Lets talk about Jay's past
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i think when it comes down to these type of things you can either call them a studio gangster or give them the benefit of the doubt. i mean really what kind of evidence does a person need in order to prove that their favorite rapper was criminal? a conviction? a career worth of convictions?
has he really given us, the fans, any reason not to believe him?
has he really given us, the fans, any reason not to believe him?
I don't recall anybody "pulling his card". I don't think Mobb Deep did, although I'm sure they would have since he called one of them out on the ballerina pictures. I mean, dealing drugs is nothing, really. Anybody can and in those days when he was a youngster, which were mid-eighties and early nineties, I wouldn't doubt that a black kid in Brooklyn wasn't dealing drugs.
Seems like Jay and his crew were more than just dealing drugs. I mean, theres stories of Jay, before he was famous, hitting New York clubs and just being a celebrity there before his music career. He'd give bouncers a thousand just to let him through, tip the bar tender a thousand for keeping a bottle on ice for him, and stuff like that. So the stories go at least.
Thats more than the average petty drug dealer that anyone can do can afford, trust me. I tip with $100s, tipping with a thousand is just crazy.
Thats more than the average petty drug dealer that anyone can do can afford, trust me. I tip with $100s, tipping with a thousand is just crazy.
/\ I'd question those stories.
Don't forget, Jigga was in Big L's shadow for most of the 90's. Listen to "Da Graveyard" off Big L's first LP and it's obvious who the star is.
Then listen to L completely kill of Jigga on the 7-minute freestyle - Jigga tried to drop his early trademark double time flow, Big L did the same and shit on him "Ay yo my crew be delivering high lead when gats are clenched/rappers I jack and lynch/nobody can cope with the way I be killin that shit at rap events/Big L is that nigga you expect/to catch wreck on any cassette deck/I'm so ahead of my time my parents haven't met yet"
Jay had no swagger at this stage in his career, you can hear it in his voice, he was a rookie. And this was like '94/'95. If Jigga was that much of a don on the streets, he would have had way more swagger than that. There's almost a nervousness in his voice.
I'd give you '96, after Reasonable Doubt and after he started rolling with Big, because Big rolled with them dudes. The whole of Bad Boy was running with them flashy ass hood gangsters at the time and had been for a while. Not to mention due to Jay creating Roc-A-Fella with Dame and inking the Priority distribution deal, Reasonable Doubt, although not a massively high selling album at the time, earned Jigga a lot more scrilla than Average Joe Rapper on a major label. So he had his own scrilla by then........for the sake of a good story rumors may have been spread that he had been living that life a couple years prior...etc.
Don't forget, Jigga was in Big L's shadow for most of the 90's. Listen to "Da Graveyard" off Big L's first LP and it's obvious who the star is.
Then listen to L completely kill of Jigga on the 7-minute freestyle - Jigga tried to drop his early trademark double time flow, Big L did the same and shit on him "Ay yo my crew be delivering high lead when gats are clenched/rappers I jack and lynch/nobody can cope with the way I be killin that shit at rap events/Big L is that nigga you expect/to catch wreck on any cassette deck/I'm so ahead of my time my parents haven't met yet"
Jay had no swagger at this stage in his career, you can hear it in his voice, he was a rookie. And this was like '94/'95. If Jigga was that much of a don on the streets, he would have had way more swagger than that. There's almost a nervousness in his voice.
I'd give you '96, after Reasonable Doubt and after he started rolling with Big, because Big rolled with them dudes. The whole of Bad Boy was running with them flashy ass hood gangsters at the time and had been for a while. Not to mention due to Jay creating Roc-A-Fella with Dame and inking the Priority distribution deal, Reasonable Doubt, although not a massively high selling album at the time, earned Jigga a lot more scrilla than Average Joe Rapper on a major label. So he had his own scrilla by then........for the sake of a good story rumors may have been spread that he had been living that life a couple years prior...etc.
I know what you mean. But the real ass gangstas that I know thay try (occasionally) to rap? They can't flow for shit BUT you can tell they are some grimy ass motherfuckaz.
They have a sincerity and conviction in their voice and tone even if they got no rhythm. Jay was the opposite - he had rhythm and flow but he didnt sound sincere, or hardcore at all.
They have a sincerity and conviction in their voice and tone even if they got no rhythm. Jay was the opposite - he had rhythm and flow but he didnt sound sincere, or hardcore at all.
I guess youre right, but its not really a definitive answer either way. The Big L thing, L was a known studio gangster, a rapper who hung out with gangsters when he became a rapper, probably what got him killed. So maybe thats why he was down with Jay?
Who knows.
I mean, you hear stories about the likes of Eric B, and even Fat Joe (who is as real as they come), but not much about Jay either way, none saying he a studio gangster and none saying he was real.
Who knows.
I mean, you hear stories about the likes of Eric B, and even Fat Joe (who is as real as they come), but not much about Jay either way, none saying he a studio gangster and none saying he was real.
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