Chicken is foul!

[tupac4li4e]

What kind of kind of protein shakes?

And if you are relying on protein shakes as your only protein intake or nearly all your protein intake, it is not good.

btw, do you still eat eggs?

Hey Bobby, I have tried a few different types, but I find Horleys Whey Ice to be the best. I do rely on protein shakes for my main source of protein just like most meat eaters would rely on meat as thier main source, and still maintain the protein in powders is a lot higher in quality and has better bio availability that meat does.

If not, bodybuilders and athletes would just eat a shitload of meat instead of supplementing with shakes, but they don't, not that I have read about anyway. And I know for a "fact" it works for me, I am stronger that most of my meat eater buddies and have not eaten meat my whole life.

I do eat eggs and dairy, I'm not vegan, but I don't overly like the taste of egg, so I don't have like srammbled eggs or anything for breakfast. I will eat it if it's in like fried rice or something that has other flavors as well.

Peace out

 

[tupac4li4e]

What kind of kind of protein shakes? Surely not whey protein?

And if you are relying on protein shakes as your only protein intake or nearly all your protein intake, it is not good.

and to build muscle fast you will need a lot more than that. 1.5 to 2 grammes for every pound of your body weight is whats recommended. Getting your protein intake from different protein sources is also recommended.

btw, do you still eat eggs?

HAHAHA, BERRY BERRY sneaky edit my friend, lol, a bit different from your original post of......

"What kind of kind of protein shakes?

And if you are relying on protein shakes as your only protein intake or nearly all your protein intake, it is not good.

btw, do you still eat eggs?"


Anyhoo, my point is made, and I'm satisfied with my response

Peace out peeps.

 

[Bobby Sands]

ok i see you consume eggs and dairy. well that makes it alot easier. But for someone who doesnt consume meat, dairy or eggs, id imagine its gonna be pretty hard work. You can get vegetarian protein shakes as well but i think they are more expensive.

I eat egg whites lol. I break the side of the egg with a knife to extract the egg white and then throw the yoke and shell away. I eat scrambled egg sometimes but i got sick of it.

I have about 3 or 4 protein shakes a day but i eat alot of other stuff that are high in protein like chicken and nuts.

 

[Bobby Sands]

sorry i do that alot.

i type up a post but i forget to include things and spell stuff wrong so i go back and fix it.

 

[tupac4li4e]

sorry i do that alot.

i type up a post but i forget to include things and spell stuff wrong so i go back and fix it.

Hehehe, all good brother i do it too, I'm sure we all do, lucky you wern't trying to shut a brother down with the edited post, lol.

Anyway, I'm sure you can still live relatively healthy life if you eat meat, probably wouldn't want to eat too much of it, but for me it really is more about my compassionate side I have for other living beings rather than the health issue, the health issue is still valid in my eyes, and just makes it easier to debate about.

 

[Casey]

I weigh a bit more than I want to, but I actually weigh less than when I ate meat.

When I became vegetarian I lost a ton of weight, but when I stopped smoking I put on loads of weight, which I've now been trying to lose for the past 6 months and am slowly making progress.

Also, I'm not sure I mentioned this in any previous vegetarian topic, but when I ate meat I would get sick (colds, flu, infection) maybe 3 or 4 times a year. Since I became vegetarian/semi-vegan a few years ago, it's dropped to 1 or 2 times a year.

I'm on a progressive path to a full vegan diet. I'll get there eventually. I never really drank milk or ate eggs anyway.

And I agree with tupac4li4e, protein shakes are the bomb. I have 5 boxes of them that my mother-in-law shipped over from the States, they are a better kind than what I typically see in shops here.

 

[Bobby Sands]

^^have you heard of myprotein.co.uk? they have a huge range of protein shakes. Very cheap as well

i recall you saying in another thread that you weighed 11 stone and are 6 ft 2 tall? You dont want to get much lighter than that imo.

 

[Prize Gotti]

Well I would like to LOL back at you my friend. Perhaps there is more to our diets than just meat and vegies, just maybe huh ?

