the difference between rappers and mc's
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You have a whole bunch of over the hill or never made it rappers who call themselves MC's and use it as a reason as to why they never made it or are not relevant anymore, because according to what they say being an MC as apposed to a rapper is staying true to the art of Hip-Hop where as rappers sell out, or some bullshit like that.
In regards to an actual profession, a rapper is somebody who makes rap music, and an MC is somebody who accompanies a DJ at a club or a party hyping the crowd to whatever the DJ is spinning which is not the MCs own music. Any rapper can MC at a party, but not every MC will make a successful rapper.
In regards to an actual profession, a rapper is somebody who makes rap music, and an MC is somebody who accompanies a DJ at a club or a party hyping the crowd to whatever the DJ is spinning which is not the MCs own music. Any rapper can MC at a party, but not every MC will make a successful rapper.
It is, it is total bullshit. KRS makes it seem like an MC is a fucking Jedi or something.
News flash, KRS One makes rap music, he is a rapper, just like Biggie, Pac, Nas, Jay Z, Common, or whoever else makes a rap music.
Not to mention the fact that he contradicts himself, he's also said Hip-Hop is something you live, rap is something you do. So he is a rapper. Lyrical content does not make you a rapper or an MC, its not some Jedi vs. Sith thing like he would love us all to believe. Illegal rhymes do not make one a rapper and uplifting rhymes do not make one an MC. KRS One is just another rapper with an opinion.
In regards to making music, a rapper and an MC are the same thing. MC So and So who makes his own rap music is a rapper, MC Shan for example is a rapper.
The only time you can find a difference in the term is in regards to profession, an MC hypes the crowd for a DJ at clubs to other peoples music, a rapper raps his own songs, a rapper can be an MC pretty easily, but not every MC can be a rapper.
KRS ONE's statement and MC pedestal is just bullshit. Its like saying that when Pac rhymes about something uplifting he is MCing but when he spits something street he is rapping. That is proposterus, and in my opinion only an idiot would buy into his biased self contradicting preachy bullshit.
News flash, KRS One makes rap music, he is a rapper, just like Biggie, Pac, Nas, Jay Z, Common, or whoever else makes a rap music.
Not to mention the fact that he contradicts himself, he's also said Hip-Hop is something you live, rap is something you do. So he is a rapper. Lyrical content does not make you a rapper or an MC, its not some Jedi vs. Sith thing like he would love us all to believe. Illegal rhymes do not make one a rapper and uplifting rhymes do not make one an MC. KRS One is just another rapper with an opinion.
In regards to making music, a rapper and an MC are the same thing. MC So and So who makes his own rap music is a rapper, MC Shan for example is a rapper.
The only time you can find a difference in the term is in regards to profession, an MC hypes the crowd for a DJ at clubs to other peoples music, a rapper raps his own songs, a rapper can be an MC pretty easily, but not every MC can be a rapper.
KRS ONE's statement and MC pedestal is just bullshit. Its like saying that when Pac rhymes about something uplifting he is MCing but when he spits something street he is rapping. That is proposterus, and in my opinion only an idiot would buy into his biased self contradicting preachy bullshit.
Classic was in regards to the song title, whatever though.
I think, I think we are talkin two different definitions of MC, you feel me on that? Imma say MC is thought of differently in the Hip-Hop world compared to what you are saying. You're pretty much saying a hype-man is an MC, which he is. But to me, a hype-man is not an MC know what I mean?
And nooooo KRS-ONE is not just another rapper.
I think, I think we are talkin two different definitions of MC, you feel me on that? Imma say MC is thought of differently in the Hip-Hop world compared to what you are saying. You're pretty much saying a hype-man is an MC, which he is. But to me, a hype-man is not an MC know what I mean?
And nooooo KRS-ONE is not just another rapper.
I agreed, the song is classic, the line is still bullshit.
In regards to what you are saying, there is no difference between an MC and a rapper in the hip-hop sense that I know you are refereeing to, and the only difference can be found in the club party sense, which is what I was explaining.
Like I said, if KRS was right, and there is a difference, and it is what he is saying, when Nas, Common, Pac, Biggie, WHOEVER, rap something uplifting its MCing but when they rap something street its rapping? That doesnt make sense, it is ALWAYS rapping, regardless of the lyrical content or message, so they are always rappers, because what they do, is rap.
And like I said, even KRS contradicted himself. KRS always talks shit to somehow make himself seem special and set himself apart from other rappers. At the end of the day dude proved he was just jealous of other peoples success when he decided to beef with Nelly.
I really dislike KRS, I think he is the biggest hypocrite in Hip-Hop, for this arguments reason, and for his constant hate on anything remotely commercial when during his prime he was the most commercial rapper out, he even had a Sprite advertising deal, and one with Nike as well. And now that he isnt relevant in mainstream culture anymore he is trying to spear head the underground movement by trying to set himself apart as an MC from all these rappers by creating fake definitions and applying them to himself even though they contradict what he's done and said before.
