Film & TV The Dark Knight
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Also, NO ONE is going to even attempt to fill Heath Ledger's shoes, which is why if they make a thrid one, they won't include Joker in it, there's no way.
And DP, fuck you. Nicholson's Joker is like you're creepy, pedrass Uncle. I hope Nicholson saw this, he probably had a stroke.
And yeah, even Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent deserves Oscar consideration, but he'll get over shadowed by Ledger.
Oscar noms for:
Best Supporting actor: Ledger and Eckhart
Best Screenplay: The Nolan bros.
Best Cinematography: Wally Pfister
Best Director: Chris Nolan
Best Picture
It deserves all of those. Amazing movie, that lived up to the hype that shit of a movie called Spider-Man 3 couldn't.
And DP, fuck you. Nicholson's Joker is like you're creepy, pedrass Uncle. I hope Nicholson saw this, he probably had a stroke.
And yeah, even Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent deserves Oscar consideration, but he'll get over shadowed by Ledger.
Oscar noms for:
Best Supporting actor: Ledger and Eckhart
Best Screenplay: The Nolan bros.
Best Cinematography: Wally Pfister
Best Director: Chris Nolan
Best Picture
It deserves all of those. Amazing movie, that lived up to the hype that shit of a movie called Spider-Man 3 couldn't.
i don't think you can really compare Nicholson's Joker to Ledger's Joker. the fundamental differences between them (and their respective movies) is this. the 1989 Batman was like a comic book come to life, and Jack's Joker was in that vein, over the top crazy, comic-book crazy. to me, it seems that Batman Begins/The Dark Knight movies are like, what would happen if Batman was real and not just a comic book hero? what would Batman be like if he were here in the real world? or worse, what would his foes be like? Ledger's Joker was played in that vein, a much more sadistic psychopath. i think they both did great jobs playing their respective Jokers, but even though it's the same character, it's really not, so i don't think comparisons are really valid (even if they are inevitable).
loved the movie tho. man that was a fast 2 1/2 hours, definitely the best Batman movie yet. but it is certainly not for kids. i'm actually surprised this got away with a PG-13 rating.
loved the movie tho. man that was a fast 2 1/2 hours, definitely the best Batman movie yet. but it is certainly not for kids. i'm actually surprised this got away with a PG-13 rating.
^i'm hesitating between the story with his drunk father or the story of his wife loll
oh and i was a little surprised that they killed off harvey dent, i thought they would have kept him and give him a bigger storyline in the next movie.
now i wonder who's going to be the villains in the next one. they can't make the joker come back because ledger is no more (R.I.P.) (which kinda sucks cause we know the ending was open for that)
oh and i was a little surprised that they killed off harvey dent, i thought they would have kept him and give him a bigger storyline in the next movie.
now i wonder who's going to be the villains in the next one. they can't make the joker come back because ledger is no more (R.I.P.) (which kinda sucks cause we know the ending was open for that)
LOL @ Eckhart for Oscar.
He's not even close to deserving that. All the way till his face gets burnt, he plays his typical typecasted role. See 'Thank you for Smoking' and you'll notice the same cocky-arrogance spin doctor like attitude. He didn't do anything new there. As 2 face, some parts were ok, but he didn't wooo me.
Only person that should be considered for an Oscar is Heath Ledger. He changed everything in that role. What we thought of the Joker, he took it, mutilated it, and transformed it 200 times more into a monster he originally was in the comics.
He's not even close to deserving that. All the way till his face gets burnt, he plays his typical typecasted role. See 'Thank you for Smoking' and you'll notice the same cocky-arrogance spin doctor like attitude. He didn't do anything new there. As 2 face, some parts were ok, but he didn't wooo me.
Only person that should be considered for an Oscar is Heath Ledger. He changed everything in that role. What we thought of the Joker, he took it, mutilated it, and transformed it 200 times more into a monster he originally was in the comics.
This statement is wrong in so many ways. The Batman comics were dark, not "over-the-top loony." The Joker is supposed to be a homicidal maniac who is amorally crazy. Ledger was perfect.
The new Batman series is 1000000000000000000000 times better at representing the comic books than anything I've ever seen from the old movies.
The new Batman series is 1000000000000000000000 times better at representing the comic books than anything I've ever seen from the old movies.
^ a couple of CAM leaks are out but I doubt it's worth the trouble. They are shit quality.
VCD Quality
I think it'll take a few weeks until we get a decent (watchable) leak.
VCD Quality
I think it'll take a few weeks until we get a decent (watchable) leak.
you didn't get what i was trying to say. are you telling me that in the comic books the Joker wasn't over the top? dude, i've read the comics, the Joker was over the top crazy in so many ways. dark yes, and Nicholson added that bit of darkness to it but they weren't going for scary dark because the comics weren't THAT dark. Heath's Joker was darker than i ever remember the Joker being from the comics.
but the point is in the director's visions for the film. when i say that the 89 Batman was more like the comic books coming to life, i don't mean the way the characters were represented based on the comics. i know they changed a lot of the mythology from the comics. but the way Burton shot the movie, it didn't seem real, it felt like watching a comic book come to life. whereas the Batman Begins/Dark Knight series seems to be based more in real life, the characters seem much more realistic, and Ledger's portrayal accurately reflects that. in short, i think both actors perfectly represented what was needed of the character for their respective movies. but that is just my opinion.
but the point is in the director's visions for the film. when i say that the 89 Batman was more like the comic books coming to life, i don't mean the way the characters were represented based on the comics. i know they changed a lot of the mythology from the comics. but the way Burton shot the movie, it didn't seem real, it felt like watching a comic book come to life. whereas the Batman Begins/Dark Knight series seems to be based more in real life, the characters seem much more realistic, and Ledger's portrayal accurately reflects that. in short, i think both actors perfectly represented what was needed of the character for their respective movies. but that is just my opinion.
I get what Devious is saying. In the end, I prefer the Nolan version for the exact reasons Devious stated. The eternal problem I have had with all comic book adaptations is that they were
1. corny
2. childish
3. plot sucked so action sequences took front stage
Nolan's Batman series aren't corny or childish, and although the film does have some sick action sequences like the tunnel chase, I don't think they overshadowed the plot and the story.
1. corny
2. childish
3. plot sucked so action sequences took front stage
Nolan's Batman series aren't corny or childish, and although the film does have some sick action sequences like the tunnel chase, I don't think they overshadowed the plot and the story.
You do realize that the comics were made more friendly in the 60's after the Comics code Authority was established? The original Joker was as dark as he was over-the-top. He basically disappeared in the Batman comics for a period because the shift away from the less dark character ruined him, in a way.
Realism isn't a bad thing, either. Part of the beauty of Batman is that he doesn't exist outside the realm of possibility. He's not some hulking green giant. He's a man with determination, will, and some nice fighting skills. The realer the better, IMO.
If I wanted to watch a comic, I'd watch a full-feature cartoon movie.
Realism isn't a bad thing, either. Part of the beauty of Batman is that he doesn't exist outside the realm of possibility. He's not some hulking green giant. He's a man with determination, will, and some nice fighting skills. The realer the better, IMO.
If I wanted to watch a comic, I'd watch a full-feature cartoon movie.
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