Perhaps every "veggie" you know eats a shitload of processed junk/fast food and drink softdrinks such as coke that have 10 teaspoons of suger per serve, maybe, I dont know for sure. Maybe the Veggies you know are just bullshit made up people you have in your mind to try and get your point across, I dunno, can't say for sure.

No the veggies I know are very real, i know alot of veggies, and not one of them is in shape. Which brings me to the point, and a point you have helped me clear, is that the argument that "Vegetarians are healthier" is in fact not true? Because as you point out, just because they dont each meat, they can still eat junk and not excercise, which makes no difference to their health as they did when they when they were meat eaters.

On that note, it would be safe to say, that even if you eat meat as part of a balanced diet, avoid junk food and do excercise, you can infact be healthier or as healthy as a vegetarian?

 

[Bobby Sands]

^^and not to mention that some of them are smokers

 

[Flipmo]

All in moderation I say. I eat meat, but I don't eat it 7 times a week. I'll have meat once a week, fish another day a week, pastas another, etc etc.

All in moderation I say. I know a vegetarian and he's a cousin, and let me tell you ... he looks like fucking crap and is always sick.

Gotti kinda said it best, just because you're a vegetarian it doesn't make you 100% fit, especially if you're out there drinking, smoking, getting no physical activity in, etc.

Anyways, to each their own.

Edit: Also, that picture of the dog was to make people smile you assholes, not to write existentialist, Leo Tolstoy lenght posts. It's an awesome sauce dog. That is all lol

 

[tupac4li4e]

No the veggies I know are very real, i know alot of veggies, and not one of them is in shape. Which brings me to the point, and a point you have helped me clear, is that the argument that "Vegetarians are healthier" is in fact not true? Because as you point out, just because they dont each meat, they can still eat junk and not excercise, which makes no difference to their health as they did when they when they were meat eaters.

On that note, it would be safe to say, that even if you eat meat as part of a balanced diet, avoid junk food and do excercise, you can infact be healthier or as healthy as a vegetarian?

Ok, fair enough. And yeah it is safe to say that, but I suppose my main point is that most people believe you NEED meat as a part of that balanced diet, and I'm saying that you don't.

A lot of the time it comes back to protein, and you can get it elsewhere just fine, there is plenty enough of us to prove that we get along just fine without being cannibals. Sorry, I mean meat eaters

But then there is the meat and hormone thing, that I would be very weary of if I ate meat, also I have had a friend work in a chicken processing factory, and the stories he shared with me are that bad, that I'm not even going to repeat them, but one I will repeat from a friend of a friend (heard him say it) is that sometimes there is cancerous and diseased meat in animals that is not removed properly prior to packaging and also that meat with maggets in it just get scraped off and packaged just like the rest of the "good meat".

Probably not all places are like that, but maybe there is a lot of things going on like that...that we do not hear about. Just some food for thought......

lol and *spews* (for lack of finding the spewing smiley) my damn "more" button is faulty, Streethop I want a refund !

 

[masta247]

I think the vegetarian diet often comes as a result of living a healthy lifestyle. You workout a lot, eat fresh/healthy food and at some point you want to do it even healthier and become a vegetarian - I always thought that this is where all these healthy Vegetarians came from.
However the only vegetarian I know trains with me and he's physically weak and whenever he delivers a punch people would laugh and say "you're weak but that's because you don't eat meat so it's normal". I guess that's some sort of a stereotype but on the other hand it fits to the only vegetarian guy I personally know.
Also he's not 100% mentally normal.

I also don't eat much meat and if I do it's usually chicken from my Grandpa's farm or KFC. I like cows too much to eat them (especially since they are not that tasty) and if I do it's because I eat at mcdonalds and I don't believe that there's much of a cow in their cheeseburgers
I prefer dairy products (which Casey hates too). My diet consists mostly of cheese.
I also often eat french fries, spaghetti, pizza and other not so healthy things. I dislike vegetables except potatoes and tomatoes but still somehow I often eat salads.
I used to eat fast foods for years and fortunately I'm healthy. I work out quite a lot and it's okay, my cholesterol levels are low, I'm not fat etc.

