Itz official...Tookie is beng executed early tuesday.

There's absolutey nothing he can do to erase his actions in the past, but the dude did alot of good since then. There are plenty of young people that look up to him now. The dude is a real peace maker and I think he deserves some credit for the things he has done. I'm not saying forget about what he did like it never happened though. He was nominated for the nobel peace prize TWICE. That says alot because we all know not just anybody gets nominated for something like that. That's a very big accomplishment, even to just be nominated. He wrote those childrens books and made peace within gangs. He didn't have to bother with the gangs anymore, but he used his position to make good.

Killing him won't make things better. I'm sure the familys of those he supposedly killed will sleep better, but what else? Nothing. The death penalty is bullshit. You don't say it's wrong to kill someone and then kill that same person. It's a really hypocritical system if you ask me. God should say when the dude dies, not some actor turned governer, judges, wardens or anyone else for that matter. Why would you kill the dude when he can still do plenty of good for the community. Like I said, people look up to him. He is about peace now. I'm not saying let him free, but he's obviously no threat. So why not let him spend the rest of his life in prison. Is that not enough punishment? I'm starting to think maybe he is better off just dying and going to heaven.
 
Before i felt that he should be killed due to him killing people but then after reading into it more and looking into other people's point of view my point has changed.

The world creates jails to get criminals of the street and make them rehabilitate, what is the point of jail if the criminals are not allowed to do that? Why create a system where you are given a extra chance but then have that chance taken away? Thats fucked up!

Anyways not long left now...
 
Damn. R.I.P, him and his victims.






On Fox News the guy is there where they are protesting and it's funny cus there is a sign being held right behind the camera saying "Fox Lies", and they are all yelling it, kind of funny.

It still annoys the shit out of me, all they are talking about is the crimes, what about what he has done. Damn, just damn.
 
Dunno about this... I will always say R.I.P. Tookie but he killed 4 people and he should of been exacuted. Yeah, he was a nobel prize nominee but so was hitler. Should Hitler die if was captured? Hell Yeah. So that my opinion. You can bash it if you want, its whatever.
 
Those who root for the death penalty, I don't see how you can do it. Last time I checked, there is only one being that dictates whether or not someone should live or die. Hitler killed thousands with his genocide, but if God allowed him to live until he was 200 years old, then so be it.

As a kid growing up, my mom always told me "Two wrongs don't make a right." That applies in every situation. A little over 5 years ago now, someone had killed my cousin. They kidnapped her, shot her 5 times in the face and dumped her body in a swamp. I get heated even talking about this situation. 'til this day, they have not found the killer. By her being my family, of course I want revenge. But in the back of my mind, I know that this isn't the right road to travel. I could wish that the person who shot my cousin was also killed, but it wouldn't mean shit because that person will face the ultimate punishment when he meets his/our maker.

I feel that all life and death should be dictated by God, and only by him. Anyone who thinks otherwise are clearly overstepping their boundaries.
 
only one thing:

please leave God out of this thread. you know that there are people out there who do not believe in god, right? so its absolutely senseless to bring up this argument and makes everything even more complicated..
 
beReal said:
only one thing:

please leave God out of this thread. you know that there are people out there who do not believe in god, right? so its absolutely senseless to bring up this argument and makes everything even more complicated..

That's why arguments are based on opinions. I can say God all I want, as long as it reflects my opinion and what I'm trying to get across. I can't hold back my thoughts because of what someone does or doesn't believe in. My place is to just release my feelings. The person who reads my statement can decipher what it means to them for themselves.
 
Confucius87 said:
That's why arguments are based on opinions. I can say God all I want, as long as it reflects my opinion and what I'm trying to get across. I can't hold back my thoughts because of what someone does or doesn't believe in. My place is to just release my feelings. The person who reads my statement can decipher what it means to them for themselves.

of course you can but thats not really what i was talking about.

the question was basically: "was it right to give Tookie the death penalty?"

your argument (which is your most important argument, right?) "i believe in god and its only up to him to take someones life" holds no weight in a society where not everyone believs in god. it would only work if every citizen is a believer.

see you bring up your argument and the other person, who reflects the other sides opinion, says: "so? i dont believe in god! i respect your point of view but how can we arrain an argument which is only based on faith?" Your argument holds no weight in this case it would be override.

i hope this makes it a bit more clear...
 
