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[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Liverpool played better, had a much sounder defensive game and were overall the superior team. Perhaps outclassed was a little strong but you know the essence of my point. You said Madrid aren't a force anymore just because they didn't win the big trophies, when I point out neither did Chelsea (excluding the Premiership) you immediately jump on the defensive. Look at it objectively and you might end up agreeing with me.

Not just because they didn't win the big trophies, but the age & form of their players was in my mind too.

OK......

There is no contradiction there. For instance, Craig Brewster is easily more offensively aware than Cristiano Ronaldo but he is not a better player, right?

Robben's a good player when did I ever state he wasn't? However for the hype he's given, he highly overrated in my book. I consider both Duff and Giggs better players. Maybe I'm just innately stupid but that's the way I see it.

Seeing them as better players is not stupid, overlooking Robben's form is.

I never said Mourinho wasn't a shrewd manager I was simply attempting to rebut your ludicrous agrument that Fergie wasn't. His track record over 18 years prove the exact opposite. He was an extremely shrewd manager at Aberdeen and his record at United proves the same. Again I can list 20 people who were bargin basement buys and turned out to be great players at OT but you'd just ignore it. You're simply taking my points and spinning them to what you want me to say rather than what I really am.

Look, you said Mourinho had billions, I said he didn't always. You returned with Ferguson didn't have billions.......??? Didn't make sense as no-one claimed he had.

A call for calm is need here. Calcuo you're a smart guy but you're getting way too hot under the collar for me to debate you properly. I accept the validity of your viewpoint but you must accept that I simply have differing views. I'm not a hater on Robben far from it. I simply believe him to be overrated. His performances before and after Euro 2004 have done nothing too change that. It's not that I'm ignoring he was injured against Liverpool, I accept he was, however that match compunded my dislike of him as a player. I base my opinion on over a season's work not one match. Let's go back to my original point, United are as good a team or argubaly better than Chelsea, am I not correct? Anyway this topic no longer interests me anymore, happy arguing

You hate on Robben like I hate on Michael Owen. Not necessarily the player, but the public perception of the player. It's hate all the same.

Well, I am 'arguably' the modern equivalent of Zico so you can't exactly be wrong.

 

[Zero Cool]

Not just because they didn't win the big trophies, but the age & form of their players was in my mind too.

Well I don't agree. Madrid may be not be that young but they're not that old either. Next season they'll be back amongst the big trophies.

There is no contradiction there. For instance, Craig Brewster is easily more offensively aware than Cristiano Ronaldo but he is not a better player, right?

I think Fletcher is more offensivley aware and better going forward. He may not be as good as Makelele yet but he's on that level.

Seeing them as better players is not stupid, overlooking Robben's form is.

Again I never disputed he's had good form. I simply believe him to be overrated.

Look, you said Mourinho had billions, I said he didn't always. You returned with Ferguson didn't have billions.......??? Didn't make sense as no-one claimed he had.

You claimed Mourinho didn't have billions so I rebutted neither did Ferguson. My point was in the context of you claiming Ferguson was not a shrewd tactician in the transfer market.

You hate on Robben like I hate on Michael Owen. Not necessarily the player, but the public perception of the player. It's hate all the same.

Hate? No. Overrated? Yes.

Well, I am 'arguably' the modern equivalent of Zico so you can't exactly be wrong.

"As good a team" That's a definite statement the last time I checked. Then I said argubaly better as everyone has their own viewpoint. At the end of the day that's all I really wanted to say.

 

[Matt10]

reading all of this about chelseas millions and that, i have a fact which some of u dont know about.

when united got beat by chelsea at OT, uniteds team cost more than the chelsea team that night. true story. if anybody would like 2 findout these teams that night and work it out how much both teams cost, u would be surprised.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Again I never disputed he's had good form. I simply believe him to be overrated.

But you told me following Euro 2004 - ie. this season - that Robben 'has done little to justify himself to me' indicating poor form at worst & average at best.

You claimed Mourinho didn't have billions so I rebutted neither did Ferguson. My point was in the context of you claiming Ferguson was not a shrewd tactician in the transfer market.

Wrong. Get things in order. I said Mourinho was more shrewd, YOU came at me with the 'billions' comment, I dismantled that by stating that he was without 'billions' at Porto........to 'rebut' by telling me that Fergsuon never had billions was not to 'rebut' at all!! I never claimed Ferguson had billions & I never claimed Mourinho to be better because he was without billions. I simply pointed out your error. There was no leeway to build off my statement.

 

[Zero Cool]

But you told me following Euro 2004 - ie. this season - that Robben 'has done little to justify himself to me' indicating poor form at worst & average at best.

No. He's had good form at times this season but not enough to justify his previous hype IMO.

Wrong. Get things in order. I said Mourinho was more shrewd, YOU came at me with the 'billions' comment, I dismantled that by stating that he was without 'billions' at Porto........to 'rebut' by telling me that Fergsuon never had billions was not to 'rebut' at all!! I never claimed Ferguson had billions & I never claimed Mourinho to be better because he was without billions. I simply pointed out your error. There was no leeway to build off my statement.

*Yawns*

Again I can only reiterate the point was in the context of Ferguson being a shrewd tactician in the transfer market. Maybe I misunderstood, and if so I'm deeply apologetic, but my point was this.

It's not hard to purchase shrewdly when you have endless amounts of money (i.e. Mourinho at Chelsea now).

Then you said he didn't have much money at Porto. I agreed. However to put things in context, neither did Ferguson and he still purchased a number of United's greatest ever players therefore he can hardly be as useless in the transfer market as you (falsley) originally claimed. Understand?

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

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