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Rukas

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#21
the thing im worried about is to where to get these sound libraries and how good quality they will be if i bought them online..or from wherever...do u purchase ur drumkits/libraries from online vendors?
Purchase, leach, swap, etc etc. They're the same sounds that many major producers use, so they are good. Of course a lot of people like Dre for example have their own drum sounds that they make by tweaking previous sounds or sampling something new, but you'll find things pretty close to it online, and fruity loops comes with the basics such as the 808 set.
 

Rukas

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#22
k i just looked that up and it turns out that most VST's are also RTAS compatible so that means they will work on pro tools which is good for me:thumb:.

my next question is this:

lets say i put down a C5 note on the grid using any synth and the length of the note is 2 bars long. how would i change the pitch of just that single note half way through using pro-tools?
You wouldnt, ideally, you would do that in a program designed to do that. I mean, you could run a tuner or pitch RTAS over it, but that is very resource intensive. Ideally, you'd do all the beat making with in Fruity Loops, which is designed with that type of stuff.

Pro Tools is primarily for mixing and recording vocals with. I dont know anybody that makes beats within Pro Tools really.
 

Rukas

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#23
A question i have is about id tags for .wav audio. Sony Acid Pro doesn't support id tags for .wav audio, but does pro-tools support this feature to add/change id2 and id3 tags to the .wav file so i could burn the .wav directly to cd?

Let me know. thanks.

oh ya...terminology question:


What is a rig? and what is the full word for rig?
I dont know, I use winamp to edit all of my tags.

A rig is a hardware rig, way out of your budget. I think the cheapest Pro Tools HD solution is $25,000.
 

Rahim

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#24
Purchase, leach, swap, etc etc. They're the same sounds that many major producers use, so they are good. Of course a lot of people like Dre for example have their own drum sounds that they make by tweaking previous sounds or sampling something new, but you'll find things pretty close to it online, and fruity loops comes with the basics such as the 808 set.
i see i see. thats what ive been basically doing basically but now im looking for a new way because of quality issues. also when i buy a cd and i hear a kick or snare that hasnt been exposed through out the song, i usually rip the .wav from the cd and chop up the snare or kick so i can keep that .wav quality in mix project. but yeah i know exactly what your talking about..its exactly what ive been doing.

i acctually started out using drum kits on that i could download online which people put together themselves but the problem was that these kits were chopped very poorly and they weren't real .wav quality (from what it sounded like) and im pretty sure they were downloaded mp3's of songs which they later converted to .wav. quality is really important to me.

I started out using FL 2 + years ago..messed around with it for about 6 months without making a single beat..and then learning how to mix just a hi-hat, snare and kick together...and then slowly learned what the main elements were of making an instrumental..and then i learned what the effects were for, i learned how to assign effects to each of the instruments...i learned the difference between the two types of oscilaters when producing your own synth...pitch change, panning, eq'ing, when to add compression to an instrumental and when not to, etc...

ive also been using Sony Acid Pro as well to mix instruments, add effects, mix vocals, pan, volume, eq, etc, etc..

and im also fucking with .wav lab right now as well.

but the reason i want to switch to pro tools is because i learned that FL isnt good enough to process the final mix as other software like pro-tools. its not the sound quality its more of how everything just fits together...so thats one reason i want to switch to pro-tools.

for some reason i always thought that you could arrange and do everything on pro-tools like you could with FL. I thought you could acctually play and arrange like you could on FL.

so basically what ur saying is i cannot do that? that pro-tools cant provide that and im stuck with FL for the rest of my life?

i plan on going into producing music as a career and thats why im asking alot of questions. i plan on taking a pro-tools course in the near future after i finish my IT program. i was acctually looking at taking a music degree program because i love music, not just producing, but i like listening to classical, orchastral, etc, etc (not going out of my way to listen to it ofcourse..but if its on the radio or on tv...u might just catch watching it for the music).....

i am also big on 80s music...i bought a yamaha dx-7 almost a year ago...i bought it just for the rhodes piano because i luv rhodes piano....and the yamaha dx-7 was really popular during the 80's for making love ballads...and thats the type of music i like alot...


so basically myfinal question...is pro-tools the same thing as FL when it comes to arranging each note, etc, etc...is it capable of doing that? can i arrange different synths right on the pro-tools grid like i can with FL?


sorry for the long ass post...but its about time i switched to pro-tools because i already have alot of knowledge from using Fl and sony acid pro. ive learned the foundation of producing music very well and now i want to move forward. people dont take Fl so seriously and i dont like that. so if that means i have to switch to industry standard software...it doesnt bother me at all because im learning more too and i love music.
 