The fact that Jokerman brought (about vegetarians being more eco-friendly) and some things Casey posted in threads before made me think before ordering meat when I have an alternative choice though.

Who the hell started this discussion again?

 

[tupac4li4e]

I'm not sure if I understand the argument that they were scattered. So were the animals. And I disagree with the last part of your post. That we were animals with "probaby not a great deal of intelligent thought". I'm not talking about neanderthals. They can be considered a different species. I'm talking about the first generation of homo sapien sapien, or if you think symbolically you understand what I mean. Individuals with the same/very very similar physiology. I'm not saying that because we ate it then, we should eat it now. I'm saying that no human should ever have to wake up at a given point in time on a daily basis and do a job. We're supposed to wake up by ourselves when the sun comes up. But due to the many hundreds of millions of little routines and rules and etiquettes we humans have developed over millenias, the consequence is that you have a totally irrational thought that is unnatural for your species - that you shouldn't take in a particular kind of nutrition. A tiger will not think about the pain you go through when it chews you up, so why should you consider the pain it goes through when you shoot it and kill it? And I'm not saying I would gladly kill all animals, this last paragraph doesn't necessarily even reflect what I personally think. What I think is irrelevant, I'm trying to pain you an abstract picture of a thought concept that I want you to entertain for a while for your own sake.

Lol. Nice burn. I respectfully disagree, however. As for the point you present, don't you see how it is biased? A lot of people that turned into vegetarians were happier after they did. Okay. If I study to become a lawyer I will probably be very happy when I'm done, but that's not a solid reason for me to actually start law school, unless it's what I actually want. So if I want something and get it, I'm happy too. It's sort of pointless to mention that all meat eaters that stopped eating meat feel happier, because I'm sure all vegetarians that thought "FUCK this" are now happier because they eat meat again.

You misunderstand. I am saying that every study has the potential to be either spot on or complete bullshit, but studies are very biased. Let's say I want to find out whether there's a connection between nicotine and cancer, and I find that nicotine does in fact not cause cancer. That doesn't mean I can assume that smoking doesn't. Studies are normally very specific, and offer a very limited part of the full picture. So like I said, I don't use studies as arguments because if you go back a few decades there were studies that showed that smoking was healthy. A study is nothing more than the opinion of a person or a group of people, based on a very limited sample experiment which may or may not have been executed properly.

I said it because you said that you think the meat industry is just out to make money, and doesn't care about people's health. When you said that, you sorta implied that this was true for the meat industry, but not for the vegetable industry. So I sort of ridiculed your statement by presenting an extreme opposite. I did so in the form of a question: How is the vegetable industry any different to the meat industry if you look away from the fact that the products they sell are physically different? And the answer, I will give for you: They are not. You posted your opinion, and I am telling you why I disagree. And you can argue all you want but everyone knows I'm right. The vegetable industry isn't hippieland where everyone loves everyone. It's farms and factories and transportation and sale and recoup and everything else that the meat industry is. I don't understand why you even said that you think the meat industry is out for money, that's like saying "I think the sky is blue". Oh shit, REALLY? And when you make a post with several arguments for why eating meat is bad, and then throw in things like "I believe the meat industry is out for money", some stupid moron could read it and think "HEY THAT MAEKZ SENS!", because the whole post is against meat-eaters so anyone that agrees with a couple of your points will agree with your whole post. I felt it was my duty to shed light on this fact for the not-so-bright.

No, but you can buy organic meat. Or simply not give a fuck, because I bet you drink a coke from time to time. Some alcohol. I bet once in a while you treat yourself to a Snicker bar. What do you know about E202? What happens when that molecule enters your bloodstream and is picked up by a cell in your brain? You have no idea, yet you do all those things. But you decided that the one unnatural thing they put in meat is a good enough reason to never eat it. It seems hypocritical to me. Then I would respect you a lot more if you just said that it's simply a personal choice because you feel happier with it. That's an honest opinion. You get personal in your response to me and call me shit like "someone as yourself", so I obviously struck a nerve. I wasn't bein offensive so I have no clue where this is coming from. I do know that I got you mad by disagreeing with you.