Are you guys for fucking real?? the guy was a fucking MURDERER! and founding the Crips represented a great fucking contribution to human society too didnt it, but ahhh no HE WROTE A BOOK! SAVE HIS ASS HE WROTE A BOOK! Give me a fucking break and wise up all of you, if it was your mother, father brother and sister he murdered would you be saying the same thing??

Are we allowed to go free from murder cos we write fucking books??

Good riddance to the fucking murdering scum, Arnold for re election
 
PuffnScruff said:
it really is not easy getting free college courses, access to the internet for free, a place to work out, free food, even cable t.v., that we pay for.
actually.. they work... most work harder than you and get paid 3rd world country wages.. they dont just sit there

and

not everyone gets cable tv, barely any get the internet, most workout equipment has beeen banned because of the danger of havin free weights
 
Stanley 'Tookie' Williams Executed By Lethal Injection

The execution at San Quentin just after midnight took longer than usual, as the execution team spent 12 minutes trying to find a vein in the muscular 51-year-old's arm.
Tuesday, December 13, 2005
Contra Costa Times


SAN QUENTIN, Calif. - Stanley "Tookie" Williams was executed by lethal injection early Tuesday morning, ending an emotionally charged campaign to spare the co-founder of the notorious Crips street gang.

Williams, 51, was pronounced dead at 12:35 a.m. PST after spending nearly half his life on death row.

He was convicted of four 1979 shotgun murders and became the 12th California inmate executed in the modern death-penalty era.

Williams' death, carried out in the prison's 67-year-old, lime-green gas chamber, followed a flurry of 11th-hour appeals to state and federal courts.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied clemency for Williams in a five-page written statement issued at 12:30 p.m. Monday, shortly after a panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals denied Williams' request for reprieve. The U.S. Supreme Court later rejected his final appeal.

Twice Monday evening Schwarzenegger refused to postpone the lethal injection.

Williams, who initially declined to invite witnesses to his execution, changed his mind about 6:30 p.m. and named five people, whom the California Department of Corrections refused to identify.

Fifty people observed Williams' death, including 17 reporters. Although Department of Corrections officials refused to say if anyone from the victims' families were included, victim Albert Owens' stepmother, Lora Owens, was expected.

Owens has been adamant about wanting Williams' death sentence carried out.

Williams spent his final hours with Department of Corrections staff in a 45-foot-square "death watch cell" adjacent to the execution chamber. He read from a stack of 50 to 75 letters offering solace from well-wishers from as far away as Italy and Israel.

He did not ask for his own spiritual adviser, but Williams earlier Monday visited with six people, including the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

He declined to request a final meal but was offered the prison's meal of the day: chili macaroni, green beans, a roll and iced tea.

"He's been very calm, very cooperative," said department spokeswoman Elaine Jennings.

Williams was 17 when he and a friend, Raymond Washington, founded the Crips, a violent Los Angeles street gang that would spread wildly across the country and overseas.

A jury convicted Williams in the 1979 shotgun killings of convenience store clerk Albert Owens, 26, during a 7-Eleven robbery in Whittier; and of Yen-I Yang, 76, his wife, Tsai-Shai Yang, 63, and their daughter, Ye-Chen Lin, 43, during a robbery at the motel they ran in Los Angeles.

He racked up several violent offenses in his early years at San Quentin but later claimed to have experienced a transformation during six years of isolation in the "Hole."

Over the past decade, his cautionary children's books and campaign for gang peace brought him a rare celebrity, spurred by perennial Nobel Peace Prize nominations and a cable TV movie starring Jamie Foxx as Williams.

