Chicken is foul!

[Preach]

Do you think they existed like they do today do you, they would have been scattered as fuck through the land smartguy so to survive on them would have been next to impossible, and back then we basically were animals oursleves I would pressume, with probably not a great deal of intelligent thought.

I'm not sure if I understand the argument that they were scattered. So were the animals. And I disagree with the last part of your post. That we were animals with "probaby not a great deal of intelligent thought". I'm not talking about neanderthals. They can be considered a different species. I'm talking about the first generation of homo sapien sapien, or if you think symbolically you understand what I mean. Individuals with the same/very very similar physiology. I'm not saying that because we ate it then, we should eat it now. I'm saying that no human should ever have to wake up at a given point in time on a daily basis and do a job. We're supposed to wake up by ourselves when the sun comes up. But due to the many hundreds of millions of little routines and rules and etiquettes we humans have developed over millenias, the consequence is that you have a totally irrational thought that is unnatural for your species - that you shouldn't take in a particular kind of nutrition. A tiger will not think about the pain you go through when it chews you up, so why should you consider the pain it goes through when you shoot it and kill it? And I'm not saying I would gladly kill all animals, this last paragraph doesn't necessarily even reflect what I personally think. What I think is irrelevant, I'm trying to pain you an abstract picture of a thought concept that I want you to entertain for a while for your own sake.

So what? And withdraw all your points if you like, they are all shit anyway, so no harm done. There are studies for and against, just curious if you read any of the PRO veg ones? I have read both. I think anyone can lack nutrition if you don't have a balanced diet, meat eater or not. Vegos do have to be more weary that they are getting everything they need, but if they do that, they are sweet. Just read a few ex meat eater stories, a lot of them seem to feel way better when they give up meat, strange huh?

Lol. Nice burn. I respectfully disagree, however. As for the point you present, don't you see how it is biased? A lot of people that turned into vegetarians were happier after they did. Okay. If I study to become a lawyer I will probably be very happy when I'm done, but that's not a solid reason for me to actually start law school, unless it's what I actually want. So if I want something and get it, I'm happy too. It's sort of pointless to mention that all meat eaters that stopped eating meat feel happier, because I'm sure all vegetarians that thought "FUCK this" are now happier because they eat meat again.

What exactly are you saying, that your studies are more credible than mine because of that little revelation, lol? Honestly, I dont give a shit what you accept or not, if you believe, you do, if not that's your right and honestly you are not worth my time to go into it too much.

You misunderstand. I am saying that every study has the potential to be either spot on or complete bullshit, but studies are very biased. Let's say I want to find out whether there's a connection between nicotine and cancer, and I find that nicotine does in fact not cause cancer. That doesn't mean I can assume that smoking doesn't. Studies are normally very specific, and offer a very limited part of the full picture. So like I said, I don't use studies as arguments because if you go back a few decades there were studies that showed that smoking was healthy. A study is nothing more than the opinion of a person or a group of people, based on a very limited sample experiment which may or may not have been executed properly.

Thankyou for concurring, it is all about the dollars. I don't know why you said that everyone is looking out for each other thing about the vegetarian industry, but right now I'm glad you're not apart of it

I said it because you said that you think the meat industry is just out to make money, and doesn't care about people's health. When you said that, you sorta implied that this was true for the meat industry, but not for the vegetable industry. So I sort of ridiculed your statement by presenting an extreme opposite. I did so in the form of a question: How is the vegetable industry any different to the meat industry if you look away from the fact that the products they sell are physically different? And the answer, I will give for you: They are not. You posted your opinion, and I am telling you why I disagree. And you can argue all you want but everyone knows I'm right. The vegetable industry isn't hippieland where everyone loves everyone. It's farms and factories and transportation and sale and recoup and everything else that the meat industry is. I don't understand why you even said that you think the meat industry is out for money, that's like saying "I think the sky is blue". Oh shit, REALLY? And when you make a post with several arguments for why eating meat is bad, and then throw in things like "I believe the meat industry is out for money", some stupid moron could read it and think "HEY THAT MAEKZ SENS!", because the whole post is against meat-eaters so anyone that agrees with a couple of your points will agree with your whole post. I felt it was my duty to shed light on this fact for the not-so-bright.

Thats a shit analogy, but I kinda expect it from someone such as yourself. At least they can be washed off, can you wash your meat off and get rid of all the hormones and steroids ? Well smart guy ?

