Iran to hang teenage girl attacked by rapists

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#61
You amuse me realy you do :) but im not getting into a slanging match as it would insult my sixth grade education . So it ends here .
Bottom line it is imo that the west is a better place to live and im sticking with that , you live in a western society and can move to the middle east once you leave school and are old enough so its all good . You can have your religion and beliefs and ill have mine . We could argue all night and insult each other , but after all its only an internet discusion . Im out
 

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#63
TecK NeeX said:
WoW Lol, you've just proved what i've been saying all along about you to be true. You're so fucking uneducated it's unbelievable, Sucks to be you. discussion with a 6th grader ends here. Do a search on the European Dark Ages and who was the main contributor to pulling them out of that deep hole they were in
Charlemagne.
 

Jokerman

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#64
Khaled said:
I have lived mainly in Lebanon, and i might be the least religious person on the board, but for me, life in here is 10 times better than in any other western country i ve visited.
Lebanon rules!
 

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#65
not really ken said:
:rolleyes:
must be easy being you!

yes or no!
I didnt think you would answer as we both know the truth dont we !

Its very easy being me as i live in a very peacful and humane society unlike many other nations i could mention and i enjoy it thank you very much , but hey like i said if some people are happy living in oppresed barbaric places worshiping fucked up religions then more power to them , its when the death and anarchy gets brought into my country is when i object . Like i said we could argue all day and night you have your opinions and beliefs and i have mine .

Originaly posted by jokerman - Lebononan rules !
:)
 
#66
jaimie.uk fan said:
I didnt think you would answer as we both know the truth dont we !
Its very easy being me as i live in a very peacful and humane society unlike many other nations i could mention and i enjoy it thank you very much , but hey like i said if some people are happy living in oppresed barbaric places worshiping fucked up religions then more power to them , its when the death and anarchy gets brought into my country is when i object . Like i said we could argue all day and night you have your opinions and beliefs and i have mine .



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your so arrogant, it's unbelievable, I just hope that someone else would point this out to you for your own benefit (Duke? Pittsey?). You can't even see why you stipulating I could only answer with a yes or no is plain stupid. And then you think it's somekind of victory that I don't stoop to your level of ignorance. I have never ever dodged a question in this forum since I have been here. I have been involved in 30+ pages threads (old board) regularly. But I refuse to engage with someone who is arrogant beyond belief and is clouding his judgement because of an obscene level of ignorance and 'nazism' to his own world view.


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Pittsey

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#67
Too many people on here are very closed to their own little world.

Jamie, you are 1 of them. You can't argue that the Western world is better and then say "you have no interest in learing about Islam". If the Western World is all you know, apart from what yoy see on TV or read in papers then you cannot really argue your point.

And to others, who've said that things like "Lebanon is better than all Western countries I've been to". I think it's quite obvious that There's no place like home. We all feel the same. No matter where you live.

I don't know how this turned into a religious thread, or how it became a my country is better than your country, (My dad's stronger than your dad), thread. But it is rediculous to me. There are millions of people in this world, we are all different and prefer different things. We aren't all going to get along, and we aren't all going to want to live in the same places.

And the Middle East isn't a third world country. The big cities there are the same as any other big city in the world. The laws are different, but so are laws between the UK, Oz, and the US. And they are in essence very similar.


This forum promotes all religions and some of the posts in this thread would make the BNP proud. Please stop.
 

Duke

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#68
^ I know what you mean, Ken, but i don't think jamie means it in an evil way. He just likes it here best.


Khaled said:
You cannot say that the west offers a better life than other places. we each have our values, you cannot compare by saying your values are better than others. Not all muslim countries are like Iran. But that doesn't mean that middle eastern countries are a worse place to live.
i lived many years in Europe (france, Switzerland and Spain) and i can tell you, different doesn't mean better or worse. Maybe in some countries, religion and sate are not 100% seperate, but what i saw in the west the first time was a horrible way to live: you can see people in the subway walking around lke zombies, working 20hours a day, with no or very few human contacts, people treat others like shit (most of them anyway). people don't talk to their famillies for months: i m not generalizing, but it's a common phenomena in the west. In exchange, you have better technology, better administrative services, a more comfortable standard of living, but that doesn't mean that life is better.
I have lived mainly in Lebanon, and i might be the least religious person on the board, but for me, life in here is 10 times better than in any other western country i ve visited.