I have a history of social phobias, and I'm known for being an exceptionally nice and outgoing person. I generally hit my brother's shoulder when he smacks flies because he smacks them for just being there. Some people kill wasps or bees because they don't wanna get stung, not realizing that the wasp will only sting them if they try to kill it. I let wasps land on my shoulder and when they realize I'm nothing interesting they leave me a lone. I let a spider live in the corner of my room for 2 months before my mother vacuumed it. I'm on suicide watch for a friend constantly on my own initiative (because he's unstable and I'm not sure what he'll do). I am in fact the opposite of all those things you mentioned, but I love the fact that you think you know me simply because I disagree with you. I also love the fact that you get personal, and that instead of logically explaining your points of view, you just give me shit for not blindly accepting anything you say. I raised some very good counter-points and I expected a more mature response, because for the life of me I can't understand why people turn into vegetarians. But I want to, because I like to understand things, so I ask critical questions and put everything on the edge as if I was min-maxing, to sort of understand the outer boundaries of your moral opinion on this matter. So I can understand why you feel like you do. So yeah, you're pretty much as wrong as anyone every could have been with all your assumptions of me.

Well basically I was saying that I assume the vegetables back then probably would have been a lot more scarce than today because today there are so many professional farmers (not sure I've heard them ever be called proffesional, haha but I guess they are) that are mass producing the Vegetables we have available to us....as in that's why they would be scattered through out the land back in the day, from growing wildly, here and there.

Quoting what you said about....
" I'm saying that no human should ever have to wake up at a given point in time on a daily basis and do a job"

All I can say is I like where your head is at, lol.

When you say.....

"A tiger will not think about the pain you go through when it chews you up, so why should you consider the pain it goes through when you shoot it and kill it?"

I will say, because in my opinion we have the capacity to feel compassion for other living beings, it is of course up to the individual to feel that compassion and do something about it, or we can just switch off to it, very much a personal choice, but mine would be to not kill the tiger, unless it was in self defense, he has just as much right to be walking around as I do, so I would not pretend to be anymore superior to him (my tiger is a male) in the way of me being able to determine whether he should live or die, just because I can make it so. Shit, did that even make sense, bah.

Moving on......

" If I study to become a lawyer I will probably be very happy when I'm done, but that's not a solid reason for me to actually start law school, unless it's what I actually want. So if I want something and get it, I'm happy too. It's sort of pointless to mention that all meat eaters that stopped eating meat feel happier, because I'm sure all vegetarians that thought "FUCK this" are now happier because they eat meat again."

I see your point, but I was actually saying a lot say they feel better, as in healthier after they stop eating meat.


"Studies are normally very specific, and offer a very limited part of the full picture. So like I said, I don't use studies as arguments because if you go back a few decades there were studies that showed that smoking was healthy. A study is nothing more than the opinion of a person or a group of people, based on a very limited sample experiment which may or may not have been executed properly."

Are you throwing that in there, so I can't disagree with you, making it seem like "you're right and I'm wrong" ? haha, probably not, but yeah I agree.
"I said it because you said that you think the meat industry is just out to make money, and doesn't care about people's health. When you said that, you sorta implied that this was true for the meat industry, but not for the vegetable industry. So I sort of ridiculed your statement by presenting an extreme opposite."

I'm not saying that the Veggie industry and farmers are not out to make money, that's what unfortunately makes this world go around, but what I was meaning is that eating meat is NOT neccessary for our health, and hence the meat industry is not essential for human survival and thus my opinion for breeding animals to slaughter still stands. It's just about making money.

On the flipside that is not to say one should think...... "we'll both industries are out to make money, so I'll just keep eating meat" because that would be missing my point completely.

"because the whole post is against meat-eaters so anyone that agrees with a couple of your points will agree with your whole post. I felt it was my duty to shed light on this fact for the not-so-bright."

LOL, you think so? Most people in my experiance love to disagree with me in this forum, but thanks for fulfilling your duty, it's a hard job, but someones gotta do it. Both sides should definately be made clear when having discussions such as these so I would take my hat off to ya, if I had one.