No, but you can buy organic meat. Or simply not give a fuck, because I bet you drink a coke from time to time. Some alcohol. I bet once in a while you treat yourself to a Snicker bar. What do you know about E202? What happens when that molecule enters your bloodstream and is picked up by a cell in your brain? You have no idea, yet you do all those things. But you decided that the one unnatural thing they put in meat is a good enough reason to never eat it. It seems hypocritical to me. Then I would respect you a lot more if you just said that it's simply a personal choice because you feel happier with it. That's an honest opinion. You get personal in your response to me and call me shit like "someone as yourself", so I obviously struck a nerve. I wasn't bein offensive so I have no clue where this is coming from. I do know that I got you mad by disagreeing with you.

You think that's funny do you? Well that speaks volumes to me about the type of person you are. A very uncompassionate one, probably have a huge ego, that is about to get hurt and you're also probably very selfish, but lets not get into all that.

I have a history of social phobias, and I'm known for being an exceptionally nice and outgoing person. I generally hit my brother's shoulder when he smacks flies because he smacks them for just being there. Some people kill wasps or bees because they don't wanna get stung, not realizing that the wasp will only sting them if they try to kill it. I let wasps land on my shoulder and when they realize I'm nothing interesting they leave me a lone. I let a spider live in the corner of my room for 2 months before my mother vacuumed it. I'm on suicide watch for a friend constantly on my own initiative (because he's unstable and I'm not sure what he'll do). I am in fact the opposite of all those things you mentioned, but I love the fact that you think you know me simply because I disagree with you. I also love the fact that you get personal, and that instead of logically explaining your points of view, you just give me shit for not blindly accepting anything you say. I raised some very good counter-points and I expected a more mature response, because for the life of me I can't understand why people turn into vegetarians. But I want to, because I like to understand things, so I ask critical questions and put everything on the edge as if I was min-maxing, to sort of understand the outer boundaries of your moral opinion on this matter. So I can understand why you feel like you do. So yeah, you're pretty much as wrong as anyone every could have been with all your assumptions of me.

 

[Chronic]

A tiger will not think about the pain you go through when it chews you up, so why should you consider the pain it goes through when you shoot it and kill it?

I never understood that argument. A tiger can't think about your pain, it's not that it won't. If a mentally retarded person kills someone I'm sure you agree they should be held to a different kind of accountability. Why not animals? Since our consciousness makes us unique you can't say "animals do this, so I can do this". You can but it's unfair.

that you shouldn't take in a particular kind of nutrition.

That's simplifying the issue. You're not simply partaking in a kind of nutrition, you're paying people to breed, raise and kill animals and deliver it to your local stores. You're not crafting your own weapons, you're not hunting the animals yourself. You're not reaping your own spoils. Every living being dies but nowhere in nature do you find animals that are born with a set life expectancy. Nowhere in nature do you find animals that are purposely bred to be used (unless you're religious, living beings don't have a purpose, not even reproducing, that's just something we do). Nowhere in nature do you find animals living the way they do in the meat industry. Pretty much everything about it is unnatural. This is not the way our species naturally gets this nutrition. I'm only against eating meat under unnatural circumstances but saying you can't take that particular nutrient because of the "many hundreds of millions of little routines and rules and etiquettes we humans have developed over millenias" is simply wrong.
And it's not an unnatural thought to not eat under animals under these circumstances. I'm 100% sure it's a natural progression in our moral evolution. Same way with gay rights, transexual rights and so forth, it's inevitable. Not saying it'll catch on but you know..
Within this society you can't get meat in a natural way anymore. If you choose to partake (you were too young to call it choosing but you can stop at any point in your life) you're essentially creating the animals that are set to be slaughtered. Because there are so many people between you and the meat and most people partake it seems like not eating meat is doing something but it's the other way around. When I stopped eating meat I didn't pat myself on the back saying "You did good!", I realized I simply stopped doing something bad.
If you choose to eat meat because you don't like the alternatives, that's your choice, but you're shifting your own burden (brought upon my millenia of human society) to the animals that you eat. I'm not saying that makes you selfish or any of that but you can at least admit that the real reason you eat meat is because you enjoy it and don't want to/can't live with the alternative. I can understand that you hate people trying to guilt you into it but you can't try to push away the validity of the argument. You're not being screwed over by vegetarians, you're being screwed over by the meat industry. It's fucking unfair that you can't get meat in the natural way anymore.

