Anyone else sick of "money" and "hustlin" songs?

[EriMakaveli]

Why dont you define hiphop for us? since you were there when it started, what is hip hop exactly? 2pac? lol

With that being said let's look at a lyric analysis of the two songs, once representing a time before I was listening to rap (I am not going to deny that), where there was more to a song than it's title

I don't know what hip hop is,....rhyming to a melody on a beat, i guess...your right they are not country, but....im just sick and tired of it...if Dem Franchize Boyz use the same beat again to talk about, i dunno, "Red Tees with a Green Dezign On Dayt", like they did with White one's in 2004, I'm going to bite my own ears off, thats it.

 

[PuffnScruff]

my bad, I was under the impression that hip hop, like the kind 2pac rapped, was about...just a bit more than grills, and hustleing.

Forgive me. I think I picked the wrong genre of music to enjoy if thats all about, and I'm pretty sure this use of hip hop by less than good rappers made 2pac clearly define his music as SOUL music. Hip Hop isn't dead, according to your definition. According to your definition, Hip Hop is superficial junk that no one with an IQ above 40 can enjoy; I know I sure can't enjoy Laffy Taffy and Bobble Head by D4L, I'd rather eat my own shit, then shit it out, then eat it again.


Mercedes vs. Honda, true, but people in this thread thought it was dumb when I was denouncing todays "hustlin" rap and praising Gettin' Money. Thats why I compared them to show how much the quality had detracted over the years and how it has been re-used a million times.

forgive me, the midwest, although I can't see a difference from them and the south..

and what are you talking about? of course I wrote that. and yes, I was trying to make rick ross look stupid, but trust me, it doesnt look any better with proper spelling. its just as stupid...

You know what, who cares, enjoy it, do the shoulder lean, lean with it, and rock with it, hustle. Do whatever you fucking like. Just don't complain when you are type-cast in 10-years as a fad.

If you look at this in comparison of previous genres, like glam-rock, its not that different. I believe this is all a fad, and one day fans (my age) will just mature or snap out of it. And they will look back when they have children, and be like, "When I was your age I was begging people to let me sell drugs, and I wore that jewelry in my mouth (It made my breath stink), and I made everyone call me by my streetname, "Beanz"...Sigh, I was so stupid." Just as some 30+year olds reminisce on wearing lipstick and mascara in the 80's.

well the post said "This is my first post in this forum " so why wouldnt i think that wasnt made by you

who is to say d4l and other acts out of the south arent hip hop? because of what they rap about? because some people rap about selling drugs, grills, and money? it is just as much hip hop as 2pac is. i'm not talking about the lyrical content but you really need a better understand of what hip hop is. what you rap about doesnt make you hip hop. d4l and dem franchise boys and the guys making hyphy music, if you like the music or not, are having fun making music that other people can have fun too. back in the day, the early days of hip hop, it was about having fun. going to a party to escape your everyday normal life and all the b.s. that came with and just letting loose, enjoying yourself, and having a good time.

in some ways it is sad that the grills and other shit has become associated with hip hop and nas is right in many ways when he says hip hop is dead but some of these groups like i mention are keeping things about hip hop alive. some of it is a fad, but rappers of been talking about their money for over a decade now so some things are not a fad.

i didnt say i like the lean with it rock with it and snap your fingers dirty south music. i have listened , liked, and can even enjoy some of it, shocking i do like certain artists from the south. its fun for what it is, party music, but you cant expect too much knowledge to be kicked in party music. it was made for one purpose in mind, party music, which equals money in the pockets in the artists and labels. that party music gets the artists gigs which dun dun dunnn, puts money in their pockets.

and not all artists from the south are about the party music and in it to make money music. little brother, outkast, cunninglyguists just to name a few are not.

you can call tupacs music soul music if you want too, but you really should take a music history class to know what soul music was, is ,and to have a better understanding of it.

 

[Kadafi Son]

This is ridiculous. I thought that in a 2pac forum I did not have to explain how the song "I'm Gettin Money" GREATLY, GREATLY, differs from the shit that's being put out today; for example, "Hustlin'" by Rick Ross.

Anyone with half a brain can see the difference, and I know that you all are not stupid, but you think I am and I didn't think this through.

