I've been clean for an entire month!

[PELLA]

congratz...i know its hard :thumb:

 

[Bigg Limn]

Wow...I knew there was a reason I didn't like Salar...

 

[Tru Principle]

^ok... i must interject and disagree with you
Drugs are not bad... drug addiction is bad.
Everything in moderation my friend. If you can control yourself than it's just upping the fun you have. People who do drugs only because that's the only way they feel normal... to get away from the pain or because that is purely the only way they can be happy,.... then yes... drugs are bad.
But if your a fun loving person who doesn't need drugs to rock hard and have a good time, and if you only do it every once and a while to reach new peaks ... and if you can deal with feeling like crap during the come down... and if you're not going to use it as a crutch everytime you go out. Then drugs are fine.
Many people are quick to dismiss drugs, but seriously...it's not a bad thing unless your addicted to it, and if you have it in moderation (Once every few months) than itisn't wrong.
And cocaine is the best fucking drug ever (my favourite). But i can see why many people are addicted to it. You ooze with confidence and become very happy and proud (some become very selfish)... but the come down you just don't feel like yourself. You feel like there's something missing. Hence the addiction people have to it.
Only drugs i'll never ever touch again are meth (ice) because the come down is just horrific. Won't ever inject either.

Wow... denial's a bitch lol

 

[Tru Principle]

Wow. I don't mean any disrespect but that was seriously a pretty dumb post. You're suggesting that the only way a person can know his true self is by messing with his brain. The emotions you'll experience on e has nothing to do with who you are and you know that, they're adding something to you that isn't naturally a part of you so what you experience on those trips have nothing to with who you are, they're about what they make you. I'm not sayin don't do drugs cus that would be hypocritical of me, but please don't try to glorfy it as some eye-opening spiritual experience.
Second, saying that a person who falls into addiction has to have psychological issues is extremely ignorant and disrespectful.

I agree 100% man.

First of all Congrats Bank Robber, that is a huge accomplishment

as for everyone else. i went to school for Alcohol and Other Drug Abuse Counselor and drugs do things to the body and the brain that are not good whether used in moderation or abused. it's the same as alcohol, it kills your liver over time whether drank in moderation or abused. i drink and i know the consequences, alcoholism runs in my family i was an alcoholic at one time, i drank to not feel the pain and i was always drinking. now i have learned to control myself and drink in moderation if i feel like i'm starting to abuse it again, i stop!
in my opinion it is wrong to say that you will never find who you really are if you don't try drugs. i've never touched one illeagal drug in my life and i know exactly who i am. i went through alot of other hard times in my life to realize who i am. i watched my father be addictted to drugs, beat me and i went through emotional abuse from a boyfriend. so to me that showed me who i am and how strong i can be!
as for saying someone who can't control themselves is useless, you are basically saying that when i was an alcoholic my life was useless! and i disagree very much so. everyone in life has a purpose no matter what it is, their life means something.

This is an amazing post ^ thank you for sharing your story... people should learn from you.

 

[BIG NASTY]

Hey Kami, the dentist called, time to get them braces off so you can rap again

hahahahaha

 

[Salar]

Wow. I don't mean any disrespect but that was seriously a pretty dumb post. You're suggesting that the only way a person can know his true self is by messing with his brain. The emotions you'll experience on e has nothing to do with who you are and you know that, they're adding something to you that isn't naturally a part of you so what you experience on those trips have nothing to with who you are, they're about what they make you. I'm not sayin don't do drugs cus that would be hypocritical of me, but please don't try to glorfy it as some eye-opening spiritual experience.
Second, saying that a person who falls into addiction has to have psychological issues is extremely ignorant and disrespectful.