Rahim

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#25
I dont know, I use winamp to edit all of my tags.

A rig is a hardware rig, way out of your budget. I think the cheapest Pro Tools HD solution is $25,000.
you can change the id3 tags of .wav files with winamp?? yeah right?? i use winamp for mp3s but thats it..didnt know it was possible with .wav's

is there a special plugin you use?
 

Rahim

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#26
You wouldnt, ideally, you would do that in a program designed to do that. I mean, you could run a tuner or pitch RTAS over it, but that is very resource intensive. Ideally, you'd do all the beat making with in Fruity Loops, which is designed with that type of stuff.

Pro Tools is primarily for mixing and recording vocals with. I dont know anybody that makes beats within Pro Tools really.
so basically something similiar to the pro-tools software would be Sony Acid Pro? (i just need to get a better picture of the program because i thought it was more then it acctually is)
 

Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
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#27
so basically something similiar to the pro-tools software would be Sony Acid Pro? (i just need to get a better picture of the program because i thought it was more then it acctually is)
No, Acid Pro is basically something you use to arrange music in.

Pro Tools can be compared to Logic, Sonar, or even Adobe Audition.

You really need to get out of the habit of trying to do everything in one application.

Your beat should be made in something like Fruity Loops, then you need to put it into Pro Tools and master it, then you can either record new vocals over it in Pro Tools or import an accapella and add it to the beat on a separate track, then you can master that vocals in Pro Tools, and create a master track to master it all together.

Although I prefer to master the final song in Wavelab.
 

Rukas

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#28
you can change the id3 tags of .wav files with winamp?? yeah right?? i use winamp for mp3s but thats it..didnt know it was possible with .wav's

is there a special plugin you use?
Pretty sure you can do it with wavs, if not, just use Windows Media Player you can do it in there.
 

Rahim

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#29
No, Acid Pro is basically something you use to arrange music in.

Pro Tools can be compared to Logic, Sonar, or even Adobe Audition.

You really need to get out of the habit of trying to do everything in one application.

Your beat should be made in something like Fruity Loops, then you need to put it into Pro Tools and master it, then you can either record new vocals over it in Pro Tools or import an accapella and add it to the beat on a separate track, then you can master that vocals in Pro Tools, and create a master track to master it all together.

Although I prefer to master the final song in Wavelab.
from what u said i do have a better understanding of how pro-tools software actually is... but before FL was even made..back in like the early early 90's...what did music producers use to arrange and sequence each note (like how i explained it before)....have u used any software like that which is compatible with pro-tools..that gives me the freedom that FL does in arranging and sequencing synths (which is also compatible with pro-tools)?

because there are alot of RTAS synth software thats compatible with pro-tools but i still don't understand how you could actually use them on pro-tools if u cant arrange and sequence the notes like u would on FL...

but ur right i do need to break the habit of depending on type of software...

i do plan on buying a guitar...ive looked at the EJ strat...i think thats the one i want to work with and grow with...and the digi 003 protools or whatever its called...might be something im thinking of buying in the future...and i can basically just record the guitar using the hardware that comes with the protools 003

basically im going to work with a downloaded copy of pro-tools for now....view that dvd turorial and then from then we'll see what happens.....and then in the near future if i dont get tired of music that is..(i hope not)..i will purchase some more hardware..


thanks for the help with answering my questions
 

Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
Staff member
#30
from what u said i do have a better understanding of how pro-tools software actually is... but before FL was even made..back in like the early early 90's...what did music producers use to arrange and sequence each note (like how i explained it before)....have u used any software like that which is compatible with pro-tools..that gives me the freedom that FL does in arranging and sequencing synths (which is also compatible with pro-tools)?