Khaled here said it best. Each has it's values and it depends on the individual what "the best place to live" is. For jamie_uk it's the west (i'm guessing the UK :p ), for me it would probably be right here. For the next man it could be Antarctica.

One can not say "the West is the best place for anyone to live PERIOD", because it simply can not be true.
 

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#69
I know this has little to do with the topic but i have been attacked and feel i should defend and explain myself.

Having read Pitteseys point i agree and to ken i do come across arrogant but half of this stems from what has been happening recently and you dont seem to get my anger but let me explain why i am this way -

To be honest i realy feel like saying Fuck Islam , Fuck Muslims , Fuck the Middle East because of whats happening recently in my country - The U.K.- its wrong of me but its how i feel which im sure Pittsey will confirm is the simmering feeling at the moment amongst a lot of British people . But ask yourselves why this is ?

When i see these bastards on T.V. encouraging the death of innocent human beings whilst living freely in this country and enjoying the benifits of the westerm world it makes my blood boil , and certinaly doesnt paint a perfect picture of what Islam is and who decent muslims are .

I will say now im not interested in any religion and take people on who they are , so yes i am ignorant to religion and different cultures as ken says because i dont give a fuck what you worship and what you believe , if your cool with me want to live peacefuly then great , if not then i have a problem and rightly so .

Khaled had a very fair point about values etc and made some good points and pretty much killed my argument however i still will not believe that the Middle east is a better place to live than Europe , Pittseys right all i see about these countrys is on the news and in papers and its anarchy , sorry but its true .

So i am a Muslim hating ignorant arrogant British bastard , i will not hide away from this but what you should do is ask yourself why ? can you blame me ?

I do not hate sikhs , i do not hate jews , i do not hate black , chinese people or whoever , i hate people who are openly attacking my country and asking for Jihad and the death of innocent people .
This is why i am the way i am

I just want to live a peaceful life as do you im sure , but people who follow your Faith - Ken and Teck neex do not so im going to question and attack this and their way of life in discusions on this forum and if you do not like this then i make no apologies .
However i will apologise now if i have offended anyone personaly as we are all adults and should be able to have civilsed discusions.
 

Pittsey

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#70
^^ The media will always sensationalise a story. You have to see past that. You cannot judge people on a tiny percentage.

Islam is a peaceful religion. You shouldn't judge them on a tiny percentage of the people who follow Islam. Just like we are not all like you see on Ibiza uncovered.
 

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#71
Tupac Tha Great said:
I sick of these fucking muslim countrys with there die hard religious beliefs.Im sorry if i insult but a lot of the religion is bullshit and barbaric.I mean women are treated as second class citizens.Then they have the nerve to view all western people are evil.
Are you fucking stupid? Taking into account the country you live in, you my friend are bordering on the intelligence of farm animals.

Based on what you say I could presume that all Christians (Catholic and Prostant) are full of shit because of what used to happen (and still does happen) in Ireland. This wouldn't have even got to court there in some cases.

You seriously need to sort yourself out.
 

Taliq

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#72
Duke said:
Most rapes go unreported, wherever you are. Trusting those statistics is idiocy.

And in *most* Western countries, it's not "legal" to kill someone who is trying to rape you, but given the circumstances (getting raped and all) the victims usually don't get severe punishment, and rightly so imo.

What happens in Iran is appaling, but it hasn't got much to do with Islam on itself. More with a crooked country and bad leaders.
Duke up until this point this is the most objective and informed statement I've read. :thumb: Repped
 

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#73
jaimie.uk fan said:
Why ? Im not interested in Islam or any other religions because (and i stress) in my opinion it is more trouble than its worth , as we have seen in recent weeks and throughout history , but back to my post you commented on ill say again i feel western societys are better places to live than middle eastern , if you think im wrong please explain to me why this is .