 

[Preach]

I never understood that argument. A tiger can't think about your pain, it's not that it won't. If a mentally retarded person kills someone I'm sure you agree they should be held to a different kind of accountability. Why not animals? Since our consciousness makes us unique you can't say "animals do this, so I can do this". You can but it's unfair.

Well yeah, I have a tendency to post my thought concepts without following up with the part that actually gives it some sense. I posed that argument to paint a distinction between two ideologies that are common. Think about how every religion is awkwardly similar, and then think about how it's impossible that there's like 2000 different gods up there that all have very specific desires, and that we all choose our gods and then live up to their desires. The whole thing seems kinda bogus and leads many people to believe that the concept of religion was a smart ploy to control the masses. I personally actually believe that the conception of religion was someone taking advantage of our fear/lack of information about the unknown (I see the redundancy in that statement lol).

Similarly, I believe the moral discussion related to eating meat/slaughtering animals is as "situational" as religion. The only reason we feel it is wrong is because over centuries we have developed morals that someone once blew out of their ass. It's kinda coincidental that all laws, rules and etiquettes match all the fears and displeasures we experience in our daily lives. I believe people shouldn't kill because I don't want to die. I believe you shouldn't hurt people, because I dislike pain. So in a sense, our perception of morals is a result of our built-in selfishness doing a mash-up with our built-in compassion for living things. When I said what I said about tigers feeling no remorse, I was trying to symbolically and abstractly paint this idea. Not because I think it's right or wrong, but because it's difficult for me to say that something is wrong when I believe the perception of wrong is biased depending on who you ask or what century it is. I can say that I wouldn't kill a tiger. I would hunt animals if I lived in the forest though. I wouldn't have a problem shooting a bird if it was to provide myself with food. If I could live off of pine cones I would probably still shoot a bird because it would probably be tastier. This is, assuming there was no civilization, or that I was stranded in the forest. I said shoot, in this scenario I probably wouldn't have a gun, so let's just asy I would kill an animal if I needed food and no one else was selling readily killed animal. I don't condone mass slaughter and I don't condone inhumane ways of killing animals, but I also cannot control the fact that people do it. And I don't think becoming vegetarians is a solution to the problem. Let me rephrase that. I don't wanna stop eating meat because I like it too much.

Another important thing to remember is that similarly to how a tiger can't help its own nature which is to kill things, we really can't help our nature which is to be selfish. If I stopped all my daily habits that I enjoy and exchanged them with habits that displease me, I would go mentally insane eventually. You and me have had many long good talks and I hope your perception of me as a person hasn't changed even though our contact has diminished over the years, but if you think back on what kind of person I am and consider the fact that these words are coming from that person, you should know that I'm just being realistical. A day has 24 hours, and within those 24 hours there is only so much I can humanly reach to due to the physical limitations of science. Given my physiology, there are certain needs that need to be fulfilled so as to not cause a chemical imbalance in my emotions which you can consider an instinct - no animal will let itself become insane because unless you deny it its right to follow its instincts, it will follow them, which will make it not go insane if you understand what I mean. I fight many fights, but generally I tend to use my compassionate energies on those in my immediate surroundings, which I can only explain as "that's how I am". I guess this depends on the morals and values that were installed in me when I grew up.

That's simplifying the issue. You're not simply partaking in a kind of nutrition, you're paying people to breed, raise and kill animals and deliver it to your local stores. You're not crafting your own weapons, you're not hunting the animals yourself. You're not reaping your own spoils. Every living being dies but nowhere in nature do you find animals that are born with a set life expectancy. Nowhere in nature do you find animals that are purposely bred to be used (unless you're religious, living beings don't have a purpose, not even reproducing, that's just something we do). Nowhere in nature do you find animals living the way they do in the meat industry. Pretty much everything about it is unnatural. This is not the way our species naturally gets this nutrition. I'm only against eating meat under unnatural circumstances but saying you can't take that particular nutrient because of the "many hundreds of millions of little routines and rules and etiquettes we humans have developed over millenias" is simply wrong.
And it's not an unnatural thought to not eat under animals under these circumstances. I'm 100% sure it's a natural progression in our moral evolution. Same way with gay rights, transexual rights and so forth, it's inevitable. Not saying it'll catch on but you know..
Within this society you can't get meat in a natural way anymore. If you choose to partake (you were too young to call it choosing but you can stop at any point in your life) you're essentially creating the animals that are set to be slaughtered. Because there are so many people between you and the meat and most people partake it seems like not eating meat is doing something but it's the other way around. When I stopped eating meat I didn't pat myself on the back saying "You did good!", I realized I simply stopped doing something bad.
If you choose to eat meat because you don't like the alternatives, that's your choice, but you're shifting your own burden (brought upon my millenia of human society) to the animals that you eat. I'm not saying that makes you selfish or any of that but you can at least admit that the real reason you eat meat is because you enjoy it and don't want to/can't live with the alternative. I can understand that you hate people trying to guilt you into it but you can't try to push away the validity of the argument. You're not being screwed over by vegetarians, you're being screwed over by the meat industry. It's fucking unfair that you can't get meat in the natural way anymore.