You weren't disrespectful at all and i'm actually happy to have a debate about this.
Ok i guess i wasn't clear enough on what i was saying.
I don't think drugs are a spiritual experience but i do think the experience does make u into somebody afterwards. WHy i say this is because i've seen alot of conservative people who generally kept to themselves change their lives around only after one drug experience. Though they haven't touched the stuff since thier first experience, they can go out and have fun and not care. But who cares about those instances...
Life is about experiencing. The more you experience the more you know (and the more you realise you don't know). I do agree that drugs are unnatural methods of experiencing emotions and yes excessive use and abuse of drugs is unhealthy and infact very very very FUCKED (i have a mate who's 26, he is always having acid flashbacks and is just the most parnoid fella i've ever seen). But to experience the hights that drugs give you (and lows) will open up your eyes to so much. I don't know how else to explain it. I know it may seem like i'm praising drugs like it's the fucking cure to cancer but honestly, i just don't like the people who say drugs are bad and are quick to dismiss it without ever trying it and because they group up in this thing called 'society' they take other peoples words for it. Drug addiction, excessive drug use and so on are bad. That's what does the damage to u in the long run. That's what is terrible. THat's what ruins your life.
Onto your second point. I do think if somebody relies on drugs to get by in life has serious issues (i'm not talking about prescription drugs, though antidepressants do fall into my list as well). It's the reason why they are on drugs that is more concerning, not the fact that they are on drugs. For example if your only happy/confident/churpy when your on drugs then why can't u be happy when your not on drugs, what issues are u dealing with that causes u to be unhappy etc etc. If someone uses drugs to get away from the pain and to escape reality... they're just running away from their issues... Only drug that is more than just psychology thing is H. Simply because the reliance the body gets to H is truly unbelievable. And detoxing out of that is just fucked. Your body doesn't need coke after excessive use of cocaine... your body doesn't need E after excessive popping of pills, same goes for weed, papers, speed etc. Your mind is the only thing that wants it.

 

[Vaudeville]

actually drugs are bad, it's like being hooked onto a respirator or having wires on your body doing shit for you.

Get high on life, trust me it's just as good if not better.

One month without drugs is nothing, try a lifetime... well count those two times i tried some but it was bullshit cause they are pointless.

 

[Butt Rubber]

actually drugs are bad, it's like being hooked onto a respirator or having wires on your body doing shit for you.

Get high on life, trust me it's just as good if not better.

One month without drugs is nothing, try a lifetime... well count those two times i tried some but it was bullshit cause they are pointless.

I'll take life with drugs over life without drugs to be honest

 

[Fataldawg]

This thread makes me want to smoke a blunt... seriously.. Wish i wasnt dry

 

[PuffnScruff]

This thread makes me want to smoke a blunt... seriously.. Wish i wasnt dry

i havent had a sprinkle of rain in almost half a year. talk about a dry

 

[Vaudeville]

I'll take life with drugs over life without drugs to be honest

alcohol is enough for me, and i drink once in a while it's nice trust me.:thumb: i ain't got no vice in my life. Except Porn and other .... oops

 

[_carmi]

You weren't disrespectful at all and i'm actually happy to have a debate about this.
Ok i guess i wasn't clear enough on what i was saying.
I don't think drugs are a spiritual experience but i do think the experience does make u into somebody afterwards. WHy i say this is because i've seen alot of conservative people who generally kept to themselves change their lives around only after one drug experience. Though they haven't touched the stuff since thier first experience, they can go out and have fun and not care. But who cares about those instances...
Life is about experiencing. The more you experience the more you know (and the more you realise you don't know). I do agree that drugs are unnatural methods of experiencing emotions and yes excessive use and abuse of drugs is unhealthy and infact very very very FUCKED (i have a mate who's 26, he is always having acid flashbacks and is just the most parnoid fella i've ever seen). But to experience the hights that drugs give you (and lows) will open up your eyes to so much. I don't know how else to explain it. I know it may seem like i'm praising drugs like it's the fucking cure to cancer but honestly, i just don't like the people who say drugs are bad and are quick to dismiss it without ever trying it and because they group up in this thing called 'society' they take other peoples words for it. Drug addiction, excessive drug use and so on are bad. That's what does the damage to u in the long run. That's what is terrible. THat's what ruins your life.
Onto your second point. I do think if somebody relies on drugs to get by in life has serious issues (i'm not talking about prescription drugs, though antidepressants do fall into my list as well). It's the reason why they are on drugs that is more concerning, not the fact that they are on drugs. For example if your only happy/confident/churpy when your on drugs then why can't u be happy when your not on drugs, what issues are u dealing with that causes u to be unhappy etc etc. If someone uses drugs to get away from the pain and to escape reality... they're just running away from their issues... Only drug that is more than just psychology thing is H. Simply because the reliance the body gets to H is truly unbelievable. And detoxing out of that is just fucked. Your body doesn't need coke after excessive use of cocaine... your body doesn't need E after excessive popping of pills, same goes for weed, papers, speed etc. Your mind is the only thing that wants it.