KRS-One is like the politician of Hip-Hop.
I guess I should have said I don't think there is a differnece between rapper and MC in the sense I'm referring to, cus I don't see a difference. KRS may be wrong or right, he still makes a point with the line, whether you agree or not is up to the listener. Contradicting himself yeah, who doesn't though. You're almost supposed to contradict yourself, shows growth.
KRS is special though, if he wants to hold himself in high regard i'm cool with it, he earned it. As far as Nelly goes, I don't know the reasoning for KRS personally but I don't think it was cus he is jealous of his shine. You'd think he would have gone after 50 or Jay or someone if that was the case, not saying Nelly isn't successful either.
KRS is special though, if he wants to hold himself in high regard i'm cool with it, he earned it. As far as Nelly goes, I don't know the reasoning for KRS personally but I don't think it was cus he is jealous of his shine. You'd think he would have gone after 50 or Jay or someone if that was the case, not saying Nelly isn't successful either.
Rukas, as far as definitions and practicality are concerned, you're generally on point. I think you miss where KRS is trying to get with the line though.
I think he is trying to associate the term MC with rappers who make hip-hop music--rap with cultural significance or roots--as opposed to rappers who just rap. Now what qualifies as hip-hop music is largely subjective and opinionated, but there is a difference. For instance, Rakim is a hip-hop artist whereas Soulja Boy is just a rapper -- there is nothing cultural about cumming on women's backs and using it as an adhesive for your bedsheets. In that sense, I believe KRS would call Rakim and MC and Soulja Boy a rapper, and in that sense, there is a difference that is drawn using those labels.
I think he is trying to associate the term MC with rappers who make hip-hop music--rap with cultural significance or roots--as opposed to rappers who just rap. Now what qualifies as hip-hop music is largely subjective and opinionated, but there is a difference. For instance, Rakim is a hip-hop artist whereas Soulja Boy is just a rapper -- there is nothing cultural about cumming on women's backs and using it as an adhesive for your bedsheets. In that sense, I believe KRS would call Rakim and MC and Soulja Boy a rapper, and in that sense, there is a difference that is drawn using those labels.
AmerikazMost I just cant agree. The idea that quality of content is the key to belonging to any culture is just insane to me. It's like (if they were alive at the same time) Di Vinci telling Picaso that he wasnt a real painter because his style was different.
Rakim raps, he is a rapper, or an MC, whatever you want to call it. So is Soulja Boy, as crap as he is, he is still a rapper and still part of the Hip-Hop culture and if that is what KRS One says is an MC than Soulja Boy is an MC. He IS part of the Hip-Hop culture, the quality of his music or your (or KRS') personal taste is irrelevant.
Even Rakim drops bullshit themed lyrics sometimes, does that mean he isnt always an MC?
Was Rakim just a rapper when he spat "Chicks moan just to get next to my throne, and sniff my cologne and get Ra alone, sex spot's at home, I'm testosterone, caress spots, stress drops, bedrock's the bone?"
Or if rapping about illegal activities makes one less than an MC I guess Rakim is less than an MC based on these lyrics:
" Uh, yeah yo, I used to paint this flow, on ancient scrolls
And learn ta, make this dough, where gangstas roll
Think like the late great Capone when the bank is closed
It's cats that claim they bold, but they ain't this cold
I'm from New York City even pretty chicks act up
Niggas get clapped up, you stack up, they stick that up
Put the strap up, you think my name was "Kid back up"
Big niggas (spittin' noise) pick that up, or lift that up
Raised by gangstas and gamblers, hustlers, con artists
And convicts, killers and dons
Drug dealers, playas and pimps, smooth talkers
Stick up kids, thugs, real niggas and gods
Haunted by every soul that lay dead in the turf
Close by every spirit, that never made it to birth
Since the Moon separated from Earth
That's why they say I'm the greatest that ever orchestrated a verse
It's the..."
Rakim raps, he is a rapper, or an MC, whatever you want to call it. So is Soulja Boy, as crap as he is, he is still a rapper and still part of the Hip-Hop culture and if that is what KRS One says is an MC than Soulja Boy is an MC. He IS part of the Hip-Hop culture, the quality of his music or your (or KRS') personal taste is irrelevant.
Even Rakim drops bullshit themed lyrics sometimes, does that mean he isnt always an MC?
Was Rakim just a rapper when he spat "Chicks moan just to get next to my throne, and sniff my cologne and get Ra alone, sex spot's at home, I'm testosterone, caress spots, stress drops, bedrock's the bone?"
