Technology iPhone OS 4 event April 8th

masta247

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^It's you.

Let's put it this way. There are probably more than a thousand analysts whose sole day job is monitoring Apple and advising large institutional investors whether to invest in Apple or not. If you look at Apple's stock price in the last few days/weeks/months you'd know they're on top of their shit.

Techies like you and to a lesser extent, Casey Rain (because he can also see behind the scenes of just tech stuff, most of the time) fail to see the big picture and too often focus directly on tech specs. Sustainable competitive advantage does not solely depend on having the best-functioning product.
Unfortunately I know this. It just pisses me off. I'd consider buying Apple's stock if I could do it here for cheap too because I know they are doing well. Even Ipad proves that.. unfortunately.

@Fourteen - it's about ARM architecture. They patented it and that's the point - many other mobile processors are made on ARM architecture. That's true.
 

S. Fourteen

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Not so fast there Casey

MacDailyNews - No, Android did NOT just pass iPhone in mobile web traffic, not even close

Android did just NOT pass the iPhone in Web traffic in the U.S. last month, despite a story on TechCrunch with that assertion as the headline," Dan Frommer reports or The Business Insider. "Based on recent comScore data, we estimate that iPhone-based web traffic is still at least 2X Android web traffic in the U.S."

Frommer reports, "So why did TechCrunch get it wrong? The TechCrunch post is based on the latest monthly ad statistics from AdMob, a mobile ad network that's being acquired by Google. Specifically, one graph in AdMob's report showed that in March, Android's percentage of ad requests in AdMob's network surpassed the iPhone for the first time.

"TechCrunch takes this to mean that Android Web traffic exceeded iPhone Web traffic. "AdMob measures mobile ad impressions, which is a proxy for overall traffic," TechCrunch's Leena Rao explains," Frommer reports. "That's simply not accurate. While Android's user base -- and Web traffic consumption -- is growing and could eventually rival Apple's, AdMob's ad request data is NOT a proxy for mobile web usage in general."

Frommer reports, "iPhone users still outnumber Android users in the U.S. by at least 2 to 1, based on recent comScore data... It is not valid to say that Android passed iPhone in web usage using only AdMob's ad statistics as evidence."
pwned!
 

S. Fourteen

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^ what are you 10 years old? stop acting like a child -- read

After speaking with AdMob, we understand that AdMob is seizing a big percentage of the new Android-app ad market. At the same time, it is likely losing share of the iPhone ad market, which is becoming much more competitive as other ad networks like Millennial, JumpTap, and Google catch up to AdMob's early lead. Even Apple is about to jump in the scene.

So while AdMob still has a strong position in the iPhone ad market, it's probably not RELATIVELY as dominant as it is in the Android ad market. Therefore, AdMob is probably capturing a much higher share of Android ad requests than iPhone ad requests, which is skewing the stats in Android's favor.
 

Preach

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When I last bought a phone, I got an iPhone 3GS. Before that I had had an HTC S700 (I think it was called) which ran the Windows Mobile platform. Before that I had a very simple Sony Ericsson. Going from SE to HTC gave me a bunch more possibilities when it came to syncing against PC. Having a task manager and being able to install more than just java apps was what intrigued me as I was quiet the techie a few years ago.

The HTC experience was however clunky and awkward. The phone was very slow to start, very slow to turn off, low battery capacity, generally bad response times, often I had lag, multitasking was possible but already when running a second app you could feel how it affected the overall performance of the phone.

I have always built my own PCs by buying parts and putting them together. While I appreciate the open solution, this also has its cons. If any one component stops working, I have to file a complaint with the manufacturer and have no distributor that can do all the manual paperwork and shit for me. For me as a consumer, it's more of a hassle. My motive for buying PCs this way had more to do with being a techie and liking to fiddle with electronic devices, and it was also a financial one. Building your own PC is a lot cheaper.

I was never a fan of Macs. Not because they were bad, but because I had learned Windows, and Mac didn't really offer anything substantial that I needed, that PCs didn't. And I was familiar with Windows, very much so in fact. I worked in a place where they used Macs, this was right before the release of MacOsX, and MacOs 9 was shit. It looked old like Windows 3.1, and it was unintuitive. I never figured out how to create a new text document.

Much for the same reasons I've listed above, I am still a fan of the concept of buying parts and putting my PC together myself, and dealing with any problems that arise myself. I consider myself tech savvy enough that I can figure out compatibility problems myself. If I'm having particular issues with, say, the sound card and it's drivers, I might just return it and invest in a different sound card. I understand that the delicacy of how a circuit card works allows for many compatibility problems with different types of processing and memory chipsets, etc.

So came the time to buy a new phone, and I decided to look into the iPhone as there was a lot of hype around it. Android had just been released, and Casey was already hyping it up back then, but at that point it was very new and not something I felt like jumping onto. I'm not surfing the technology wave, I don't mind being one step behind. The devices I own serve the needs I have and if better devices create further needs in the future then those needs will be covered by those devices anyway. Due to what I explained above with the problematic nature of open-ended solutions and compatibility, I decided I was gonna give the closed Apple business model a chance and try the iPhone. The experience has been great. I'm sure other devices can do more things, and possibly better, but for me the experience was a huge improvement over what I was used to.

It doesn't matter to me that there are better things out there, more effective. The iPhone will serve my needs for a good time to come. Next time I buy a phone I'll try an Android based one as I guess HTC's phones perform better now than they did all those years ago.

My point with all this is, I guess I am a perfect target for their marketing. I came from a shitty experience and got a tailored solution where if anything fails, I don't have to think about it myself. I just send the phone in and either have it fixed or get another one. I know that every application will work the same, the experience is seamless. It's not about who's better or worse to me.

I perfectly understand their business moves. There is no other company like Apple out there, who offers solutions by the same model as Apple. In that sense, Apple fill a gap in the market by offering that type of solution for those that may want it. And there are many that want it.
 

Casey

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Next time I buy a phone I'll try an Android based one as I guess HTC's phones perform better now than they did all those years ago.
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For sure. HTC these days with Android compared to HTC a few years ago with WinMo is like night and day. I mean, shit, check out the upcoming Evo 4G. It makes the iphone, and even some other Android phones just look like fucking ancient technology. The Evo is the pinnacle of mobile phone excellence, and by a mile, too
 

S. Fourteen

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It doesn't matter to me that there are better things out there, more effective. The iPhone will serve my needs for a good time to come. Next time I buy a phone I'll try an Android based one as I guess HTC's phones perform better now than they did all those years ago.
Yeah, but does it matter?

Jesus preach, please summarize your shit for goodness sakes.
 

S. Fourteen

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Jonathan Ive interview

"For a large mulit-billion dollar company we don't actually make many different products," he explained. "We're so focused, we're very clear about our goals."

He said that Steve Jobs had always made it very clear that this focus on products was the only reason for Apple to exist - and contrasted the culture with that of other companies who talk about having similar aims: "If you have to spend time institutionalising that, talking about it, you end up chasing your tail."

So how did the company decide what customers wanted - surely by using focus groups? "We don't do focus groups," he said firmly, explaining that they resulted in bland products designed not to offend anyone.
 

Casey

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Apple know all there is to know about making bland products designed not to offend anyone. With their closed systems so they can baby the environment and their soulless, life-sucking white-parallel-lines-everywhere stores.
 

S. Fourteen

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You hate Apple so much that you changed your avy to an Android pissing on an Apple.

Andy Rubin (a former Apple employee LOL), Eric Schmidt and his freetard committees get together to discuss how they can imitate Apple and/or fill voids left by Apple. Feeding off the bottom so to speak.

Rubin goes on a major publication and compares Apple to North Korea and you eat it all up.

You whine about Steve Job's charismatic marketing methods at the same time you eat up all the bullshit about "don't be evil".

Apple steers their developers to better development methods, at the same time protecting their platform from junk by eliminating Flash and Google hops on the opportunity and form an alliance with Adobe. You eat it all up.

You boast about Ian Hickson's crusade to standardize HTML5, like Google is the pinnacle of technological innovation.(Or something like that anyway)

That's what you get with Google, you know? They ask themselves - how can we get these freetards to jump ship? I know! We'll support a technology that will be gone in years time!

Google says - We can make Casey look like a complete douchebag just like the time when he held on to the belief that hard-keys were a must have back when he was still rocking his Sidekick. Like when he was whining about the 3 extra seconds it took for iPhone users to type a text message. I guess HTC Sense UI took care of that didn't it Casey? Who arrived first again?

Oh, don't even get me started with the giant iPhone, Casey, the giant iPhone fail LOLOL. WePad? They can't even come up with a original name? It surly must be a product name for adult diapers, right Casey? I guess you'll need your Wee WeePad when you have your wet dreams about a tablet that runs desktop OS, OH WAIT! Nevermind! I wonder what's next.. GooTV?

You certainly make my sleepless nights more entertaining.
 
Casey makes me laugh with his hate for all things Apple lol. I cant take anything he states seriously coz its always sooooo extremely biased.

Fact is there is still no iPhone killer for me. No phone will give me a better experience than my iPhone. Really I don't give a fuck if an android phone has a slightly faster processor or more memory it doesn't make the phone better to use. Its the windows user mentality.

Hey S.Fourteen

Just got my iPad and love it, especially the book store but whats some cool apps you recommend to download?
 

Casey

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You hate Apple so much that you changed your avy to an Android pissing on an Apple.

Andy Rubin (a former Apple employee LOL), Eric Schmidt and his freetard committees get together to discuss how they can imitate Apple and/or fill voids left by Apple. Feeding off the bottom so to speak.
Looks like my avy got a rise out of you. Truth hitting a little too close to home? Rubin hasn't worked for Apple in over a decade. In fact, chances are he probably worked there before Jobs even came back. You know damn well Apple then is not comparable to Apple now (for better or worse).

Rubin goes on a major publication and compares Apple to North Korea and you eat it all up.

You whine about Steve Job's charismatic marketing methods at the same time you eat up all the bullshit about "don't be evil".
Charismatic marketing methods? Hardly. The guy brainwashes fanboys like you. and "Don't be evil" is more than just a catchphrase, Google employees live by it, fact.

Apple steers their developers to better development methods, at the same time protecting their platform from junk by eliminating Flash and Google hops on the opportunity and form an alliance with Adobe. You eat it all up.
Flash and AIR are great platforms. I use them regularly and have done for years. I have at least one application that I run 24/7 that is built on the AIR platform (Seesmic Desktop). Why WOULDN'T I support Adobe bringing their products to Android? For the record - Adobe first demonstrated Flash running on Android OVER A YEAR AGO - in case you are too stupid to figure out what that means, it means development of Flash for Android pre-dated this entire Apple/Adobe beef.

You boast about Ian Hickson's crusade to standardize HTML5, like Google is the pinnacle of technological innovation.(Or something like that anyway)
I've never said this.

That's what you get with Google, you know? They ask themselves - how can we get these freetards to jump ship? I know! We'll support a technology that will be gone in years time!
I'll throw down any of amount of money to tell you that Flash and AIR will still be relevant in a year. Five years, maybe not, unless there's lots of advances made on it. But it's not going anywhere in the NEAR future, and the only ones too stupid to see that are Apple.

Google says - We can make Casey look like a complete douchebag just like the time when he held on to the belief that hard-keys were a must have back when he was still rocking his Sidekick. Like when he was whining about the 3 extra seconds it took for iPhone users to type a text message. I guess HTC Sense UI took care of that didn't it Casey? Who arrived first again?
1 - you're an idiot. Who had the world's first integrated application download catalog built into the phone where you could purchase apps, games, and ringtones and have them billed directly on your phone bill, FIVE YEARS before the iPhone came out, which Apple them shamelessly ripped off the idea from, as well as trying to hire as many of the UI engineers as they could?

Who? Who? Oh yeah - the Hiptop/Sidekick - designed by ANDY RUBIN. Hard keys are still a must-have feature for me, my G1 has a QWERTY keyboard as well as the touchscreen. Evidently most people agree which is why the Motorola Droid has been the biggest selling Android device to date, and Verizon have been very successful with their ad campaign for it that has been shitting on iPhone left and right.

Neither of those devices mentioned have Sense UI either. And I guarantee you I can type out a message on the QWERTY keyboard MUCH faster than "3 seconds" less.

For the record, most people have been switching recently (as far as I can see) not because of Flash, but because of awesome things like Google Navigation with Street View. This has blown the mind of everyone that has seen it, and guess what? You'll never get it.

Oh, don't even get me started with the giant iPhone, Casey, the giant iPhone fail LOLOL. WePad? They can't even come up with a original name? It surly must be a product name for adult diapers, right Casey? I guess you'll need your Wee WeePad when you have your wet dreams about a tablet that runs desktop OS, OH WAIT! Nevermind! I wonder what's next.. GooTV?
ONCE AGAIN - you know NOTHING of what you speak of. Absolutely fuck-all.

Do you understand what the concept of an OPEN SOURCE OS is?

Let me break it down for you.

It means that any manufacturer, anywhere, can use a stripped down version of Android to power their hardware. If they want the core Google Apps they license them from Google who will insist on a certain level of quality control. But in many cases Google won't even know who's using the OS. This is the case with the WePad. Google and Android have NOTHING to do with the WePad. It's made by a German company. They just happened to build their system on top of Android. Google have nothing to do with other Android slates like the awesome Notion Ink Adam that has been made by an Indian company.

Hell I could invent some hardware right this second, put Android on it and call it "the super awesome slate running Android that makes anything s14 will ever buy look like a giant turd" - i've trademarked that name, by the way. See my point? I think you knew it originally, but in your DESPERATE (just like your idol Steve Jobs) attempt to have a valid criticism of Android, you failed completely. Just like when Jobs said "no no we don't want porn on iPhone OS, go to Android if you want that" - yeah, like installing a pornographic app from the App Store is less difficult than going into Safari and doing a search for "porn".

Make no mistake, if the Web didn't exist as an open platform, Apple would be trying to control that too. Too bad that'll NEVER happen, and when they try by doing things like not building Flash support, all that happens is their userbase abandon them.

Nice try with your post, but you failed, and even Stevie Wonder can see it.
 

masta247

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Plus my 2 cents about Flash - it will not be dead in the closest few years.
They either forced some smarter guys to leave Iphones/Ipads and/or some websites to add direct downloads under embedded videos. Because that's very convenient :rolleyes:
Not to mention that most flash solutions can't be solved differently and you simply can't use them with your Apple devices.

HTML5 can't be used INSTEAD of flash lmao. It can be used to play some flash animations that had to be done and converted in flash first. With it you can possibly play Flash games without installing flash plug-ins. Which means you lose some positives to .swf or .flv files too AND by now it's proven that Flash is.. faster. it's slower only on Safari on a Mac computer :D

PS. Talking about technologies from the past it's Apple that wants everything written in objective C which outside of Apple products is a dead language ;)
But yeah, I don't want to see how an Iphone would work if it was all in Java. That'd be some scary thing.
 

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