you are saying that having an excessive amount of a drug your body doesnt need it anymore? that aint true, the more you use, the more you want. and excessive use of drugs can end up in sicknesses or death.

and i dont think you need to experience drugs to have fun in your life. you're talking like if nobody can't have fun until they have taken drugs in their life after once.

and drugs fuck with chemicals in your brain. take heroine or cocaine, thats chemical straight up. i dont know where you take your knowledge of drugs, but i studied that dude, i dont know how you can say that drugs only fuck with your mind, they fuck with your brain too.

First of all Congrats Bank Robber, that is a huge accomplishment

as for everyone else. i went to school for Alcohol and Other Drug Abuse Counselor and drugs do things to the body and the brain that are not good whether used in moderation or abused. it's the same as alcohol, it kills your liver over time whether drank in moderation or abused. i drink and i know the consequences, alcoholism runs in my family i was an alcoholic at one time, i drank to not feel the pain and i was always drinking. now i have learned to control myself and drink in moderation if i feel like i'm starting to abuse it again, i stop!
in my opinion it is wrong to say that you will never find who you really are if you don't try drugs. i've never touched one illeagal drug in my life and i know exactly who i am. i went through alot of other hard times in my life to realize who i am. i watched my father be addictted to drugs, beat me and i went through emotional abuse from a boyfriend. so to me that showed me who i am and how strong i can be!
as for saying someone who can't control themselves is useless, you are basically saying that when i was an alcoholic my life was useless! and i disagree very much so. everyone in life has a purpose no matter what it is, their life means something.

:thumb: thanks for sharing girl

 

[stefanwzyga]

I aint into any drugs anymore at all, with the exception of a few lines of coke when ever my rich friend is dishing out the lines. And i have to say im glad all that drug shit is in my past! But the fact is that drugs open windows, and take you to places where the straight life cant.

 

[Butt Rubber]

wonderful places too

 

[Vaudeville]

I aint into any drugs anymore at all, with the exception of a few lines of coke when ever my rich friend is dishing out the lines. And i have to say im glad all that drug shit is in my past! But the fact is that drugs open windows, and take you to places where the straight life cant.

the gutter?

 

[Tru Principle]

You weren't disrespectful at all and i'm actually happy to have a debate about this.
Ok i guess i wasn't clear enough on what i was saying.
I don't think drugs are a spiritual experience but i do think the experience does make u into somebody afterwards. WHy i say this is because i've seen alot of conservative people who generally kept to themselves change their lives around only after one drug experience. Though they haven't touched the stuff since thier first experience, they can go out and have fun and not care. But who cares about those instances...
Life is about experiencing. The more you experience the more you know (and the more you realise you don't know). I do agree that drugs are unnatural methods of experiencing emotions and yes excessive use and abuse of drugs is unhealthy and infact very very very FUCKED (i have a mate who's 26, he is always having acid flashbacks and is just the most parnoid fella i've ever seen). But to experience the hights that drugs give you (and lows) will open up your eyes to so much. I don't know how else to explain it. I know it may seem like i'm praising drugs like it's the fucking cure to cancer but honestly, i just don't like the people who say drugs are bad and are quick to dismiss it without ever trying it and because they group up in this thing called 'society' they take other peoples words for it. Drug addiction, excessive drug use and so on are bad. That's what does the damage to u in the long run. That's what is terrible. THat's what ruins your life.
Onto your second point. I do think if somebody relies on drugs to get by in life has serious issues (i'm not talking about prescription drugs, though antidepressants do fall into my list as well). It's the reason why they are on drugs that is more concerning, not the fact that they are on drugs. For example if your only happy/confident/churpy when your on drugs then why can't u be happy when your not on drugs, what issues are u dealing with that causes u to be unhappy etc etc. If someone uses drugs to get away from the pain and to escape reality... they're just running away from their issues... Only drug that is more than just psychology thing is H. Simply because the reliance the body gets to H is truly unbelievable. And detoxing out of that is just fucked. Your body doesn't need coke after excessive use of cocaine... your body doesn't need E after excessive popping of pills, same goes for weed, papers, speed etc. Your mind is the only thing that wants it.

