Arab-American woman speaks out on the clash of civilizations

[Jokerman]

if a muslim commits a crime, it's his responsibility, not that of Islam.

Since for a devout Muslim, Islam must inform every dimension of human existence, including politics and law, I think some responsiblity for the actions of any Muslim belongs at the door of Islam

...clearly the truth is that Islam is a religion that teaches a beautiful "submission" to God, becoming close to him on a deeply spiritual, one-on-one level and, as I like to refer to it, keeping him in their hearts at all times.

Islam doesn't "teach" anything. Teachers, or clerics, teach. So they teach submission to God? Fine. And once they've submitted themselves to God, what are they being taught that God wants them to do? Because the Muslim world has no shortage of men and women who are eager to murder infidels, other Muslims, or themselves, for God's sake? So I'm just wondering what the rest of the Islamic curriculum consists of.

 

[LilShOrtiE485]

Lie 1 - She said The prophet was ordered to kill everyong who refused to follow islam

This lady needs to get slapped cuz thats proly the biggest lie ever^. I have a book that tells the life of our prophet Mohammed(p.b.u.h) and it said NOTHING bout him killing anyone who didnt follow islam. Instead people beat him up for following islam and not listening to what they were telling him to do. Dayum

 

[TecK NeeX]

Firstly i will say im not jumping on the band wagon, i have argued very much along the lines of most of what she has said in many arguments with yourself and others so to say im jumping on the band wagon is incorrect . You must know my stand point on these type of arguments by now.

You're not only jumping on the bandwagon but you're driving the damn thing. You as usual continue to refuse to answer my questions. how could you possibly agree with her and ask which part of her absurd claims is a lie when you have no idea if what she's saying is the truth or not?

She is right and thats what you cannot handle , there are big problems in your religion and the Eastern culture and i would respect you more and others if you stood up and admited this

There are ZERO problems with the religion of Islam, however, there are many problems with Muslims. Thats what your pint size brain can't differentiate. You continue to put blame on Islam for whatever Muslims do. i can't help but laugh and shake my head at that, shows me that you're intelligence is that of a size of a mentally challenged individual.

You keep pointing fingers to the west when realy a lot of the problems are at your religions doorstep - woman ARE treated as second class citizens , there ARE people who wrongly kill innocent people in the name of your religion , there IS hatred amoungst islamic followers against anything non-muslim

You keep pointing fingers at Islam when really 100% of the worlds problems are at your societies doorsteps. Women are treated as slaves and animal fuckers, Children are treated as sex toys for older men. Everyone in the west are out on a killing spree in the name of freedom. there IS hatered amongest westerners against anything Islamic.

Let me see if you can reply to that, let me know just how fucking stupid it sounds to you when you read it because thats how stupid and childish what you wrote sounds to me.

No you pick out parts you say are untrue in her argument and attack her on these to side step what she is realy talking about and go back to blaming the West when a lot of her points are against the religion and has nothing to do with the West .
Thats the truth Mr Teck Neex .

So do you agree with me that the 7 or something points i picked out are lies? can u please answer that for me? are they lies or not? dont ignore this question. If you answer yes they are lies i will applaud you for that if you answer NO that would seem alot more obvious than it already is that you're an Islamophobe.

Now im not saying that your religion on the whole is evil and that you are evil but You all seem to be in denial -

Denial that nothing is wrong with the Islamic faith

Yes you did, you're just as bad at lieing as she is. you said Islam is an oppressive religion and that it treats women as second class citizens. so yes you did say Islam as a whole is 'Evil'

Many people in your faith think anything that is considered wrong is ok as long as its in the name of Islam , that anything that is against the name of Islam is wrong and should be punished , Is this the peaceful religion many claim Islam to be ?

Why would you make something up that is totaly untrue and then ask if that is the religion which claims it's peaceful? You know fuck all about Islam so how do you know what islam considers wrong or right? can you name me ONE thing which islam says its ok but in the eyes of many it is wrong? can you answer that as well? dont ignore this!

Now im sure i will be attacked - negative reps the lot but i feel that i have spoken very fairly and given a good opinion regardles if you agree or not .

No worries man no one will attack you, everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion

 

[TecK NeeX]

Since for a devout Muslim, Islam must inform every dimension of human existence, including politics and law, I think some responsiblity for the actions of any Muslim belongs at the door of Islam

If the crime is Islamicaly related you can hold Islam partially responsible, If the crime is against the religion itself i dont see how Islam can be held responsible. Devout or not has nothing to do with it. Im a devout Muslim, If i decided to go out on a raping spree when all my life Islams been teaching me not be involved in such actions how could you possibly blame it for what i did? get real!

Islam doesn't "teach" anything. Teachers, or clerics, teach. So they teach submission to God? .

No a person can be taught Islam by just reading the Qur'an, you dont need a teacher or cleric inorder for you to be taught. So absolutely, Islam teaches every person willing to learn

 

[XIAN]

If Israel could be put on trial, Palestinians and Muslims would not be acceptable witnesses. Instead of blaming the CAUSE, they blamed the effect, or those who carry it out. This is common for people who have been through such tragedies. Now they seek revenge.