Also their is an argument that some Muslims should be reading up on Islam a little more and its definition with events that has happened recently - but thats another discusion
You're making yourself out to be stupid, but hey if that's what you actually are...

Think about it. You've, a self-proclaimed, lack of need for knowledge on religion. I'm not saying you have to like it, but you could at least read up on it before passing comment. Learning about it would give you both good and bad arguments. However, instead of educating yourself you see fit to comment, with you only prior knowledge coming from the (negative) media. It's not a suprise that you've got a negative opinion on (maybe all) religion. But it is a suprise that you spout the amount of rubbish you do without even noticing it. Grow up and educate yourself.
 

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#74
Taliq said:
You're making yourself out to be stupid, but hey if that's what you actually are...

Think about it. You've, a self-proclaimed, lack of need for knowledge on religion. I'm not saying you have to like it, but you could at least read up on it before passing comment. Learning about it would give you both good and bad arguments. However, instead of educating yourself you see fit to comment, with you only prior knowledge coming from the (negative) media. It's not a suprise that you've got a negative opinion on (maybe all) religion. But it is a suprise that you spout the amount of rubbish you do without even noticing it. Grow up and educate yourself.
Some fair comments , however im not stupid and it depends on how you define stupid , im not interesred in religion as imo it causes the majority of the problems in the world along with greed and the two often go hand in hand , am i as stupid as those idiots in London protesting evil or those idiots rioting over a cartoon ?? i take people on who they are and not what they believe , but if religion shapes people into who they are and its good then great , but im attacking and questioning those that are not good people and who want to kill people in the name of religion , i do not need to read up on this as its happening in my country and others and i dont like it , religion is not always good and its not always right as stated by some and many people on here look at things through rose tinted glasses , only seeing what they want to see and passing comment when they feel Muslims are being attacked but fail to see why they are being attacked . Maybe if those dickheads in London and beyond read up on how to live peacefuly in the country they are lucky to live in and learned to embrace another countrys beliefs and customs instead of demandind that their own be heard and then none of this would be happening , this country especialy bends over backwards to accomadate other religions and beliefs and this is the thanks it gets .
 

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#75
jaimie.uk fan said:
I know this has little to do with the topic but i have been attacked and feel i should defend and explain myself.

Having read Pitteseys point i agree and to ken i do come across arrogant but half of this stems from what has been happening recently and you dont seem to get my anger but let me explain why i am this way -

To be honest i realy feel like saying Fuck Islam , Fuck Muslims , Fuck the Middle East because of whats happening recently in my country - The U.K.- its wrong of me but its how i feel which im sure Pittsey will confirm is the simmering feeling at the moment amongst a lot of British people . But ask yourselves why this is ?

When i see these bastards on T.V. encouraging the death of innocent human beings whilst living freely in this country and enjoying the benifits of the westerm world it makes my blood boil , and certinaly doesnt paint a perfect picture of what Islam is and who decent muslims are .

I will say now im not interested in any religion and take people on who they are , so yes i am ignorant to religion and different cultures as ken says because i dont give a fuck what you worship and what you believe , if your cool with me want to live peacefuly then great , if not then i have a problem and rightly so .

Khaled had a very fair point about values etc and made some good points and pretty much killed my argument however i still will not believe that the Middle east is a better place to live than Europe , Pittseys right all i see about these countrys is on the news and in papers and its anarchy , sorry but its true .

So i am a Muslim hating ignorant arrogant British bastard , i will not hide away from this but what you should do is ask yourself why ? can you blame me ?