Very very good post. I don't disagree with anything you said and I can indeed agree that the reason I eat meat is because I am very picky about food I like (regurgitate when I get certain things in my mouth by reflex and have tried but failed to overcome it), and have been raised on dishes that include meat, and furtherer I can admit that enjoying a meal that I thoroughly like that doesn't give any physical displeasures is one of the aforementioned things that helps me not go mentally insane. As sad as it might sound, the most peaceful time of my day/life is when I enjoy a dish of food that I like, and it's something I'm not ready to give up at this point in my life, considering the other things I'm continually giving up in my quest to become a better person. Like I previously mentioned, I grow very fond of the people in my life and focus my attention more on them than bigger issues that would require me to take an active initiative. I'm taking a different kind of active initiative that's just different, and those experiences you speak of where you simply realize you stopped doing a bad/selfish thing, well I have those also, just in different ways.

 

[vg4030]

 

[Preach]

Hardy hardy harr!!!!!!

 

[Jokerman]

I let a spider live in the corner of my room for 2 months

What a coincidence. A spider once let me live in the corner of his web for 2 months.

 

[Preach]

What a coincidence. A spider once let me live in the corner of his web for 2 months.

Liar.

 

[Casey]

When I stopped eating meat I didn't pat myself on the back saying "You did good!", I realized I simply stopped doing something bad.

quoted 4 truth

 

[Jokerman]

Instead of writing a long-ass post, let me see if I can say this in one sentence.

Besides all the unhealthy effects of meat eating, animal agriculture is an inefficient use of land; it erodes the soil, reduces biodiversity, depletes and pollutes the water supply, wastes raw materials, contributes to deforestation, negatively affects the climate, depletes our dwindling energy supply more than the production of plants; and the demand for animal protein is the single most significant factor that condemns millions around the world to a life of hunger and starvation.

Giving up meat is the single most important thing a person can do to save the world.

(ok, two sentences)

(And of course I can back up all those points with a long-ass post or 500 links to web pages, which I will not do and which you won't read or have already read and don't believe or whatever, and this is for anyone, not necessarily Priest.)

 

[Flipmo]

Ok, this is all nice, but look at this instead.

An awesome Golden Retriever upside down picture.

Enjoy.

 

[tupac4li4e]

Don't check my email for one day..............

Does being a vegetarian make you skinny?

Generally speaking, switching from a meat to vegetarian diet, will help you lose weight if you need to, but maintaining muscle mass and bone density etc I have found I can maintain the weight I want with excersie, a balanced diet and a high quality protein shake (Whey protein,90 grams per 100grams of product). Protein is important for our health, vitality, recovery and general rejuvination but simply put you can get it from plenty of other sources other than meat.

Bodybuilders know what works and gives them results, and that's why are no "meat protein shakes" in my opinion ......eeeeewwer :X

Having a shake is about the same as having steak (in terms of protein content), and I imagine it tastes wayyyyy better and has a higher bio-availablity.

Uhh no. Facts don't change and you can't just decide on facts for yourself.

I don't want to argue with you either. All I'm saying is your "facts" aren't facts per se. All you provided was strong evidence supporting your opinion. Until we have at least 100 years of data on something such as this there's no way to conclusively say being a vegetarian is healthier.

hehe, ok mr "per se"

Yes they do, and yes you can.

If you believe something to be fact and it's.... for intance printed in the press only to later find out the info you had been given was wrong. Would you still say that ? There are heaps of studies that present thier findings as facts, then they do another study that rewrites those "facts etc".

I dunno, I could put it better I'm sure but that's basically my point, besides I just woke up and I'm not thinking the most clearly, you'll prolly come back with a fact is a fact and in a perfect world your right, and I wish I could agree. But if you can't see what I'm, saying, tis allll good, I respect your opinion/s

Funny story, I walked past a rescue animal stand today, there was an advert for vegans on the table, which was cool. But to my amusement I saw the lady who owns the stand eating a bacon sandwich. I LOL'd.