"No, but you can buy organic meat. Or simply not give a fuck, because I bet you drink a coke from time to time. Some alcohol. I bet once in a while you treat yourself to a Snicker bar. What do you know about E202? What happens when that molecule enters your bloodstream and is picked up by a cell in your brain? You have no idea, yet you do all those things. But you decided that the one unnatural thing they put in meat is a good enough reason to never eat it. It seems hypocritical to me. Then I would respect you a lot more if you just said that it's simply a personal choice because you feel happier with it. That's an honest opinion."

Well, smartguy I have no fucking clue what E202 is or does, but I'ma gonna look it up now, just cos you said that.

I have not drank Coke for about 10 years, but do drink Pepsi so basically the same I assume, full of shit like most proccessed shit we get at our supermarkets, snickers, yeah from time to time, not that often, alcohol, yes I stick to Wine, and occasionally burbon. I know it's not healthy for me, but I still do it, guilty as charged.

And, actually if you read what I wrote.... you will see that I have not eaten meat my whole life, so it's not like I had the choice of knowing what was in it, to make my decision about whether to eat it or not. My parents were vegetarian at the time (both now cannibals again) and when I was old enough to decide for myself if I wanted to eat meat or not, I tried it and hated it mostly, it made me dry reach. When I was about 5 or 6, I used to like the KFC chicken, mainly for the crispy skin (fuck I'm about to barf) haha, but it did not last long as a little man I began questioning the world around me, and started to feel strong compassion for all living things naturally. For instance, and I still do it to this day sometimes, if I ever saw a fly or insect in a spiders web, I would always try to free it, knowing that if I didn't it would fall prey to the nasty ass spider, lol and to this day, I do not like spiders, I am scared of the big poisonous types and do kill them out of fear sometimes, yes, I know I'm not perfect, but fear is a very controlling emotion, and one that is very very difficult to control (in my opinion, governments and religions have controlled people through fear for thousands of years, it is linked to our survival instinct, the strongest of all). Having said that, my garage has daddy long legs spiders breeding in it, and I let them be, hahah, contradictory, yes I am at times, look up the word duality or yin & yang if you do not know what is means, we all have traits of it, and to really see clearly about any point I think one must be able to see or experiance both sides of whatever that point is Was that me trying to compensate for my fear and past killings of spiders? lol well not intentially but the subconcious mind is very complex.

"You get personal in your response to me and call me shit like "someone as yourself", so I obviously struck a nerve. I wasn't bein offensive so I have no clue where this is coming from. I do know that I got you mad by disagreeing with you."

"Someone as yourself", I guess I would say I meant someone as one sided as yourself. But now your tone has changed somewhat, so *shrugs* but looking at your reply I assume I struck a nerve as well.

It's not that you got me mad, it takes a lot to get me really mad (my mrs can do it easily), you got me a bit frustrated by the way you wrote to me, thats all, also the content of what you wrote was just very unentertaining and seemed to be a little on the attacking side.

And lastly.......

"I'm known for being an exceptionally nice and outgoing person. I generally hit my brother's shoulder when he smacks flies because he smacks them for just being there. Some people kill wasps or bees because they don't wanna get stung, not realizing that the wasp will only sting them if they try to kill it. I let wasps land on my shoulder and when they realize I'm nothing interesting they leave me a lone. I let a spider live in the corner of my room for 2 months before my mother vacuumed it. I'm on suicide watch for a friend constantly on my own initiative (because he's unstable and I'm not sure what he'll do). I am in fact the opposite of all those things you mentioned, but I love the fact that you think you know me simply because I disagree with you. I also love the fact that you get personal, and that instead of logically explaining your points of view, you just give me shit for not blindly accepting anything you say. I raised some very good counter-points and I expected a more mature response, because for the life of me I can't understand why people turn into vegetarians. But I want to, because I like to understand things, so I ask critical questions and put everything on the edge as if I was min-maxing, to sort of understand the outer boundaries of your moral opinion on this matter. So I can understand why you feel like you do. So yeah, you're pretty much as wrong as anyone every could have been with all your assumptions of me."