I do not hate sikhs , i do not hate jews , i do not hate black , chinese people or whoever , i hate people who are openly attacking my country and asking for Jihad and the death of innocent people .
This is why i am the way i am

I just want to live a peaceful life as do you im sure , but people who follow your Faith - Ken and Teck neex do not so im going to question and attack this and their way of life in discusions on this forum and if you do not like this then i make no apologies .
However i will apologise now if i have offended anyone personaly as we are all adults and should be able to have civilsed discusions.
this is enough! this was your last post in this thread. too much ignorance and generalization.
 

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#76
jaimie.uk fan said:
Some fair comments , however im not stupid and it depends on how you define stupid , im not interesred in religion as imo it causes the majority of the problems in the world along with greed and the two often go hand in hand , am i as stupid as those idiots in London protesting evil or those idiots rioting over a cartoon ??
This again shows your ignorance. If people are willing to go to such lengths over cartoons, then don't you think you should ask why they are oing this? I'm not saying like it or join it, but you could at least look at it objectively with arguments/evidence from both sides.

Let me put it this way, for this particular case. Say I insult your mother. Your going to be upset and angry over this. But to me, who the hell is your mother? If I was like you, I couldn't care less and would think your being an idiot for getting angry over some woman who's a nobody. But in reality you would have every right to get angry because your mother has great value to you, maybe not to others but to you. This is maybe becuase you belong to the same family, there is a special bond, etc.

Now take that train of though and apply it to the cartoons and religion. A lot of religions hold certain people higher than others, these people are special, like your mother is to you. Therefore if someone insults them the 'family' is going to get upset and angry. Now take into consideration that this is not over worldly matters, but over religious matters. God (Allah and any other name people know Him by) and religion are more important than anything on this world (I'm not saying agree with this, just understand). Think how angry you would be then? You obviously don't acknowledge this because you, personally, don't place value on the religion, its prophets, etc like some people would place no value on your family. But you have to understand there are people out there you do place value on their religion, as you do to your mother (I'm using her as an example, don't reply with "I hate her anyway".

jaimie.uk fan said:
i take people on who they are and not what they believe , but if religion shapes people into who they are and its good then great , but im attacking and questioning those that are not good people and who want to kill people in the name of religion , i do not need to read up on this as its happening in my country and others and i dont like it , religion is not always good and its not always right as stated by some and many people on here look at things through rose tinted glasses , only seeing what they want to see and passing comment when they feel Muslims are being attacked but fail to see why they are being attacked . Maybe if those dickheads in London and beyond read up on how to live peacefuly in the country they are lucky to live in and learned to embrace another countrys beliefs and customs instead of demandind that their own be heard and then none of this would be happening , this country especialy bends over backwards to accomadate other religions and beliefs and this is the thanks it gets .
You're asking others to learn and ask why things happen, but you refuse to do the same. You say you don't have to read up on anything because it's all around you. But where do you get your information from if you're not going out and finding it for yourself? If its the media, then that's just one side of the story because the media mostly reports on the negative aspects of life (that goes for everything, not just religion). If you get your information from friends, who the hell are they? I presume they're not scholars of any kind? Or are they well educated and well informed people? No? So they're average Joe's, like you, who are fed negative reports from the press and other media. You only get one side of the story, therefore YOU are also one who sees things through tinted specs, YOU are the one who has a narrow, single tracked mind and yet you ask OTHERS to educate themselves. With all due respect you can't comment on any of this as your opinion carries little or no weight. Most, if not all of your responses have been prejudice, ignorant and at least border on religious hatred. If this is how the rest of your opinions are formed I suggest you live in a remote part of the countryside somewhere, do not breed and do not pass on your opinion to anyone else. You are the one that is not fit to live in a civilised society.
 

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#77
I would answer fully Taliq but will respect BeReals request of being my last post , im a little disapointed that he has picked out parts of my post which makes things look worse than they are and if you read those points only you wouldnt get what i was saying and why i was saying it , i fully explained why i feel like this so i feel justified in what i said , I was attacked and defended myself , but hey its only a discusion .
 
#78
im not gonna sift through six pages of shit, but i'll just say this....that is fucked up...oh, and there's another example of why it sucks to be a woman...
 

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