I would of definately said something to her, animal rescue, lol.

hahahha, pfffft.

What a coincidence. A spider once let me live in the corner of his web for 2 months.

LOL

Instead of writing a long-ass post, let me see if I can say this in one sentence.

Besides all the unhealthy effects of meat eating, animal agriculture is an inefficient use of land; it erodes the soil, reduces biodiversity, depletes and pollutes the water supply, wastes raw materials, contributes to deforestation, negatively affects the climate, depletes our dwindling energy supply more than the production of plants; and the demand for animal protein is the single most significant factor that condemns millions around the world to a life of hunger and starvation.

Giving up meat is the single most important thing a person can do to save the world.

(ok, two sentences)

(And of course I can back up all those points with a long-ass post or 500 links to web pages, which I will not do and which you won't read or have already read and don't believe or whatever, and this is for anyone, not necessarily Priest.)

Damn you Jokerman, I can't decide which of your two faces I like. But at least one of them, hehehe.

Thanks for sharing.

Ok, this is all nice, but look at this instead.

An awesome Golden Retriever upside down picture.

Enjoy.

Yes, much more pleasant, lol.

Apart from the healthy and unhealthy aspects of this arguement there is also the moral one.

Most animals have thier own will and some would say that means personality, they obviously feel pain, they have intelligence and for us to simply say, "we are at the top of the food chain" is just plain stupid.

It is our high intelligence that sets us apart, I think it's time we all started using it.

P.S To my brother that wrote me a longgggg ass post, thanks and I'll get back to replying when I'm a bit more awake, cheers.

 

[Bobby Sands]

good luck trying to build those muscles on a veggie diet.

 

[tupac4li4e]

good luck trying to build those muscles on a veggie diet.

Good luck living a long and healthy life, on your meat diet.

I don't need luck, if you read what I said and actually took it in you would see that you can get adequate and higher quality protein from powders and other sources.

I can keep adding weight comfortably every two weeks if I train properly, and complete recovery from muscle sorness usually takes about 48hrs if my protein intake is adequate enough. A little longer if it's not.

So, for me, not eating meat and still living healthy and actually being healthy is a given.

I hardly get sick, maybe once a year, when I do it doesn't last long. If I get a cut, scrape or huge gash in my finger like I did a little while back, it all seems to heal up nice and quick.

Most of my boys from memory get sick more than I do, they all eat meat are the same age and most of em have a noticeabley "older" look about them, like wrinkles etc.

So I dunno, could be genetics, could be that meat actually makes people more unhealthy and increases antioxidents or supresses their immunity, thus making them appear older.....all I know for sure is being a vegetarian definately works for me.

As always Bobby, thanks for input chief.

 

[Bobby Sands]

good luckk living a long and healthy life relying on protein powders alone for your protein intake . Fact is thats its going to be more difficult to build muscle if you are on a veggie diet. Soy is a good source but you can only eat so much of that.So are nuts. thats the point im making. Maybe it is possible but more effort bearing in mind that it is recommended that you eat roughy twice your body weight in protein daily while working out. I guess it could be done, but a real challenge imo. do you eat eggs?



I rarely get sick either (touch wood) so whats your point? I ran ten miles yesterday, i go to the gym 3 nights as week as well as train with the sports teams i play for. I dont smoke, do drugs etc. I reckon im pretty healthy.

Im 24 but im always told that i look younger than that.

Besides, you have to have a balanced diet. I try to eat at least 5 helpings vegetables and fruit. Mainly carrots,turnip, oranges, apples and blueberries. I hate Brocolli but ill eat some every now and again because of its benefits.

Going on a veggie diet is something i might consider doing for a while in the future. I couldnt see myself doing it for the rest of my life though.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

 

[Chronic]

You and me have had many long good talks and I hope your perception of me as a person hasn't changed

Not at all.

"because you enjoy it and don't want to/can't live with the alternative"

The can't was specifically added for you and I made sure to say I wasn't trying to call you selfish.

Of course I'd like people to stop eating meat but it's refreshing to have people simply say "yes it's wrong and I still eat it" because most people build up a wall of bullshit. The combination of complete apathy and being incredibly opinionated is just lovely.

The part you wrote on morals... I understand your point of view, I have some conflicting thoughts but I think you'll agree that we (either us 2 or people in general) don't know enough about mortality to draw any conclusions. But it's kind of a moot point. It doesn't depend on the century, it's the 21st. Doesn't depend on the situation, it's this situation.