You sir should stick to talking about things related to business and politics and leave the physiological discussions to people like me... premedical students who actually learn by accredited, educated and well respected scientists. And oh...HELL YEAH, there is a physiological addiction to drugs... it's NOT just psychological. Are you that uneducated to not realize after you abuse any type of drug your body possibly will interpret it as a new found need and will demand it... have you not heard of the term "Withdrawal"... C'mon you really think im going to talk to you because of the books I read?? Don't be too quick to judge, everybody who talked to you here has experienced shit and is speaking on experience with the science they've learned aswell. I thought after reading Beautiful Angel's post you'd realize something but the shit has probably got to your brain.

I believe you're in denial about what you're doing, you're rationalizing the abuse of ilegal drugs. There is no abuse of hardcore in moderation man, the second it flows in your blood stream is the same second the negative physiological and psychological affects set in. Hardcore drugs don't simply affect your emotions, homie they're frying your brain and damaging your vital organs in the process.

i'm going to stay clean till adelaide... then bring out the hard stuff . coke, speed, x.

You sound like a drug addict... and if you claim to not be addicted to drugs, you obviously have a desire to do drugs. I don't know why you think this is some cool shit and some dope thing all people should do if they can. Drugs ARE bad, and drug addiction is WORSE man.

i just don't like the people who say drugs are bad and are quick to dismiss it without ever trying it and because they group up in this thing called 'society' they take other peoples words for it.

I really believe this shit has fried some vital brain cells because... this is how the entire world is... you're taught by the older generation then one day you will teach the new generation. When my Psychology professor taught us this, she convinced us not by just telling us to memorize the book ... she gave us experiments, proof.. irrefutable evidence that drug abuse and drug addiction are some fucked up things to have in your life. I'm not just taking other peoples word for it, im studying it my self... unless you're going to tell me every medical book out there is a load of shit... I guess I should just stop seeing my Doctors because medical books are a big conspiracy against people who enjoy drugs..in moderation.. like your self

WHy i say this is because i've seen alot of conservative people who generally kept to themselves change their lives around only after one drug experience. Though they haven't touched the stuff since thier first experience, they can go out and have fun and not care. But who cares about those instances...

Yeah i'm sure it was the drugs that made them better people and made them more out going... you should tell that to the millions of people world wide suffering from drug addiction, and to that 16 year old kid on a scholarship who just tried cocaine for the first time and just OD'd because his dumb friend (somebody like you) told him to try the shit because man.. it's a fucking eye-opener.

Life is about experiencing. The more you experience the more you know (and the more you realise you don't know).

So if life is about experiencing... should I just go murder,rape people? Steal somebody's car? Maybe throw a dozen endangered birds out my window when they're still babies who can't fly? Yeah that seems like a cool thought, life is about experiencing shit so fuck all morals and ethics and our brain that took millions of years to evolve to this level of intelligence for us to swallow garbage and fry it.

That's what does the damage to u in the long run. That's what is terrible. THat's what ruins your life.

WRONG WRONG WRONG, if you try drug for the first time YOU CAN HAVE damage to your body...and somebody like you who is doing it in umm *cough,cough* (MODERATION) is definitely damaging his body.

For example if your only happy/confident/churpy when your on drugs then why can't u be happy when your not on drugs, what issues are u dealing with that causes u to be unhappy etc etc. If someone uses drugs to get away from the pain and to escape reality... they're just running away from their issues.

You do realize you're talking about your self here right...? And oh I bet if some how, somebody made it a fact that when you went on your little trip you wouldn't be able to abuse any ilegal drugs... it would probably fuck up your whole trip and you wouldn't enjoy it and you'd be depressed... hmm I wonder what htat might indicate.

Your body doesn't need coke after excessive use of cocaine... your body doesn't need E after excessive popping of pills, same goes for weed, papers, speed etc. Your mind is the only thing that wants it.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Rahim]

You sir should stick to talking about things related to business and politics and leave the physiological discussions to people like me... premedical students who actually learn by accredited, educated and well respected scientists. And oh...HELL YEAH, there is a physiological addiction to drugs... it's NOT just psychological. Are you that uneducated to not realize after you abuse any type of drug your body possibly will interpret it as a new found need and will demand it... have you not heard of the term "Withdrawal"... C'mon you really think im going to talk to you because of the books I read?? Don't be too quick to judge, everybody who talked to you here has experienced shit and is speaking on experience with the science they've learned aswell. I thought after reading Beautiful Angel's post you'd realize something but the shit has probably got to your brain.

I believe you're in denial about what you're doing, you're rationalizing the abuse of ilegal drugs. There is no abuse of hardcore in moderation man, the second it flows in your blood stream is the same second the negative physiological and psychological affects set in. Hardcore drugs don't simply affect your emotions, homie they're frying your brain and damaging your vital organs in the process.



You sound like a drug addict... and if you claim to not be addicted to drugs, you obviously have a desire to do drugs. I don't know why you think this is some cool shit and some dope thing all people should do if they can. Drugs ARE bad, and drug addiction is WORSE man.



I really believe this shit has fried some vital brain cells because... this is how the entire world is... you're taught by the older generation then one day you will teach the new generation. When my Psychology professor taught us this, she convinced us not by just telling us to memorize the book ... she gave us experiments, proof.. irrefutable evidence that drug abuse and drug addiction are some fucked up things to have in your life. I'm not just taking other peoples word for it, im studying it my self... unless you're going to tell me every medical book out there is a load of shit... I guess I should just stop seeing my Doctors because medical books are a big conspiracy against people who enjoy drugs..in moderation.. like your self



Yeah i'm sure it was the drugs that made them better people and made them more out going... you should tell that to the millions of people world wide suffering from drug addiction, and to that 16 year old kid on a scholarship who just tried cocaine for the first time and just OD'd because his dumb friend (somebody like you) told him to try the shit because man.. it's a fucking eye-opener.



So if life is about experiencing... should I just go murder,rape people? Steal somebody's car? Maybe throw a dozen endangered birds out my window when they're still babies who can't fly? Yeah that seems like a cool thought, life is about experiencing shit so fuck all morals and ethics and our brain that took millions of years to evolve to this level of intelligence for us to swallow garbage and fry it.



WRONG WRONG WRONG, if you try drug for the first time YOU CAN HAVE damage to your body...and somebody like you who is doing it in umm *cough,cough* (MODERATION) is definitely damaging his body.



You do realize you're talking about your self here right...? And oh I bet if some how, somebody made it a fact that when you went on your little trip you wouldn't be able to abuse any ilegal drugs... it would probably fuck up your whole trip and you wouldn't enjoy it and you'd be depressed... hmm I wonder what htat might indicate.



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

"You tell them Johnny! You tell the world!" - Barks Root Bear Commercial

 

[HiGhTillDeaTH]

Tru Principle, u are a good man.


Salar, drugs are very bad. Tru Principle already hit u with the facts now im just going to try and explain a one thing. First off a little back story.

I have watched 1,2,3,4,5,6,7(counting as im going) say almost the exact things that u said. I have watched my friends loose 30-40 LBS from being addicted to cocaine. I have watch 2 close friends ive known all my life take double digit xanax and completely black out and act like fools. Well not fools, they act like brain-dead morons. They blackout and have no control over there body. They break into their next door neighboors cars, break open ATM machines and wake up the next day and dont remember doing anything. Or in certain cases they wake up in jail and have to call all their friends to figure out what the fuck they did the night before. Ive watched 2 other friends get addicted to oxy, vic. They need that shit just to get through the day. They need to pop 4 or 5 perks just to get through a 4 hour day at work.

So my main point is drugs make the user become "caught up" and loose a sense of reality. Depending on what, and the amount have a lot to do with this. When u are taking drugs ur priorities are completely fucked. They are not in the right order at all. U can say that u control urself all u want, but why, why do u have to sit in here and prove urself to us? We are on a message board, very few of us if any, will ever see u in real life. If u were in control of ur situation u wouldnt feel the need to go out of ur way in order to try and convince a bunch of strangers about your drug habits.

Im not saying ur a drug abuser or anything, im just explaining my experiences and what i feel ive learned.

 

[ApacalypseNow]

thatz good man, reaLLy, i need 2 do tha same thing. Keep it UP.

 

[Tru Principle]

Upppppppppppppppping!