Wu-Tang Vs. RZA "You Dont Rob Your Friends... You Might As Well Be Pimpin Me" Says Ra

THEV1LL4N

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#1
Raekwon is so unhappy with Rza's direction for the new Wu-Tang Clan album that he threatened to release another Wu album without fellow member Rza.



In a recent interview with Hip-Hop personality Miss Info, Rae said that he and the other members of Wu are very unhappy with Rza's heavy guitar-layden beats on the group's upcoming comeback disc, 8 Diagrams. So much so that they will come out with a follow-up album if changes aren't made to this one, or of it's not permanently shelved.

"Rza's tryin' to create too much of a orchestra, piano ...he's trying to do too much of this guitar shit like he got a guitar on his fucking back," Raekwon said. "We don't want that and the fans don't know us for that."

Rae said the rift began with musical critiques by the group members of Rza's new sound.

"This is a new sound trust me, I know where I'm at and I'm the Rza, just trust me,'" Rae said Rza told the group. "No, we're not trusting you because we're not walkin' outta the studio happy. It's his vibe. He's like a hip-hop hippie right now."

After much back and forth, According to Raekwon, Rza still refused to change the music.

"Now it's to the point where it's like, Yo B, I'm not havin it ... I'm not cosigning that," Rae said. "If you got seven or eight brothers telling you blah, blah, blah, you gotta take heed to that. You been out-voted, B."

But at this point, the group is already over budget and the album is pretty much finished. Though Rae said nobody's happy with the project except Rza, it looks like it will hit the street as is. If that happens, Rae said he and the other members will release Shaolin vs Wutang, a response album without Rza.

"We gotta strike back with something right away to let them know we wasn't in agreement with that," Raekwon said. "If this album sucks around and goes that way, its gonna be a big shock to the game."

Whether the artistic differences get settled before the album is pressed or not, Rae said the money situation needs to be set straight.

"Don't play with a grown man's pocket, B." Raekwon said. "At the end of the day, you may have felt like you put millions in a nigga's pocket. We appreciate it, but you know what? Don't ever let a nigga feel like you stealin' from him or you takin' something from him or you bein' sneaky and you can't show and prove certain things."

Raekwon wasn't specific about the allegations of money mismanagement, but he as much as called Rza a thief.

"Don't rob me and be my friend," he said. "I ain't with that. You don't rob your friends," Rae said. "You might as well be pimpin' me or something. You ain't payin' me ... you ain't keeping me fresh."
 

masta247

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#2
Damn! Is that real? What's the source?

I don't believe it. Rae and RZA are 2 of my favorite wu members along with Meth.
I think whatever RZA decided to do it's gonna be good. He's one of the best producers and he never let me down.
He did that orchestra thing on "afro samurai" and it was dope.
But on the other hand I like that original plain and simple wu-tang style. It should be balanced but on the other hand it should evolve.

I think he said too much when he said Rza is a thief.
I wonder why he did that.
I hope that's just because he's mad - he wanted that album to sound his way but it didn't
 

Casey

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#3
Fuck Raekwon, he hasn't made anything decent since "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx".

Whatsa matter Rae, you can't handle some real instrumentation?

RZA is gonna bring the heat and "8 Diagrams" is gonna be fire.

A wu-tang album without RZA? Fuck that with a stick. There's certain Wu members that are indispensable - RZA, Meth, Ghostface, GZA, at a stretch even Rebel INS......but not Raekwon.
 
#4
im gonna have to agree with raekwon. i like what rza's tryin to do but if everybody else is disagreeing then it should be a group decision on what to put out for the fans. it should not be all rza's decision. wu-tang is a group not an entity.
 

Rukas

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#5
This is some bullshit.

As an artist, if you dont like the beat, dont step into the booth! You cant record an album and then bitch about the production after you've laced 12 tracks. You knew what it was going into it.
 

ARon

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#7
I don't understand why people are dissin Raekwon at this moment. Ruk brings up the only point with some truth to it. Seems like there is some interior difficulties goin on with the Wu, some ego problems. Looks to be startin with Ghost and then Rae comes out and says this and it makes sense, since the two are pretty much hand in hand. Still, Miss Info....can't trust it yet.
 

linx

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#8
Fuck Raekwon, he hasn't made anything decent since "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx".

Whatsa matter Rae, you can't handle some real instrumentation?

RZA is gonna bring the heat and "8 Diagrams" is gonna be fire.

A wu-tang album without RZA? Fuck that with a stick. There's certain Wu members that are indispensable - RZA, Meth, Ghostface, GZA, at a stretch even Rebel INS......but not Raekwon.
That's his best album. And he has dropped good stuff since then. I agree with Rae on this, but I also agree with what Rukas said. He shouldn't have recorded the songs if he didn't like the beats. The indispensable thing is ridiculous though. You're over-doing it. Stop.
 

Casey

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#10
That's his best album. And he has dropped good stuff since then. I agree with Rae on this, but I also agree with what Rukas said. He shouldn't have recorded the songs if he didn't like the beats. The indispensable thing is ridiculous though. You're over-doing it. Stop.
I know it's his best album, he hasn't dropped jack worth listening to since then, "Immobilarity" was straight garbage, and the ONLY track worth anything on "lex diamond story" was that "clientele kids" joint with fat joe.