Well, quite a lot of interesting information there, about your life, firstly, thankyou for sharing, and don't get cut at anything I say from now on, because that is not my intention. But tending to some of the things you said....

Ok, so you have compassion for flies, wasps and spiders, that is clear.

It is also clear that your a mummas boy, that still has his room vacuumed by his mum, lol & *jokes*.

So you love the "fact" that I think I know you, simply because you disagree with me? Well this why I hate the word Fact, that is not a fact Preach, and not a truth either its a BS assumption of yours. However, I made those assumptions based on what you wrote....... that stuff about the deer or whatever when you were basically saying that animals are worthless and because you can you don't mind killing them, like you are a god or something, thats why, not because you disagree.

I can appreciate that you want to understand things and have an enquiring mind, but my enquiring mind right now is asking me to ask you this.....

If you can feel compassion for insects, and not kill them, why do you not feel compassion for larger animals, that you pay to have slaughtered? I do not use the word slaughtered lightly either.

And if you think I'm wrong in my assumptions, can you explain why you seem to say one thing, then another in two different posts, if you were solid in what you say, I could more accurately make an assumption about you, I dont like making assumptions but it's kinda natural for us as "conditioned" humans, I think anyway. (conditioned to the system)

In your first post I thought you were an ass, up to about the 2/3 mark of your last reply to me, I thought you seemed to be an ok guy, and the last 1/3 has just made me confused. Maybe I did it to myself, because of my wrong assumptions, but either way cheers for writing that long ass post, sorry I didn't reply sooner.

No hard feelings brother, no matter what you reply with and I take back anything that may have got to you. Peace out.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

 

[Jokerman]

lol- that was freaky. I thought of The Ring for some reason.

 

[Stred]

I'm eating a chicken and mayonayse sandwich right now.

on a side note, why did you put on weight when you stopped smoking casey?

 

[Prize Gotti]

I will say, because in my opinion we have the capacity to feel compassion for other living beings, it is of course up to the individual to feel that compassion and do something about it, or we can just switch off to it, very much a personal choice, but mine would be to not kill the tiger, unless it was in self defense, he has just as much right to be walking around as I do, so I would not pretend to be anymore superior to him (my tiger is a male) in the way of me being able to determine whether he should live or die, just because I can make it so. Shit, did that even make sense, bah.

K this is another issue, but again you kinda prove my point. I keep hearing that we are capable of compassion, so we should make the choice not to kill and eat the tiger. Are you saying that animals do not feel emotions? I strongly disagree with this, i have no doubt animals feel emotions, and there is no evidence to say there isn't, so this arguement is again flawed as the tiger has these feelings too. After all, you say animals have a right to live etc etc, but if they don't feel emotion, what is their purpose to be other than part of the food chain?

 

[THEV1LL4N]

I remember this thread. Anyways.. as much as I used to love chicken. I've joined the "dark side" and only eat plant based foods now.

you only wrote that because you were guaranteed to receive "thank you" off casey.

 

[Casey]

you only wrote that because you were guaranteed to receive "thank you" off casey.

Me and Syn are vegetarian/semi-vegan twitter buddies

Stred, I started to eat more without even realising, and also, there is a chemical in cigarettes that prevents you from gaining weight. I read a really interesting article in a science magazine about it the other day, they have more or less proven the existence of this chemical.

I'm working out more and eating a lot less now though, and I'll slowly make it down to 10 stone which is where I wanna be at.

 

[Prize Gotti]

Me and Syn are vegetarian/semi-vegan twitter buddies

Stred, I started to eat more without even realising, and also, there is a chemical in cigarettes that prevents you from gaining weight. I read a really interesting article in a science magazine about it the other day, they have more or less proven the existence of this chemical.

I'm working out more and eating a lot less now though, and I'll slowly make it down to 10 stone which is where I wanna be at.

i know what you are talking about, but i thought it was a hunger suppressant instead of a weight suppressant?