most cases guides people on a fair and kind path.

 

[keco52]

I planned on not coming into this thread because I knew it was going to turn into religion bashing but since it's turned into 14 pages I figured I'd see what kind of win we had in here.
Please dont put my name anywhere in this shit thread *head desk*
Saying "Fuck your God" or "Kill your God" or whatever was said IS offensive.

...That's all I got right now.

I don't remember which posts now but I agree with Ill-matic and Farzin.

 

[Duke]

"Fuck Allah" might be offensive to a muslim, but focusing on something like that as a muslim while there are serious problems out there with your faith actually offends me as a rational, modern human being.

So yeah....

people can take offense to anything. Where do we draw the line? Does it have to be an established religion to be offensive?

I'm sure if I whined that if I took offense to "fuck the colour gray", no one would take me seriously. "fuck leprechauns". What if I believe in leprechauns and a comment like that would hurt me to the deepest of my soul? Should no one be allowed so say fuck leprechauns?


It's hypocritical. You can say "fuck anything" for all I care.

So, in conclusion. Fuck religion and fuck pakistan. Extremist shitfucks, i hope they get earthquaked like Joker predicted. Allah's punishment for being a bunch of stupid cunts.

 

[Duke]

Let me put it like this, a lot of people in here, predominantly illfaggic and SOFI the white knight are whining about respect.

But you're only showing the respect because it's about a quantitative large number of people. Neither of you would advocate a ban on "fuck leprechauns" as I said.

Who are you to decide which beliefs deserve respect and which don't?

Fuck off.

 

[Sebastian]

it's as if this forum has built this "club exclusive" culture where outsiders are no longer accepted. moreso new members who don't exactly fit the "mould" of what we're used to. someone who deviates from this just a little bit will most definitely get shat on. this shit is gettting ridiculous and pathetic. you're telling someone to leave because of something he viewed as racist?? very nice. very, very welcoming.

The only pathetic thing is you defending "our" behaviour towards those members.

If someone says something which is incredibly stupid, you can be sure he will get shitted on. Rightfully so. It doesnt even matter if its a new member or one of the older guys.

Plus, from what i remember youve been criticising this forum for quite a while now, in regards to this point. Im wondering why you are still taking part in this discussion because obviously this aint gonna change anytime soon.

 

[keco52]

As a general rule of thumb I try not to attack a person social identity. Race, religion and sexual preference. That's just me though.

*edit* Unless I'm trying to offend them.

 

[Sebastian]

Race and sexual preference are not in the same category with religion though.

 

[Casey]

Exactly Duke.

I mean - What exactly is the criteria that has to be filled in order for us to abstain from saying "fuck xxxxxx"? Is it the number of people in the world that follow that particular thing? What?

Personally I don't care who or what you are, if I don't agree with it, it's my prerogative to say so. And it's YOUR prerogative to say "fuck that" too. But I'm not about to start spewing death threats if you do.

And to continue Duke's point about deciding what deserves respect and what doesn't, would anyone give a fuck if I said "Fuck Elvis"? Because last time I checked, the guy had hundreds of millions of fans. And they chose to be fans rather than being born into a brainwashed cult like religion. So therefore, shouldn't that be just as respect-worthy? What's with the double standard? Religion is not some super magical thing that is exempt from criticism. If anything, it warrants more criticism for it's bullshit and I for one am not afraid to call it how I fucking see it.

 

[keco52]

All that "love thy neighbor" bullshit they be preaching in church has really stunted my growth as a human being.

 

[Casey]

All that "love thy neighbor" bullshit they be preaching in church has really stunted my growth as a human being.

The people that say that are usually the first to stab you in the back when the shit hits the fan.