Or if rapping about illegal activities makes one less than an MC I guess Rakim is less than an MC based on these lyrics:
" Uh, yeah yo, I used to paint this flow, on ancient scrolls
And learn ta, make this dough, where gangstas roll
Think like the late great Capone when the bank is closed
It's cats that claim they bold, but they ain't this cold
I'm from New York City even pretty chicks act up
Niggas get clapped up, you stack up, they stick that up
Put the strap up, you think my name was "Kid back up"
Big niggas (spittin' noise) pick that up, or lift that up
Raised by gangstas and gamblers, hustlers, con artists
And convicts, killers and dons
Drug dealers, playas and pimps, smooth talkers
Stick up kids, thugs, real niggas and gods
Haunted by every soul that lay dead in the turf
Close by every spirit, that never made it to birth
Since the Moon separated from Earth
That's why they say I'm the greatest that ever orchestrated a verse
It's the..."
You trying to tell me Ice Mike ain't hip-hop?
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I don't think just because you do something that happens to be an aspect of a culture makes you a part of that culture. I'm dating a Chinese girl, I eat Chinese food, I take an interest in Chinese politics, but I am by no means part of the Chinese culture. I know a guy who likes to wear a kilt sometimes--doesn't mean he's Scottish. Soulja Boy raps. So what? My grandmother could rap if she wanted to.
That said, I'm not necessarily saying I agree with KRS one, but I do understand where he is coming from. There is a lot of gray area. For instance, the Rakim example you brought up. Though if you remember, he got a lot of flack for that song and all but said it was a mistake for him to do it.
Some sick lyrics in that song nevertheless lol
Edit: Oh, and I think if you're going to try to apply KRS-One's idea, you have to use all or a large sampling of an artist's work in order to judge on those merits.
That said, I'm not necessarily saying I agree with KRS one, but I do understand where he is coming from. There is a lot of gray area. For instance, the Rakim example you brought up. Though if you remember, he got a lot of flack for that song and all but said it was a mistake for him to do it.
Some sick lyrics in that song nevertheless lol
Edit: Oh, and I think if you're going to try to apply KRS-One's idea, you have to use all or a large sampling of an artist's work in order to judge on those merits.
I understand what you are saying perfectly, I am in a similar situation, I even now consider myself Christian-Buddhist, I use natural Chinese medicine, I love Asian cuisine, and I do Tai Chi and Wing Chun several times a week. But the difference is that the Chinese culture has a lot of stipulations on it regarding membership, for example, one must actually be Chinese. There is no such thing as a Hip-Hop race, and even KRS states that the elements of Hip-Hop are rapping, DJing, Breaking, beatboxing and graffiti. Therefore anyone doing any of those elements is a part of that culture.
Unlike being Chinese or Scottish you cant be born into the Hip-Hop culture, therefore it is a lifestyle you live, and Soulja Boy, regardless of the quality of his music, participates in the culture and lives the lifestyle by what he does and the way he dresses and what he surrounds himself in.
If that is the case how can we judge Soulja Boy now when the majority of his work hasnt been released? Or how could KRS have judged Nelly? Perhaps both will become social rappers in the future.
I just think KRSOne's idea is biased, wrong, hypocritical, and flawed on so many levels it shouldnt be taken seriously by anybody.
Unlike being Chinese or Scottish you cant be born into the Hip-Hop culture, therefore it is a lifestyle you live, and Soulja Boy, regardless of the quality of his music, participates in the culture and lives the lifestyle by what he does and the way he dresses and what he surrounds himself in.
If that is the case how can we judge Soulja Boy now when the majority of his work hasnt been released? Or how could KRS have judged Nelly? Perhaps both will become social rappers in the future.
I just think KRSOne's idea is biased, wrong, hypocritical, and flawed on so many levels it shouldnt be taken seriously by anybody.
In my opinion Hip-Hop culture is almost like a religion because there is no Hip-Hop race, it is just a lifestyle and what we do. There are good members and bad members, but they are part of the culture none the less. In the same way, there are good Christians and bad Christians, good Muslims and bad Muslims, but they are all Christian or Muslim regardless of the quality of their actions.
When I go to Church I see people praying sitting down, people praying standing up, people on their knees. People holding the bible, people holding rosary beads, people with their hands and fingers together or their fingers pointing outwards, but they are all still Christian. People will take communion, people wont. People live good lives outside of Church, others gossip and are sinners, but they are all still Christian.
The same goes for Hip-Hop, there are different styles and different degrees of skill and dedication, but it is all still Hip-Hop.
When I go to Church I see people praying sitting down, people praying standing up, people on their knees. People holding the bible, people holding rosary beads, people with their hands and fingers together or their fingers pointing outwards, but they are all still Christian. People will take communion, people wont. People live good lives outside of Church, others gossip and are sinners, but they are all still Christian.
The same goes for Hip-Hop, there are different styles and different degrees of skill and dedication, but it is all still Hip-Hop.
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