Illuminattile said:
EA boast that the Madden franchise, in its 16-or-so years has sold 40 million games. That's about the same as Super Mario Bros sold back in '85 on the NES. One game sold as many games as the entire Madden franchise.
Illuminattile said:
No. Madden doesn't sell well outside of America, but Pro Evo/Winning Elevens does. There are lots of European and Japanese gamers that like sports games. I like the PES franchise, they're good games. They're releasing Madden '07 for the Wii and you know what, I bet it sells lots of copies.
There are also a LOT of American gamers that like Mario and Zelda. And Pokemon for that matter. They're all worldwide best-sellers, it's not a European/Japanese thing. It's pretty ignorant of you to say "I don't like it, so it must be all those foreigners that are buying it".
Look at it this way; if you add the Madden franchise (40 million games sold since 1989) to the PES franchise (20 million games sold since 1997) you won't get close to the total combined sales of the Mario games, or the Zelda games, or the Pokemon games. The most popular sport in America + the most popular sport in the rest of the world = less popular than Mario.
The new Zelda is probably the most hyped game of the third-generation consoles. You probably haven't heard people talk about it because you only play NFL games and first-person shooters.
Shooters are always hyped, because some people are impressed by big guns and lots of blood - no matter how many times they see it. Go look at a shelf full of console magazines. Most of them will have a guy with a big gun on the cover, looking like a bad-ass.
And if you want to talk about longevity, why don't you wait and see how many people download the classic Mario/Zelda games on the Wii's virtual console? The number will be high. Despite the outdated graphics, the games will still be fun to play. The gameplay will be just as rewarding as it was the first time around, the levels will be just as challenging. How many people would want to download John Madden Football '92? None. Because there's a newer version out with better graphics. That's the difference between those types of games. Most sports games and most shooters lack depth. They're fun for a while, but by the time the next one comes out they're obsolete.
It's the same difference between a well-acted, well-scripted, well-directed film that's just as good 20 years later, and a brainless Hollywood action flick with special effects that look ridiculous 5 years on.
There are also a LOT of American gamers that like Mario and Zelda. And Pokemon for that matter. They're all worldwide best-sellers, it's not a European/Japanese thing. It's pretty ignorant of you to say "I don't like it, so it must be all those foreigners that are buying it".
Look at it this way; if you add the Madden franchise (40 million games sold since 1989) to the PES franchise (20 million games sold since 1997) you won't get close to the total combined sales of the Mario games, or the Zelda games, or the Pokemon games. The most popular sport in America + the most popular sport in the rest of the world = less popular than Mario.
The new Zelda is probably the most hyped game of the third-generation consoles. You probably haven't heard people talk about it because you only play NFL games and first-person shooters.
Shooters are always hyped, because some people are impressed by big guns and lots of blood - no matter how many times they see it. Go look at a shelf full of console magazines. Most of them will have a guy with a big gun on the cover, looking like a bad-ass.
And if you want to talk about longevity, why don't you wait and see how many people download the classic Mario/Zelda games on the Wii's virtual console? The number will be high. Despite the outdated graphics, the games will still be fun to play. The gameplay will be just as rewarding as it was the first time around, the levels will be just as challenging. How many people would want to download John Madden Football '92? None. Because there's a newer version out with better graphics. That's the difference between those types of games. Most sports games and most shooters lack depth. They're fun for a while, but by the time the next one comes out they're obsolete.
It's the same difference between a well-acted, well-scripted, well-directed film that's just as good 20 years later, and a brainless Hollywood action flick with special effects that look ridiculous 5 years on.