because there are alot of RTAS synth software thats compatible with pro-tools but i still don't understand how you could actually use them on pro-tools if u cant arrange and sequence the notes like u would on FL...

but ur right i do need to break the habit of depending on type of software...

i do plan on buying a guitar...ive looked at the EJ strat...i think thats the one i want to work with and grow with...and the digi 003 protools or whatever its called...might be something im thinking of buying in the future...and i can basically just record the guitar using the hardware that comes with the protools 003

basically im going to work with a downloaded copy of pro-tools for now....view that dvd turorial and then from then we'll see what happens.....and then in the near future if i dont get tired of music that is..(i hope not)..i will purchase some more hardware..


thanks for the help with answering my questions
You can use Reason which sits within Pro Tools, and you do all of your arranging in Reason and then it automatically syncs to a track in Pro Tools.

As for using a downloaded copy of Pro Tools, you cant do that unless you have some pro tools hardware.

You should look into getting the Mbox 2 Pro. You can use that to record your guitar too as it has a built in pre amp.
 

Rahim

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#31
You can use Reason which sits within Pro Tools, and you do all of your arranging in Reason and then it automatically syns to a track in Pro Tools.

As for using a downloaded copy of Pro Tools, you cant do that unless you have some pro tools hardware.

You should look into getting the Mbox 2 Pro. You can use that to record your guitar too as it has a built in pre amp.
thanks.
 

PuffnScruff

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#33
I dont know anybody that makes beats within Pro Tools really.
will.i.am has uses pro tools to do beats with and nothing else. i mean literally no drum pads, kits, or anything. i've read some articles from him and his engineer that talk about how he will make a full beat in pro tools with not external hardware or plugins like fruity loops.

you can make beats on digidesigns new Stirke! plugin. i have that and it is awesome
 

Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
Staff member
#34
will.i.am has uses pro tools to do beats with and nothing else. i mean literally no drum pads, kits, or anything. i've read some articles from him and his engineer that talk about how he will make a full beat in pro tools with not external hardware or plugins like fruity loops.

you can make beats on digidesigns new Stirke! plugin. i have that and it is awesome
No drum pads or kits? Ermm... Where is he getting his sounds from then?
 

Rukas

Capo Dei Capi
Staff member
#38
again, not the answer i was looking for....i guess ill keep looking

its too hard for me to be dependent on several applications....hmm...

It is the answer you are looking for. Reason runs as an RTAS within Pro Tools.

Thats what you want right?
 

PuffnScruff

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#39
No drum pads or kits? Ermm... Where is he getting his sounds from then?
lol yea i shouldn't have said kits, what can i say it was early and i had been up for like 30 mins.

but from what i remember from the article will.i.am would work strickly with on his laptop and an mbox on the road and just arrange and play with sampling songs and arranging them the way he wanted then copy and paste kicks and snare etc in grid mode. then when he would get into the studio record live drums in the session or redo the drums with an mpc or both.

i actually have an interesting interview with tony maserati, who is a big name engineer in the hip hop, rnb, and pop world. he talks about working with will and uses a particle pro tools session as an example of some of things he would do, especially with beat detective when layering live drums and sampled and synth drums. i'll try to see if i can scan it this weekend and upload if i get time
 

PuffnScruff

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#40
thats what i thought....thanks.


edit: its only limited to drums tho.

is there an RTAS specifically designed for arranging synths/instruments note-by-note?
actually, digidesign just put out a new plugin that might be what you are looking for. it is called Structure. it is similar to halion. pretty nice plugin. i beta tested it in the spring when digidesign was offering it to the public to try out and give their opinions on but i haven't tried out the final product yet. they do offer a free version, so if you ever do go with pro tools you can download the free version and try it out.

another thing on strike there is going to be a 2nd version of the plug in, which i was told by a digi rep it was going to be out by the end of '07 but it looks like they are holding off until '08, but it is going to be more focued toward hip hop and electronic drum sounds. it will have all the classic drum machine in like the 808, 909, dmx, etc.
 

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