You should've said Judaism, and if Judaism could be put on trial, then no, Palestinians would not be acceptable witnesses. As far as Israel, yes, they would be, because they have seen what has been done first hand, and the CAUSE of the Israeli military oppression is that Israel is afraid that Israel would not exist if they don't defend it, and Jews will be without a home. So yeah, Palestine knows the reason why Israel is so oppressive, and they don't find it justified, since Zionism is bullshit to begin with. This woman doesn't understand Islam, and she has distorted it in her mind because of the murder of her friend.

 

[XIAN]

Islam doesn't "teach" anything. Teachers, or clerics, teach. So they teach submission to God? Fine. And once they've submitted themselves to God, what are they being taught that God wants them to do? Because the Muslim world has no shortage of men and women who are eager to murder infidels, other Muslims, or themselves, for God's sake?

When you say "no shortage," you are talking about an extremely small portion of the Islamic community.

"Submission" means that there is a very close, personal relationship with God, and when that relationship was threatened, and Jews or Christians persecuted Muslims (by Israel or US or whoever), they were not going to sit back and watch it dilute. Osama is not killing people because of what Muhammed wrote. He's killing people because he is a warrior, and he will defend his people, his race, his religion, and it's land, against persecution.

The reason Islam and terrorism are linked is geographical. If it was a Muslim Mid-Eastern country that came to the US, and they found a resistance, then it would be a stereotype in the Mid-East that Christianity teaches violence, which is false.

So I'm just wondering what the rest of the Islamic curriculum consists of.

Why don't you? Make it a goal to Palestine or Mecca, and go to the Mosques, and go to the slums, and you will come home with a different perspective, guaranteed.
~peace~

 

[Valeoz]

It seems within the Muslim community, people have created a cult of victimology. With a view of not forging solutions, but to foster and nurture an unfocused brand of resentment and sense of alienation from the mainstream. Adopting victimhood as an identity and neccessarily exaggerating it.

 

[jaimie.uk fan]

TecK NeeX]You're not only jumping on the bandwagon but you're driving the damn thing. You as usual continue to refuse to answer my questions.

I do not like a lot of what your religion brings to the world but what band wagon ?? At least im not be-heading people , blowing up trains and rioting .

how could you possibly agree with her and ask which part of her absurd claims is a lie when you have no idea if what she's saying is the truth or not?

I do agree with her , you said she is a liar and was asking you what part was untrue on the points i highlighted .

There are ZERO problems with the religion of Islam, however, there are many problems with Muslims.

My god you have finaly admited something is wrong with your some of your people instead of always blaming the west or the danish or the sikhs...... your dam right there is a lot wrong my friend , maybe the teachings of your superior religion isnt so great after all .

You keep pointing fingers at Islam when really 100% of the worlds problems are at your societies doorsteps. Women are treated as slaves and animal fuckers, Children are treated as sex toys for older men.

I agree with you there is a lot of problems in the world on the whole but we are talking about religion , i do not see a world wide religion thankfuly in child molesting or animal fuckers , these are crimes commited by individuals they are not commiting these crimes in the name of their belief or praying to the almighty horse shagger are they ?
Once again you point to the west . If you want to start a thread on these subjects then do so , you again when things are brought up against your faith you cannot answer straight away point to the west , every time you do this !
However we are discusing a lady speaking out against a religion a religion where its followers are commiting very bad acts in the name of it .

Everyone in the west are out on a killing spree in the name of freedom. there IS hatered amongest westerners against anything Islamic.

Who is generalising now ? apart from this statement being bollocks I cant speak for all westerners but i didnt give a fuck about muslims until they started killing people in the u.k. , i thought each to there own just like i do with sikhs or whoever .

So do you agree with me that the 7 or something points i picked out are lies? can u please answer that for me? are they lies or not? dont ignore this question. If you answer yes they are lies i will applaud you for that if you answer NO that would seem alot more obvious than it already is that you're an Islamophobe.

I cant remember saying they were true maybe they are maybe there not a lot of what she does speak of is true though , and i do remember saying you pick out things that you thought untrue to side step other points which are true . so answer me this -

What are your thoughts on her opinions on suppresion of muslim woman - do you think she spoke the truth ? ( and do not point to western woman as your excuse )

can you name me ONE thing which islam says its ok but in the eyes of many it is wrong? can you answer that as well? dont ignore this!

Jihad seems wrong to me , obviously not to those phsyco
" Brothers " of yours.

We can argue all night pick apart each others arguments but im going out to enjoy myself - Have a nice evening yourself Mr teek Neex

 

[Duke]

let's agree to disagree. I've got a feeling you two are debating alongside each other.