I'm not over-doing it, you'd seriously rather have a Wu album with Raekwon than RZA?

If you had to pick Wu members to be on the album, I'd put nearly ALL of them above Raekwon.

Although, I do believe he can redeem himself with Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II.
 

Sarr

Wishes he was on probation
#11
thats crazy man, U-God is by far the worst rapper in the clan...

Rae is a good rapper, mad voice and flow, hardcore lyrics too
i mean they should put the bullshit aside and just make good albums

i do think raekwon is in the wrong here though, he should keep all this bullshit within the fam and not go public with it
 

7 Syns

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#13
oh well, this was always gonna happen. best not even release the album this year if all this madness & internal fighting is happening instead just keep recording and release it next year when everyone is in the zone and feeling everything bout this record/album. rza should just keep the tracks rae/ghost ain't feeling and drop 'em onto his cure cd...

peac3.
 

Casey

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#14
how can you say some of them are dispensible man? Wu Tang is a group consisting of all those people mentioned. Anything else is not Wu Tang.
By that definition it's not Wu-Tang then since ODB is dead.

I'm just saying if you HAD to choose wu members that you'd rather hear less of on a wu album, i'd choose raekwon and masta killa.
 

linx

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how can you say some of them are dispensible man? Wu Tang is a group consisting of all those people mentioned. Anything else is not Wu Tang.
Agreed. Obviously ODB died and there's nothing that anyone can do about that. He wasn't a good rapper, but he was that crazy dude in the group. Everyone in Wu-Tang is important to me. The fact that someone is saying they could hear a Wu album without Raekwon makes me wanna smash my head against the wall. That shit's ridiculous. And no, i'm not saying i'd like one without Rza either.
 
#16
i agree...wu-tang aint wu-tang without one of its members. and just because odb died doesnt mean there's no wu-tang anymore, its just a tragic loss but the show must go on. its not like they kicked him out or nothin. and for whoever said immobilarity was garbage youre insane. and also his vatican mixtapes are ridiculous.
 

masta247

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#17
I don't believe some things that had been said here.

Raekwon is one of the best wu-tang mcs and one of the best mcs in the game.
Probably only Meth has better flow than him.
RZA is one of the best producers in the game so this conflict is like - one of the best mcs vs. one of the best producers.

btw. somebody said Immobilarity was wack. Damn I don't believe it - it was a classic to me. One of my favorite hip-hop albums.

I agree that U-god is the wackest out there now, only ODB was worse, then there's Ghostface.
Raekwon, Meth, Deck and Masta killah are the dopest mcs out there IMO. GZA and RZA are a bit worse but also dope lyrically.
 
#18
.. ok hold up first of all, Rae is not one of the top emcees out right now. So no I dont think its one of the best emcees vs one of the best producers...

I'm not disagreeing with ppl sayin U-God's wack, But Ghostface? Have u lost ur mind or have u just not heard the brotha spit? and c'mon how can u call ODB the worst member, dudes style was untouchable. No he wasnt a lyrical genius, but its tru what they said about dirty, there was no father to his style, and I dont think theres a human on the planet that can duplicate that style.

But watever all that sit about who the best member is and who's despenable is besides the point. Although I dont think any of em are, they all bring something to the table that makes Wu wat it is today.

like Rukas mentioned, if Rae wasn't feeling the terms, he shoulda never stepped in the booth. One of the things Rza was saying that surprised him was that this was the first album since 36 chambers that everyone agreed to do without an advance without any complaints.

And now that some things arent going as planned dudes are starting to bitch about the terms. I dont disagree with Rae, but I do think he should've addressed these things waayy earlier.

And the way I've looked at the Wu all my life has been that Rza was the direction for wu, and dudes matured alot musically and wants to compose the best piece of art he can. You cant take that away from a producer. You cant just tell him to limit his creativity and vision, same way as a producer cant tell a rapper to change up his style for him.

Anyways who know's.. I'm sure the story's much deeper than this. And our speculations and opinions wont really change much. I just hope they hit us with the best effort they got, and do whatever makes them happy
 

Sarr

Wishes he was on probation
#19
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agree with alot of what you said..whoever says ghostface killa is one of the worst wu MC's obviously hasnt listened to any of his albums

and and yea...every member brings something unique to the table..even U-God is unique because he is so aweful..every group needs a weak link i guess
 

masta247

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#20
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agree with alot of what you said..whoever says ghostface killa is one of the worst wu MC's obviously hasnt listened to any of his albums

and and yea...every member brings something unique to the table..even U-God is unique because he is so aweful..every group needs a weak link i guess
I listened too all ghostface albums. At some time I was even fascinated with his music on "Supreme clientele". I'm a big Wu-tang fan but Ghost totally bores me. I like maybe 1 out of his 20 tracks but there are also albums that don't have 1 good track. It's not that he's bad as mc but come on.. if I had to choose he's the third wackest rapper out there after u-god and odb. It doesn't mean he's bad overall but tell me, who is worse there?

Also Raekwon IS one of the best mc's alive as well as most other wu-tang members. They are lyrical geniuses

ODB is unique and all that but he's just wack and I'm sure many people will agree.
 

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