With that being said let's look at a lyric analysis of the two songs, once representing a time before I was listening to rap (I am not going to deny that), where there was more to a song than it's title:

"Damn'd If I Don't, and DAMN'D if a nigga do" - the paradox that redeems this song and steers the idiotic away from wanted to embody the life of a drug dealer, and believing that the song is describing their feelings and emotions.

VS.

"Who da fok you tink you foking with im da foking bawz, sevin fowty five wite on wite, thats fuckin Ross
i cut em wide, i cut em long, i cut em fat..."
Seems idiotic to anyone with half a brain, but the youth eats it up.

I'm gettin' money was made in..like...94'. This is 2006! EVOLVE ALREADY!. not only have these songs degraded over time in message, depth, and quality; but they've also become annoyingly repeated over and over; the same thing. It's played out by now. And I would shut up, but its depressing that even now rappers are creating more songs like, "Do Your Chain Hang Low", that is just......retarded.

And I generalized the south because thats where most of the music is comming from I see: South = Hustlin & Grillz, East = Murder & Gunz, West = I don't know whats going on in there nowadays, and underground rap, which is, sadly now, tryna copy the south.

Of course there will always be exceptions to this, but the POPULAR artists are all about money and materials, save Outkast, who's new CD isnt doing well in sales, and their new movie reeked.

This is my first post in this forum and I made it because, as I saw it, I was the only one who was utterly disgusted and infuriated by this growing trend. And for those who are not tired of it, so be it. But when some honor role kid named Steven, whose parents arent divorced or poor, and gets everything he wants from them, tries to stick up a store and, in his defense, tells me, "Gotta get paid, my nigga", thats where I draw the line.

You guys assume that just because I say something I do not know what I'm talking about. I might not know the full story, but from what I know, I understand. If I say something, I believe it. And I can do analyse and compare other songs from the past and the present all day long, but some people, stubborn people (PuffnScruff, etc.), will never see and will dismiss me because of my age. I am talking about other people my age, so I know firsthand, the effects of this music.

I got ya back, man. Not dickridin' I know what you mean. Comparin' Pac to todays south artist, who don't even deserve that title, is str8 out illogic. I listened to Rick Ross album str8 thru and it basically has the same concept in every song. People don't understand that with Pac, you can get many topics into one song, like Johnny J said, and still make ya head bob. These kids 2day seem to like the simpler shit. They to listen to it and see if what they're listenin' to is them

P.S. Fuck everybody don't agree with this

 

[kingdizzy]

. These kids 2day seem to like the simpler shit. They to listen to it and see if what they're listenin' to is them

the simpler shit is what sells. its catchier

 

[PuffnScruff]

You guys assume that just because I say something I do not know what I'm talking about. I might not know the full story, but from what I know, I understand. If I say something, I believe it. And I can do analyse and compare other songs from the past and the present all day long, but some people, stubborn people (PuffnScruff, etc.), will never see and will dismiss me because of my age. I am talking about other people my age, so I know firsthand, the effects of this music.

you get dismissed for you age because you prove in your posts your age. there are other people your age that show they are years above their age. the fact is most of us, including my self have been listening to rap music for over a decade, hell ive listening to rap music since i was about 7 years old. where you even alive when i was 7? you dont think people older than you have seen and can see today what gangster music has done to young people. my high shcool had a shit load of wiggers. i went to high school during the height of no limit records when they put out a new album every other week and cash money was blowing up. ive seen what it can do to impresionable minds. ive been to two colleges including the one i am currently attending, where i have seen and still see wiggers all day. shit it takes every thing with in my to stop myself from wanting to slap this guy who is whiter than i am. everyday because he freely uses the word "nigga".

but there are plenty of people who live above the influence that do listen to gansta music and other rap music that is branded as having a bad message, so what does that tell you? it says that some people arent so easy to influence while others think they need to act and be a certain way to be "hip hop" or "todays hip hop". so if you are one of those people then congratz to you but dont think for one second that anyone older than you cant and does not see what the music can do to the impresionable mind

and yes generally young people dont know what they are talking about, get used to it, that is life

 

[kingdizzy]

^^^^^^^

CO-SIGN!! :thumb:

 

[ill-matic]

they are running radio air play, BET play, even sales. maybe not no #1's, but there are more southern rappers on the charts than anyone else. even RnB white bitches are gankin the dirty south sound into their shit. danity kane? show stopper? ciara? even ROCK music is incorporating that southern sound. its even on commercials!

well thats precisely the idea behind the thread. you said it yourself, theyre only running the commercialised ear of hip hop fans. and what are they running the air waves with? talk of grillz, money, hustlin etc.... beyond that the south does of course have much more substance, but theyre only ruling the charts with their shit mainly with those types of songs. like i said, its uncreative, repetitive, and the concept is now old. no one brings anything new to the table with these concepts. always same old same old. and it always seems to be the south making these songs because "theyre running shit"

 

[kingdizzy]

well thats precisely the idea behind the thread. you said it yourself, theyre only running the commercialised ear of hip hop fans. and what are they running the air waves with? talk of grillz, money, hustlin etc.... beyond that the south does of course have much more substance, but theyre only ruling the charts with their shit mainly with those types of songs. like i said, its uncreative, repetitive, and the concept is now old. no one brings anything new to the table with these concepts. always same old same old. and it always seems to be the south making these songs because "theyre running shit"

thats because that is their JOB. THEY ARE PAID TO RAP ABOUT BULLSHIT. THATS WHY I KEEP SAYING LISTEN TO THE SHIT THATS NOT ON THE RADIO. im tired of people shitting on the south when they should be shitting on radio and tv. ALL IM SAYING ITS NOT FAIR TO DISS A WHOLE REGION BECAUSE OF WHATS GETTING AIRPLAY COMMERCIALLY.
East coast sucks man, all they talk about is money and cars and robbing (50 cent, lloyd banks, mobb deep, etc). same concept.

how come everyone is so quick to jump on the 'the south sucks' bandwagon yet they cant even recognize the other regions doing the exact same SHIT. (xzibit, snoop, 50, mobb, etc). yall just mad cuz the south makes ppl move and you cant! :laugh:

 

[realBOSTON]

People need to stop the analytical bullshit. I'm 19 and from South Boston...19 is not too young to have perspective; i grew up with pac and biggie and realize the past shapes the opinions of present and future. A song could have all the mening in the world and still be a boring-ass song to listen too; it called poetry. Yeah, a lot of the stuff out today is weak and watered down, but whatever. No one is making me listen to the garbage music out right now so i don't care. You listen to what iS FUN TO LISTEN TOO. Thats a;; that matters. Yeah, i want to hear something that really cuts to the core just as much as the next mothafucker. But who cares if a particular joint doesn't; if it's fun to listen too than why the hell wouldn't you bump that track untill you got sick of it? Pac blended both of these elements which is what made him the greatest. The analytical bullshit needs to end; doesn't matter where someone's from or what they're saying isn't quite as meaningful as the next's. Take it as what it is. If it's wack, than it goes on the shelf.

 

[BIG NASTY]

thats because that is their JOB. THEY ARE PAID TO RAP ABOUT BULLSHIT. THATS WHY I KEEP SAYING LISTEN TO THE SHIT THATS NOT ON THE RADIO. im tired of people shitting on the south when they should be shitting on radio and tv. ALL IM SAYING ITS NOT FAIR TO DISS A WHOLE REGION BECAUSE OF WHATS GETTING AIRPLAY COMMERCIALLY.
East coast sucks man, all they talk about is money and cars and robbing (50 cent, lloyd banks, mobb deep, etc). same concept.

how come everyone is so quick to jump on the 'the south sucks' bandwagon yet they cant even recognize the other regions doing the exact same SHIT. (xzibit, snoop, 50, mobb, etc). yall just mad cuz the south makes ppl move and you cant! :laugh:

exactly.

 

[S. Fourteen]

I am not sick of anything I listen to. That is why I listen to them. A rapper can rap about anything and if he comes correct, there will be a certain amount of value in it. I don't care if he's a gangster rapper from South Dakota, if his music is able to bring out emotion and imagination, I'm there.