The NAACP and death penalty opponents mounted an aggressive campaign for mercy. Pleas came from numerous Hollywood stars, Jackson and thousands of parents, teachers and youths vouching for the value of his work.

But while Williams apologized for the gang's violent legacy, he maintained his innocence in the killings that landed him on death row. In his memoir, "Blue Rage, Black Redemption," Williams takes credit for numerous acts of raw violence but never admits committing or ordering murder.

In his clemency denial, Schwarzenegger cast suspicion on Williams' redemption, writing that the evidence of his guilt was clear.

"Without an apology and atonement for these senseless and brutal killings there can be no redemption," the governor stated in his decision. "In this case, the one thing that would be the clearest indication of complete remorse and full redemption is the one thing Williams will not do."

Jonathan Harris, an attorney who argued for clemency last week at a meeting with Schwarzenegger, chided the governor for not meeting personally with Williams.

"It is impossible for me to believe, if you have met Stanley Williams and spent time with him, you would not believe in his personal redemption," said Harris.

Late Monday, Harris twice asked the governor to postpone the execution based on the claims of four people who have come forward to cast doubt on witness testimony in Williams' murder trial. Harris asked for a reprieve until the Legislature considers a bill next month that would enact a death penalty moratorium.

Jackson, who met with the condemned man Monday, said Williams was hopeful early in the day, then smiled when Jackson told him of Schwarzenegger's decision.

"He knows that he's made a huge turnaround," said Jackson. "He'll be martyred as a force for good."

Williams' prosecution, which featured the testimony of criminal associates, an accomplice and a jailhouse informant, stood up to numerous state and federal court challenges.

He appealed on a variety of claims, including charges that his trial was tainted by racially biased jury selection, that police work was shoddy and that prosecutors withheld secret deals for leniency with at least one person who testified that Williams bragged about the crimes.

He argued that his lawyer failed to seek his own ballistics tests to counter a police expert who tied Williams' sawed-off, 12-gauge shotgun to a shell found at the motel crime scene. In recent appeals, Williams also argued that he was involuntarily drugged while in jail awaiting trial.

Prosecutors pointed to hand-written notes that Williams wrote from jail, plotting to escape, blow up a bus with dynamite and kill an accomplice who would later testify against him.

"This case has been in a perpetual state of appeal for 2 { decades," said Nathan Barankin, a spokesman for Attorney General Bill Lockyer. "When witnesses come out with radically new testimony at the eleventh-hour before an execution, it's viewed skeptically."

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(c) 2005, Contra Costa Times (Walnut Creek, Calif.).

Visit the Contra Costa Times on the Web at http://www.contracostatimes.com.

Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services.
 
FrOgStRaDaMuS said:
actually.. they work... most work harder than you and get paid 3rd world country wages.. they dont just sit there

and

not everyone gets cable tv, barely any get the internet, most workout equipment has beeen banned because of the danger of havin free weights

i know not everyone in every prison get those things but, just speaking from what i have heard from friends who have been to prison
 
KO said:
Are you guys for fucking real?? the guy was a fucking MURDERER! and founding the Crips represented a great fucking contribution to human society too didnt it, but ahhh no HE WROTE A BOOK! SAVE HIS ASS HE WROTE A BOOK! Give me a fucking break and wise up all of you, if it was your mother, father brother and sister he murdered would you be saying the same thing??

Are we allowed to go free from murder cos we write fucking books??

Good riddance to the fucking murdering scum, Arnold for re election


Yes, he was convicted of killing 4 people. But we all know in this American justice system, just because you are convicted doesn't mean you did the crime. I have yet to have seen any hard-hitting evidence that has truly proven that Tookie did it. And read my first post - Yes, I would be saying the same thing.
 
Its fucked up how people can come together to free a supposed "murderer", but when its something to do with the whole community to come together and stop violence nobody gives a shit.

It also annoys me when celebs get into it, people often listen to the celebs instead of trying to understand what the judge and lawyers say, granted the lawyers prolly do sometimes lie but it seems like people rather pay attention to "Free Tookie Yo, Did some bad things now rehabilitated yo"
 

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