 

[Prize Gotti]

I would just like to LOL at those saying that eating a Veggie diet will help you loose weight. Please explain to me why every veggie i know is FAT? and why they are FATTER than they were when they ate meat?

 

[tupac4li4e]

I would just like to LOL at those saying that eating a Veggie diet will help you loose weight. Please explain to me why every veggie i know is FAT? and why they are FATTER than they were when they ate meat?

Well I would like to LOL back at you my friend. Perhaps there is more to our diets than just meat and vegies, just maybe huh ?

Perhaps every "veggie" you know eats a shitload of processed junk/fast food and drink softdrinks such as coke that have 10 teaspoons of suger per serve, maybe, I dont know for sure. Maybe the Veggies you know are just bullshit made up people you have in your mind to try and get your point across, I dunno, can't say for sure.

good luckk living a long and healthy life relying on protein powders alone for your protein intake . Fact is thats its going to be more difficult to build muscle if you are on a veggie diet. Soy is a good source but you can only eat so much of that.So are nuts. thats the point im making. Maybe it is possible but more effort bearing in mind that it is recommended that you eat roughy twice your body weight in protein daily while working out. I guess it could be done, but a real challenge imo. do you eat eggs?



I rarely get sick either (touch wood) so whats your point? I ran ten miles yesterday, i go to the gym 3 nights as week as well as train with the sports teams i play for. I dont smoke, do drugs etc. I reckon im pretty healthy.

Im 24 but im always told that i look younger than that.

Besides, you have to have a balanced diet. I try to eat at least 5 helpings vegetables and fruit. Mainly carrots,turnip, oranges, apples and blueberries. I hate Brocolli but ill eat some every now and again because of its benefits.

Going on a veggie diet is something i might consider doing for a while in the future. I couldnt see myself doing it for the rest of my life though.

Well, my point Bobby, was that you DON'T NEED MEAT to live a healthy life. I dunno I thought that was pretty clear...anyway now you know.

And to get twice your body weight (I work it out in kilo's rather than pounds) in protein is very simple and easy to do with protein shakes, each serve gives you about 50 grams of protein if you have it with skim milk....so in reality a 200pound guy/ 92kg (above average weight) would need about 3 serves/3 shakes a day if working out...... piss easy brother.

Check out these sites (anyone) if you are unsure about your adequate daily intake......

Pounds to kilo converter - A calculator to convert pounds to kilo

and

Daily Protein Requirements and Protein Intake



And.....you never know unless you try it, let us know if you do and how you feel etc

Peace out.

P.S Preach, you reply is still comin buddy, just have to take a bit more that 5 min to reply so will do that when I'm not as busy.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Prize Gotti

i dunno about this because i dont personally know any vegetarians. To my knowledege at least.

Perhaps they compensate by eating junk food. Maybe they eat alot of crisps or chips for example. and dont do any exercise

 

[Bobby Sands]

Well I would like to LOL back at you my friend. Perhaps there is more to our diets than just meat and vegies, just maybe huh ?

Perhaps every "veggie" you know eats a shitload of processed junk/fast food and drink softdrinks such as coke that have 10 teaspoons of suger per serve, maybe, I dont know for sure. Maybe the Veggies you know are just bullshit made up people you have in your mind to try and get your point across, I dunno, can't say for sure.



Well, my point Bobby, was that you DON'T NEED MEAT to live a healthy life. I dunno I thought that was pretty clear...anyway now you know.

And to get twice your body weight (I work it out in kilo's rather than pounds) in protein is very simple and easy to do with protein shakes, each serve gives you about 50 grams of protein if you have it with skim milk....so in reality a 200pound guy/ 92kg (above average weight) would need about 3 serves/3 shakes a day if working out...... piss easy brother.

Check out these sites (anyone) if you are unsure about your adequate daily intake......

Pounds to kilo converter - A calculator to convert pounds to kilo

and

Daily Protein Requirements and Protein Intake



And.....you never know unless you try it, let us know if you do and how you feel etc

Peace out.

P.S Preach, you reply is still comin buddy, just have to take a bit more that 5 min to reply so will do that when I'm not as busy.

What kind of kind of protein shakes? Surely not whey protein?

And if you are relying on protein shakes as your only protein intake or nearly all your protein intake, it is not good.

and to build muscle fast you will need a lot more than that. 1.5 to 2 grammes for every pound of your body weight is whats recommended. Getting your protein intake from different protein sources is also recommended.

btw, do you still eat eggs?