 

[CrazyLaw]

Althrough I only read 3 pages...... From what I can remember from reading y'all post is that music in the 90's was about the samething that is now and some mention about songs are only party tracks so it's acceptable to talk about money,bling and all but Did you people 4get about the 80's ? The tracks were about rhyming and having fun...Of course they had chains and everything else that rapper these days talk about but the truth is......... music from the 80s was all about fun. you didn't hear many songs talking about their chains,girls,money,hustling.. Songs from the 80's was all about storytelling, battling, just having fun without even talkin about how much money they have, or what they have or how many bitches are on them,etc.. thats real hiphop right there... Also in the 80's rapper really talked about REAL things that happened in their life,what they seen and the struggle.. and that also went into the 90's........ in the 90's .... It got a bit more serious... got rappers rapping about gettin money to get out of the struggle, just rapping about real life shit that people could relate to, it was all about rappin about the truth of the society and of course they were music that will get you hype just like what they 80s have bought to the table...(crazy rhymes,etc,etc) it was just more lyricial... but to make this short cause I could go on and on and on how the 80's and 90's music was about....back then music really really had some meaning to it, some feel to it, but these days is different, not saying just the south but from what we know and hear on the radio and see in the music video's just dont have that feeling anymore...... I dont really listen to whats out these days so I might be wrong but from what I know .... We have rappers just rappin about bullshit,... It's all about GIRLS,MONEY and WHAT THEY HAVE .... shit people cant really relate to ..... of course there some artist that keep it real like the 80's and 90's but they aren't known out there (radio play,music video's,etc)... Music these days isnt as great as before.... RAP/HIPHOP IS ALL ABOUT BULLSHIT NOW ....... It's not real anymore....

P.S. i'm a Pac fan like most of y'all but compare Pac's music to a 50 cent track or rappers who rap about the same things..... and if you really know about Hip-Hop/Rap ..... you could tell the differnece ... Back then you were doing it for the love of the game, doing what you do best, just speaking their minds just to get their word out and having fun.... now it's all about fame, gettin more money than the next person, gettin girls, and about what they have (chains,house,cars,etc)... at one point it was cool but now it's played out..... who really want to hear about something you can't relate to?

 

[ImmortalTech]

Hip Hop is not Bullshit now... Hip POP is Bullshit now. People pretend the only hip hop out there is the shit they play on the radio. U guys sick and tired of that crunk money, hoes and jewelery rap, then turn off the fuckin radio. Go Pick up some underground albums and remind urself why u fell in love with hip hop... I used to say hip hop died, but the truth is Hip Hop today has more creativity, and more real cats than it ever did. Its the fans that have gotten lazy and chew up any bullshit the big record companies throw at em.

Go study ur hip hop, and find shit u enjoy and relate to and stop complaining about how much hip hop sucks... I BLame the fans, for buying into corporate hip hop.. what do expect rappers to talk about if all the fuckin idiot fans are only bumpin that club shit and saying "yo i listen to rap for the beats not for a lyrics, if i wanted to pay attention to lyrics i'd read a book or a poem"

~peace

 

[CrazyLaw]

Let me clear my post up a little bit..... what I was talkin about was Radio play and such..... back in the days......When you put on the radio, you could actually listen to good music and videos were the best, original .... of course underground artist and rappers who dont get play keep hiphop/rap alive ...... but as far as radio play,etc etc is just dead with corny shit

 

[IMAN_B]

every1 who's tired of this better go to the store and buy hiphop is dead soon as it hits...i think its gonna be one of the best HIPHOP albums for some time now..... and secondly why do you listen to the radio?? thats where you hear shoulder lean and all that other nonsense talking songs.... burn your own cd from artists like common and lupe fiasco, talib kweli or nas and canibus and go bump that shit in your cars or whatever.... radio is radio....

 

[IMAN_B]

Hip Hop is not Bullshit now... Hip POP is Bullshit now. People pretend the only hip hop out there is the shit they play on the radio. U guys sick and tired of that crunk money, hoes and jewelery rap, then turn off the fuckin radio. Go Pick up some underground albums and remind urself why u fell in love with hip hop... I used to say hip hop died, but the truth is Hip Hop today has more creativity, and more real cats than it ever did. Its the fans that have gotten lazy and chew up any bullshit the big record companies throw at em.

Go study ur hip hop, and find shit u enjoy and relate to and stop complaining about how much hip hop sucks... I BLame the fans, for buying into corporate hip hop.. what do expect rappers to talk about if all the fuckin idiot fans are only bumpin that club shit and saying "yo i listen to rap for the beats not for a lyrics, if i wanted to pay attention to lyrics i'd read a book or a poem"

~peace

good post man! just what i meant in my first post above this one...

peace