Boycott Denmark & Norway

[Valeoz]

First of all I am sure that most of the non Muslims who will read such article will think that the poster has a good knowledge about Islam which is wrong. For example the Saudi Flag. Do you know what is the meaning of the Arabic words that are on the flag? I guess not. What is writing on the flag is something that every Muslim believe in and I am not sure how to translate it correctly but it goes something like this "No God to be but Allah , Mohammad is the Messenger of Allah" So when a Muslim is waving for that flag dosent necessary means that he is supporting Saudi Arabia(You get my point).

Do you not realize that the poster is also a Muslim? And why show something you believe in with a Saudi Arabia national flag? Makes no sense.

About that the Cartoonis was published in September and the actions (Boycott, riots, whatever) started to take action now is simply because first when those cartoonis was published our governments tried to talk to the Danish government but the PM wouldn’t even bother to set down and talk to them. We thought that some kinda action will be taken by the Danish government but nothing was taken. Then in the first day of Eid they published it again in Norway then … …. …. …. You know the rest don’t you?

People couldn’t take it no more and get out of control.

Did you even read the article thoroughly? People been creating pictures and cartoons of Mohammad for years. Now all of a sudden people want to be doing something about it now? Some entity has moved the ball of inertia and there is great reason to suspect Saudi Arabia.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Did you even read the article thoroughly? People been creating pictures and cartoons of Mohammad for years. Now all of a sudden people want to be doing something about it now? Some entity has moved the ball of inertia and there is great reason to suspect Saudi Arabia.

Which is exactly why we never saw such wide spread protests and demonstrations as the ones we see today, cause none of the other photos of the Prophet paints him as a suicide bomber and a terrorist, do they? or maybe that no one printed them on a news papers for everyone to see? or that maybe they never heard or seen any of them? many possibilities

 

[Jokerman]

cause none of the other photos of the Prophet paints him as a suicide bomber and a terrorist

But aren't Muslim suicide bombers and terrorists heroes who are going straight to paradise, at least according to many of the ones who are protesting these cartoons? Therefore, Mohammad is being portrayed as a hero by these Dutch cartoonists and Muslims around the world should be celebrating. Finally, he gets portrayed as the hero he is.
:thumb:

 

[not really ken]

The newspaper that the drawings were in was not a state-sponsered newspaper, therefore the goverment has nothing to do with it. Denmark has Freedom of the Press in their constitution, for the goverment to change the rights of the press they would need to change the constitution which the people would not like at all

The government has laws in place which prevent these papers printing anything they want. Obviously the government feels no need to limit these cartoons which is why the press were able to print them, but inciting violence towards people is banned, even though the press is not state sponsored the government prevent them from printing anti-(insert group) material.

 

[not really ken]

"A demonstrator who imitated a suicide bomber in a Muslim protest over cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad has been recalled to prison."

"He was given five and a half years in prison in December 2002 for dealing cocaine and heroin."

and he calls himself a muslim
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4687996.stm

what's a drug conviction in 2002 got to do with it, maybe the guy has turned his life around, do you know for a fact he hasn't? Why be so judgemental about something he did in his life 4 years ago? Why bring this into the thread? what purpose has it served? Who's argument were you refuting?

 

[Minardi]

Which is exactly why we never saw such wide spread protests and demonstrations as the ones we see today, cause none of the other photos of the Prophet paints him as a suicide bomber and a terrorist, do they? or maybe that no one printed them on a news papers for everyone to see? or that maybe they never heard or seen any of them? many possibilities

Or what about this far fetched scenario :

Danish imams traveled out in middle eastern countries with pictures wich wasnt even printed in Jyllands posten, combine that with widespread lies like those about Denmark burning the quran as a protest against muslims.

These imams should be kicked out of my country, seriously.

 

[Valeoz]

The government has laws in place which prevent these papers printing anything they want. Obviously the government feels no need to limit these cartoons which is why the press were able to print them, but inciting violence towards people is banned, even though the press is not state sponsored the government prevent them from printing anti-(insert group) material.

You need to think about that. Cartoons don't incite violence, never even heard of it and there was no incitement in those cartoons what so ever. Islamists are the ones who are inciting the violence.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Or what about this far fetched scenario :

Danish imams traveled out in middle eastern countries with pictures wich wasnt even printed in Jyllands posten, combine that with widespread lies like those about Denmark burning the quran as a protest against muslims.

These imams should be kicked out of my country, seriously.

Link? if they really did that i agree with you that they should be punished and deported

But aren't Muslim suicide bombers and terrorists heroes who are going straight to paradise, at least according to many of the ones who are protesting these cartoons? Therefore, Mohammad is being portrayed as a hero by these Dutch cartoonists and Muslims around the world should be celebrating. Finally, he gets portrayed as the hero he is.
:thumb:

Now that is offensive, stupid and ignorant at the same time, because a very small percentage of Muslims are Extremists and resort to violence first thing the prophet should be portrayed as one? Why can't he be portrayed according to what he said and not what his few so-called followers who know no better? why can't he be portrayed according to the majority and i mean 99.9 % of the muslim population who are peaceful and against violence?

 

[k69atie]

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13504163,00.html

 

[Minardi]

Link? if they really did that i agree with you that they should be punished and deported

The propaganda was led by Danish Imam Abu Laban and Ahmed Akkari.

Try to do a search on them if you need more info.
The best i could find was the 43 long report they took with them to the middle east, wich was used as propaganda.

These are some of the pictures wich the imams lied about :

http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger30.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger31.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger32.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger33.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger34.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger35.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger36.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger38.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger39.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger40.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger41.jpg

All the pages can be read at
http://ekstrabladet.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=329877
in Arabic ofcourse.

http://www.neandernews.com/?p=54

 

[Pittsey]

Did any of you actually bother to read the damn article? read it and understand why they're doing this, Its not a cycle of 'take this, take that', this is not done in retaliation to the danish cartoons, Its your beloved freedom of speech and freedom to pick on whom ever you want.

So what you are saying is the Muslim community acts like 5 year old children and believe 2 wrongs make a right? That'll help with the division with Western Society.

Do you not think that by turning the other cheek and being the bigger man that it would help the division and give Islam a lot more respect. I guess not, because it seems from Muslims that I know, that's all about punishment for perceived crimes, and that no-one should ever get away with these perceived wrongs. It must be a culural thing, same as with a lot of old school Japanese people. I may be generalising, which I hate doing... But it does come across that way.

 

[Pittsey]

You need to think about that. Cartoons don't incite violence, never even heard of it and there was no incitement in those cartoons what so ever. Islamists are the ones who are inciting the violence.

The cartoons did start all this though. And if they weren't published to create trouble, why were they published. I could have told them that all this would turn out like this, and I'm just your average reader.

 

[Jokerman]

Why can't he be portrayed according to what he said and not what his few so-called followers who know no better? why can't he be portrayed according to the majority and i mean 99.9 % of the muslim population who are peaceful and against violence?

Because one is not allowed to portray him period, which just lends more credence to the negative image Islam puts out which gave these illustrators their theme. They weren't criticizing Islam or Mohammad so much as they were Militant Islamism.

Remember how all this started. A writer of a children's book about Mohammad was looking for an illustrator and every one was afriad to do it, so the newspaper held a contest. They should have made it clear that these were supposed to be positive images for a positive book, but they didn't. And when you tell readers that no one wanted to do positive images because they were scared, it naturally brought out the sarcasm in some. And when they got negative images they decided to publish them anyway because they were feeling sarcastic about the whole thing, too.

So if no one can make positive illustrations of Muhammad, the only ones out there are going to be negative, sarcastic ones.

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

Originaly posted by Teck Neex - WTF does this have anything to do with the topic of this thread? do you always feel the need to throw in a cheap shot at Islam at the end of every post of yours? Jesus

You're Jewish aren't you? I'm just wondering, you seemed pretty pissed when you quoted that guy with the Iranian article about drawing cartoons about the holocaust

Im not pissed enough about the article to start rioting and be-having like an animal . If you read the post and what i said it all ties in perfectly to how Muslims are percieved by many people .

Just out of interest i am not Jewish and realy do not believe in any God , although i do hope there is some kind of Heaven for all good souls to end up , its just i wont blow up a bus full of people in the vain hope i meet one hundred virgins there .

 

[not really ken]

You need to think about that. Cartoons don't incite violence, never even heard of it and there was no incitement in those cartoons what so ever. Islamists are the ones who are inciting the violence.

Did you read properly the context of my post. I=I think you need to go back and think about it!

 

[not really ken]

Im not pissed enough to start rioting and be-having like an animal . .

[jokerman]it's not the weekend yet[/jokerman]

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

[jokerman]it's not the weekend yet[/jokerman]

i agree

 

[Glockmatic]

Can you really not tell difference between that and the danish cartoons? Are the comedy shows located in a non-christian nation? No, those comedy shows can be found in their own country done by the same race and nationality, when a muslim nation mocks christianity and Jesus you would see demonstrations and protests.

Well I wouldn't demostrate because i'm not a Christian, I don't think there would be much uproar if Muslims made fun of Jesus or Christianity because Christians grew away from that years ago. Not everyone in the western world is Christian, infact I bet those comedians aren't religious at all. Also not everyone in the west are white, comedians come in every colour and size. Your argument is that the west (which you think are all white and christian) are against muslims, which is just dumb

 

[Duke]

So what you are saying is the Muslim community acts like 5 year old children and believe 2 wrongs make a right? That'll help with the division with Western Society.

Do you not think that by turning the other cheek and being the bigger man that it would help the division and give Islam a lot more respect. I guess not, because it seems from Muslims that I know, that's all about punishment for perceived crimes, and that no-one should ever get away with these perceived wrongs. It must be a culural thing, same as with a lot of old school Japanese people. I may be generalising, which I hate doing... But it does come across that way.

Agreed. Having a Holocaust happiness contest is at least just as disrespectful as drawing the propher Muhammed with a bomb in his turban. I won't lose any sleep over them doing it, if they want to, go ahead. But it makes no sense at all to do, from any point of view it's hypocritical and disrespectful.


Gathering from the responses here, however, i'd conclude that many muslims also do find them disrespectful. So again it's a small extremistically orientated group that ruins it for the others, lol

 

[Duke]

I'm actually more concerend of the muslim people in denmark then anyother. The sad thing is that whatever happens in the "muslims world" it affects us here. After world trade center we were looked down by swedes under a long period. Just after 2 weeks a woman got her burka ripped off by 2 men in a bicycle spitting at her and blaming her for being muslim. And this is what I think that the danish muslims might feel themselves persecuted. not the ones in middle east.


I haven't either but, like I mentioned in my upper post, I think it's the danish muslims that will take the blow, especially now after the bombthreats. Narrowminded people will blame the danish muslims. Needless to say that denmarks population is one of the most "restricted" when it comes to treating muslims.

All in all, I'm all for the freedom of speech but I also must take in consideration the aftermath of such a gesture. As the saying goes; "It's better to be cautios [...]" I forgot the rest

Yeah thats true, i know what you mean. Narrowminded people often dont seem to understand that extremists don't represent the entire population. I mean, with this cartoon upheavel too, we may have seen 50 million Muslims demonstrating, boycotting and rioting, but the majority was probably sitting at home shaking their heads.