 

[TecK NeeX]

Jihad seems wrong to me

Im gonna have to agree with duke that we should end this since it's not going anywhere, my fire power doesn't seem capable of penetrating your ignorance, you're freaking made out of ignorance. seriously. but the main reason why i wanna end this discussion is because of that quote of yours above. Lets be real here a damn dog knows the real definition of Jihad by now, and a western dog at that. however, it's seems very clear to me that you dont. WoW

 

[Glockmatic]

I don't get it, you keep saying "don't generalize muslims" yet you generalize all westerners as a bunch of pigs. You live in Canada, do you hate everyone around you?

 

[Duke]

Im gonna have to agree with duke that we should end this since it's not going anywhere, my fire power doesn't seem capable of penetrating your ignorance, you're freaking made out of ignorance. seriously. but the main reason why i wanna end this discussion is because of that quote of yours above. Lets be real here a damn dog knows the real definition of Jihad by now, and a western dog at that. however, it's seems very clear to me that you dont. WoW

It's not a matter of ignorance, but more than that you two don't seem to converse with eachother rather than alongside each other. Y'all keep rehashing the same points over and over without either side actually going into what was said, getting stuck into technicalities without viewing the main point.

 

[TecK NeeX]

I don't get it, you keep saying "don't generalize muslims" yet you generalize all westerners as a bunch of pigs. You live in Canada, do you hate everyone around you?

Ive never Generalized all westerners. Never!. Christ do you people read what ive been trying to say at all? Ive only generalized when it had to come down to it to show him just how stupid it sounds when he holds all muslims accountable for what a few idiots do. you along side Jamie should take reading lessons.

 

[TecK NeeX]

It's not a matter of ignorance, but more than that you two don't seem to converse with eachother rather than alongside each other. Y'all keep rehashing the same points over and over without either side actually going into what was said, getting stuck into technicalities without viewing the main point.

Yeah that goes for the majority of the users in WOW, including you and especially Jokerman

 

[Jokerman]

:horny:

 

[Glockmatic]

Ive never Generalized all westerners. Never!. Christ do you people read what ive been trying to say at all? Ive only generalized when it had to come down to it to show him just how stupid it sounds when he holds all muslims accountable for what a few idiots do. you along side Jamie should take reading lessons.

actually I haven't read any of the long posts in this thread, i've skimmed through. Judging by other peoples posts, its the same crap like the other threads before

 

[TecK NeeX]

^ oh I wouldn't be surprised



http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/15/childporn.arrests/index.html

OMG look what the west is responsible for, After this i now believe every individual who is from the west is a low life fucking pedophile, I wanna go on a generalizing spree. Western societies are good for nothing but producing child pornography, sick fuckers. They oppress children and make them live in the "dark ages" as jamie said. also in the words of Wafa, the west needs to stop treating children like beasts and sex toys.

brought to you by an Arab-Canadian who is brave enough to speak out against the clash of western adults and western children

Let the death threats roll in

Lmao apparently a couple of users took this post of mine seriously as if i meant all this and negative repped me.. hahahaha!

 

[TecK NeeX]

No, we are at war with Islam. It may not serve our immediate foreign policy objectives for our political leaders to openly acknowledge this, but it is certainly so.

Who started this war between you and Islam? who instigated it? if thats who you're at war with than doesnt that make Osamas fatwa and motives behind his 'Outer Jihad" against the west to be true and justifiable? was there this much animosity and hate for the west in the hearts of many Muslims before the west established hundreds of foreign military bases in the "lands of Muhammed (p)" to put it in Osamas words? i dont think so. If you're at war with Islam than these so called Extremists have every right to to fight this war that you have declared on them.

Islam is undeniably a religion of conquest

Depends on the method of conquest you're refering to.

is one in which all infidels have been converted to Islam, subjugated, or killed. The tenets of Islam simply do not admit of anything but a temporary sharing of power with the "enemies of God."

That's absolutely not true, we can look at the Muslim conquest of Spain for example to rebuke this myth. Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 800 years. During this time, and up to when they were finally forced out, the non-Muslims there were alive and flourishing. Also, Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries.

Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan all have Christian and/or Jewish populations. If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long in the middle of the Islamic 'Empire'?

The Qur'an makes it loud and clear "let there be no compulsion in religion"

Historian De Lacy O' Leary said it best: "History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted."

For all the mitigating talk about jihad meaning inner struggle, no amount of side-stepping can diguise the fact that the outer jihad--war against infidels and apostates-is a central feature of the faith.

Yes the outer struggle you're refering to is a central feature of Islam but it applies only to Qur'anic verses such as the one that reads "Fight those who fight against you but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. "

The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle, i.e. if an army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context.

Muslims NEVER called for an 'Outer Struggle' in an offensive battle.

 

[Duke]

Yeah that goes for the majority of the users in WOW, including you and especially Jokerman

lmao, yeah we're soooooo biased as bunch of atheists, eh?

you want me to get biased? how about this one:

One of the main problems with todays Islamic culture is the over extent of self-victimization

 

[Jokerman]

:horny: