Boycott Denmark & Norway

[RFTP]

People on any side take things too far, granted. But they're minorities, and extremists will, per definition, always remain a minority. Do we want to curb freedom of speech because of what extremists make of it? I say no.

I'm actually more concerend of the muslim people in denmark then anyother. The sad thing is that whatever happens in the "muslims world" it affects us here. After world trade center we were looked down by swedes under a long period. Just after 2 weeks a woman got her burka ripped off by 2 men in a bicycle spitting at her and blaming her for being muslim. And this is what I think that the danish muslims might feel themselves persecuted. not the ones in middle east.

I haven't researched it but I doubt many people are "swayed" by those cartoons to join the anti-Islam side.

I haven't either but, like I mentioned in my upper post, I think it's the danish muslims that will take the blow, especially now after the bombthreats. Narrowminded people will blame the danish muslims. Needless to say that denmarks population is one of the most "restricted" when it comes to treating muslims.

All in all, I'm all for the freedom of speech but I also must take in consideration the aftermath of such a gesture. As the saying goes; "It's better to be cautios [...]" I forgot the rest

 

[RFTP]

What a dumb idea.

The Danish publish an offensive picture so let's attack the Jews!!

I bet the Jewish show a lot more dignity, than many Muslims have in the same position. Are people that stupid they think attacking another race/religion is going to make people more understanding and destroy the cliches.

I totally agree, this is the MOST stupid thing muslims could done and they did it. Why the fuck do they want to attack the jews?

Oh God, all this trouble for the cartoons. I don't know who to blame on anylong, really..

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

QUOTE] - Iran's best-selling newspaper has launched a competition to find the best cartoon about the Holocaust in retaliation for the publication in many European countries of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad.

You are joking ? A small percentage of Muslims realy are not portraying themselves or their religion in a good light at the moment are they , im sorry but those animals rioting , those idiots in London and now this leaves a bad taste in the mouth and further adds to the opinions sadly many non - muslims have about the religion and its followers . They could of used this whole episode to show the world that they are above such nonsense and that they are better than the Murderous terrorists the cartoons portrayed them to be however they didnt and behaved exactly how many expected of them . I totaly agree with Pittsey that the jewish people will show more dignity , its a shame that Muslims and Islam reads to much into their so called superiority over other religions and faiths and realises that Islam is not always right and that maybe , just maybe other more dignified religions are in turn far superior .

 

[Khaled]

^^ i agree with you. But that's freedom of speech, isn't it????

i hate how people claim to be superior to others, then criticize them for doing the same things they did.

its a shame that Muslims and Islam reads to much into their so called superiority over other religions and faiths

no one claimed islam is superior to other religions. What are you talking about??

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

no one claimed islam is superior to other religions. What are you talking about??

Sorry but i have seen a few placards and signs recently to suggest this is so , and with a quote like Islam is always right surely confims this - am i wrong ?? I thought it was common knowledge Muslims think Islam is superior and is a belief that plays a part in their religion . Im sure i will have Muslims bringing quotes etc and arguments but what i have said in my first post in my opinion is a very fair relection of what has happened recently and the way Muslims are portrayed . I would be interseted in anyone arguing otherwise . Many people on here answer a questions with another question and not answer what was asked . Lets see how people can answer what i have said now .

 

[CoolWaterz]

^^ i agree with you. But that's freedom of speech, isn't it????

i hate how people claim to be superior to others, then criticize them for doing the same things they did.

They can draw whatever they want to draw. I doubt you are going to see Jews mob the streets of wherever they live and burn down all the flags of arab countries though.
Like usual, they will bite their teeth and take it in the ass again like they always do when everything is blamed on them.

Iran just wants to stir up agression towards Israel. They want arab countries behind them as they anxiously await the day they will send missiles into Israel.

 

[RFTP]

Oh, as far as this topic, I'm done, just wanted to show my point of view. It was nice debating to Pittsey and Duke though :thumb:

 

[Jokerman]

Iran's best-selling newspaper has launched a competition to find the best cartoon about the Holocaust in retaliation for the publication in many European countries of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad.

In retaliation to this, Jews should launch a competition to find the best cartoon insulting Hindus and cows.

 

[Jokerman]

This just in:

In response to a series of offensive cartoons published in an Iranian newspaper and subsequently printed in every newspaper around the globe, including many which had refused to publish the now-forgotten "anti-Muslim" cartoons last winter, the "Jewish street" erupted.

At Artie's Delicatessen on the Upper West Side of New York, Josh Greenberg ate a pastrami sandwich with a friend, Abe Kolman, hoping to avoid all the furor in the Jewish street. "Zabar's is a mad house today," Greenberg observed. When asked about the Iranian newspaper controversy, Greenberg said "What are you going to do?"

Kolman, an orthodontist, added "I'd stop eating Iranian pistachios, I guess."

The White House continued to plead with Jews across America to stay calm.

 

[Illuminattile]

So they've gone from "I can't believe they published those cartoons, how disrespectful, this is a blatant attack on the Muslim faith" to "Yeah, well, we can draw offensive cartoons too"?

 

[CoolWaterz]

So they've gone from "I can't believe they published those cartoons, how disrespectful, this is a blatant attack on the Muslim faith" to "Yeah, well, we can draw offensive cartoons too"?

no in typical fashion they said its all the jews fault. lets turn this around and focus our anger on them. Lets all bomb Israel thats their hopes

 

[not really ken]

So they've gone from "I can't believe they published those cartoons, how disrespectful, this is a blatant attack on the Muslim faith" to "Yeah, well, we can draw offensive cartoons too"?

The Quran condemns this kind of action with strong words. I am appalled, really I fucking am :fury:

the Quran states explicitly never to mock and/or ridicule the beliefs and values of others. It is freedom of speech in the l;iteral sense but it is use of a right without taking responsibility.

With all rights, come even bigger responsibilities. And Glcokmatic, the government is to a large extent responsible for placing limitations on its citizens in regards to how they excercise their rights. Some people are too stupid anyway so they have to have 'big brother' curtailing their freedoms. The government is elected to be able to place limitations on the people of the country.

 

[Glockmatic]

The newspaper that the drawings were in was not a state-sponsered newspaper, therefore the goverment has nothing to do with it. Denmark has Freedom of the Press in their constitution, for the goverment to change the rights of the press they would need to change the constitution which the people would not like at all

 

[Glockmatic]

The one guy that was dressed as a suicide bomber (actually he was just wearing a military jacket bought from the high street) apologised for any offense to the 7/7 victims families and stated he was not there to show support for violence.

"A demonstrator who imitated a suicide bomber in a Muslim protest over cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad has been recalled to prison."

"He was given five and a half years in prison in December 2002 for dealing cocaine and heroin."

and he calls himself a muslim
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4687996.stm

 

[Radafi]

Okay a few things,
The people that own those papers are Jewish just to say first of all. I believe this was orchestrated to cause a violent response just for starters. But what we have to realize whether you are muslim or not (im not), the society we live in today is one that recognizes teh press as a means to express yourself. I believe that the cartoonists could of used more restraint if they wished to but they didnt have to. This response is totally, ludacris though because people are dieing over a F&*$ing cartoon. Western society needs to realize that they are on uneasy waters with the muslim worlds at this point in time because of actions taken by the united states in iraq. All of you people in foreign countries, do not judge us americans based on the actions of our government. THis state we live in today is approaching that of a police state. People who oppose our dear president are being spyed on. This country is split in half. People are starting to wake up and many are afraid to as well in fear of being labled as unpatriotic. So the point i tryed to make with my big schpiel is that things in teh world today are hectic and all it takes is one little event liek this to get things goin bananas.

 

[Khaled]

Sorry but i have seen a few placards and signs recently to suggest this is so , and with a quote like Islam is always right surely confims this - am i wrong ?? I thought it was common knowledge Muslims think Islam is superior and is a belief that plays a part in their religion . Im sure i will have Muslims bringing quotes etc and arguments but what i have said in my first post in my opinion is a very fair relection of what has happened recently and the way Muslims are portrayed . I would be interseted in anyone arguing otherwise . Many people on here answer a questions with another question and not answer what was asked . Lets see how people can answer what i have said now .

not sure about i ever saw "Islam is always right" (i think you are referring to Quran is always right thread, but it's completely different)
Muslims don't consider Islam as a superior belief, not more than anyone who believes that his ideology is better than another.
If someone believes another religion is better than his, he's likely to convert to it... right?

I totally agree, this is the MOST stupid thing muslims could done and they did it. Why the fuck do they want to attack the jews?

i d like to clarify something. I thought it was obvious but appearently it's not.

one of the obsessions and complexes of most muslims is that how come the jews can kill so many of them and get away with the support of the international community. Most muslims came to believe that most if not all the western world is controlled and manipulated by jewish lobbies and run by zionists. Mainly because of the US alliance with Israel, and thanx to some effective propaganda.
Don't know if it's true or not, but that's how most muslims think.

So the attack against the jews was the most expected actually, and i was surprized it took so long. Sure it's stupid, but what the hell, world War III will be a religious conflict

 

[Glockmatic]

and the anti semitism continues in the new millenium!

 

[arabic187]

why lol at the article? please explain because i think it makes sense.

First of all I am sure that most of the non Muslims who will read such article will think that the poster has a good knowledge about Islam which is wrong. For example the Saudi Flag. Do you know what is the meaning of the Arabic words that are on the flag? I guess not. What is writing on the flag is something that every Muslim believe in and I am not sure how to translate it correctly but it goes something like this "No God to be but Allah , Mohammad is the Messenger of Allah" So when a Muslim is waving for that flag dosent necessary means that he is supporting Saudi Arabia(You get my point).

About that the Cartoonis was published in September and the actions (Boycott, riots, whatever) started to take action now is simply because first when those cartoonis was published our governments tried to talk to the Danish government but the PM wouldn’t even bother to set down and talk to them. We thought that some kinda action will be taken by the Danish government but nothing was taken. Then in the first day of Eid they published it again in Norway then … …. …. …. You know the rest don’t you?

People couldn’t take it no more and get out of control.

 

[TecK NeeX]

They can draw whatever they want to draw. I doubt you are going to see Jews mob the streets of wherever they live and burn down all the flags of arab countries though.
Like usual, they will bite their teeth and take it in the ass again like they always do when everything is blamed on them.

Thats because there is only 13 million of them in the entire world. We saw over a billion muslims not react at all or reacted peacefully while we saw thousand here and a thousand there react in a violent way. comparing Islams population to the jews, we should see at most 5 jews react in a violent way

Iran just wants to stir up agression towards Israel. They want arab countries behind them as they anxiously await the day they will send missiles into Israel.

Lmao what world are you living in man? Israel threatens Iran with missile strikes on a daily basis, Israel has Infact set up a time on when they're going to launch thier missiles targeting Iran's Nuclear energy plants while you sit there and claim Iran is anxiously waititng for the day to send missiles into israel? It's more like the other way around HA!

So they've gone from "I can't believe they published those cartoons, how disrespectful, this is a blatant attack on the Muslim faith" to "Yeah, well, we can draw offensive cartoons too"?

They're not doing this in revenge, "The Iranian daily Hamshahri said the contest was designed to test the boundaries of free speech -- the reason given by many European newspapers for publishing the cartoons of the Prophet". Does your precious freedom of speech decide for you who to offend and who not to offend? does it matter who you decide to practice your freedom of speech on?

It's pretty obvious they're going to abuse freedom of speech just like the danish news paper did. They picked the holocaust because israel is their # 1 enemy who infact refuses to accept responsibility of many Massacres against muslims by the hands of israelis, they'd pick the danes to insult but there is really nothing to insult them for.

Like most of you have said, you dont agree with the cartoons but thats freedom of speech, it's expected in 'democracies', well Im pretty sure i will disagree with Irans cartoons but thats freedom of speech.

its a shame that Muslims and Islam reads to much into their so called superiority over other religions and faiths and realises that Islam is not always right and that maybe , just maybe other more dignified religions are in turn far superior .

WTF does this have anything to do with the topic of this thread? do you always feel the need to throw in a cheap shot at Islam at the end of every post of yours? Jesus

You're Jewish aren't you? I'm just wondering, you seemed pretty pissed when you quoted that guy with the Iranian article about drawing cartoons about the holocaust

What a dumb idea.

The Danish publish an offensive picture so let's attack the Jews!!

I bet the Jewish show a lot more dignity, than many Muslims have in the same position. Are people that stupid they think attacking another race/religion is going to make people more understanding and destroy the cliches.

Did any of you actually bother to read the damn article? read it and understand why they're doing this, Its not a cycle of 'take this, take that', this is not done in retaliation to the danish cartoons, Its your beloved freedom of speech and freedom to pick on whom ever you want.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Muslim extremists need to learn something from other religions. GET USE TO IT. All religions are made fun of and their rules broken,

Just cause other religions are used to being offended doesn't mean we should to. if one person is used to hearing insults about his mother doesn't mean i have to get used to it as well.

or christians burning down buildings when Jesus is mocked on comedy shows.

Can you really not tell difference between that and the danish cartoons? Are the comedy shows located in a non-christian nation? No, those comedy shows can be found in their own country done by the same race and nationality, when a muslim nation mocks christianity and Jesus you would see demonstrations and protests.