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Madonna vs. Elton John vs. The Beach Boys

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#1
MADONNA​
After a star reaches a certain point, it's easy to forget what they became famous for and concentrate solely on their persona. Madonna is such a star. Madonna rocketed to stardom so quickly in 1984 that it obscured most of her musical virtues. Appreciating her music became even more difficult as the decade wore on, as discussing her lifestyle became more common than discussing her music. However, one of Madonna's greatest achievements is how she manipulated the media and the public with her music, her videos, her publicity, and her sexuality. Arguably, Madonna was the first female pop star to have complete control of her music and image.

ELTON JOHN​
In terms of sales and lasting popularity, Elton John was the biggest pop superstar of the early '70s. Initially marketed as a singer/songwriter, John soon revealed he could craft Beatlesque pop and pound out rockers with equal aplomb. He could dip into soul, disco, and country, as well as classic pop balladry and even progressive rock. His versatility, combined with his effortless melodic skills, dynamic charisma, and flamboyant stage shows, made him the most popular recording artist of the '70s. Unlike many pop stars, John was able to sustain his popularity, charting a Top 40 single every single year from 1970 to 1996. During that time, he had temporary slumps in creativity and sales, as he fell out of favor with critics, had fights with his lyricist Bernie Taupin, and battled various addictions and public scandals. But through it all, John remained a remarkably popular artist and many of his songs -- including "Your Song," "Rocket Man," "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road," and "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me" -- became contemporary pop standards.

THE BEACH BOYS​
Beginning their career as the most popular surf band in the nation, the Beach Boys finally emerged by 1966 as America's pre-eminent pop group, the only act able to challenge (for a brief time) the overarching success of the Beatles with both mainstream listeners and the critical community. From their 1961 debut with the regional hit "Surfin," the three Wilson brothers -- Brian, Dennis, and Carl -- plus cousin Mike Love and friend Al Jardine constructed the most intricate, gorgeous harmonies ever heard from a pop band. With Brian's studio proficiency growing by leaps and bounds during the mid-'60s, the Beach Boys also proved to be one of the best-produced groups of the '60s, exemplified by their 1966 peak with the Pet Sounds LP and the number one single "Good Vibrations." Though Brian's escalating drug use and obsessive desire to trump the Beatles (by recording the perfect LP statement) eventually led to a nervous breakdown after he heard Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, the group soldiered on long into the 1970s and '80s, with Brian only an inconsistent participant. The band's post-1966 material is often maligned (if it's recognized at all), but the truth is the Beach Boys continued to make great music well into the '70s. Displayed best on 1970's Sunflower, each member revealed individual talents never fully developed during the mid-'60s -- Carl became a solid, distinctive producer and Brian's replacement as nominal bandleader, Mike continued to provide a visual focus as the frontman for live shows, and Dennis developed his own notable songwriting talents. Though legal wranglings and marginal oldies tours during the '90s often obscured what made the Beach Boys great, the band's unerring ability to surf the waves of commercial success and artistic development during the '60s made them America's first, best rock band.
 

Bobby Sands

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#2
I hate Madonna with a passion so thats here ruled out.

But it has to be Elton John over the Beach Boys.He has made some beautiful songs over the years and has a great voice.
 

Casey

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#3
Elton is ruled out for me since he doesn't write his lyrics. Throw it up there as an Elton John/Bernie Taupin duo and I'd consider it more.

Beach Boys.....nah. Overrated IMO, and as bio says, trying to hard to be The Beatles.

I'm going with Madonna. Yeah, she sucks nowadays and has done for a long time, but she defined what it is to be a female superstar, back in the 80s. I can imagine modern contemporary music without Elton, and without the Beach Boys. I can't imagine it without Madonna - every time one of these teen starlets decides they want to be more sexual, from Britney, to Christina, Jessica Simpson, etc etc etc etc etc etc....they always end up lifting something from 80s Madonna. always.
 

Casey

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#7
Elton John does not win this for me, as I stated, because he doesn't write any words to anything. All he does is play piano. Bernie Taupin writes the words.

beReal, don't you fucking dare antagonise people's opinions in here. you want to play that game, i could tell you you have "no clue" since i highly doubt you have even ever sat down and listened to a madonna album, elton john album OR a beach boys album.

Until you can write me a 500 word critique of Madonna's 'True Blue', Elton's 'Goodbye Yellow Brick Road', and Beach Boys 'Pet Sounds', and tell me exactly why 'Goodbye Yellow Brick Road' is better than the other two, don't come in here and say anyone who disagrees with you "has no clue".
 

Bobby Sands

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#8
Does Madonna write the words to her songs?As far as i know she doesn't.And even if she did they are crap

"From Paris to Berlin and every disco ive been in
i was looking for love"

What rubbish

Gwen Stefani adopted Madonna's style for some of her solo songs and bettered it imo.


Elton John used to write his own songs,and he has a great voice.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Madonna over Elton John?
 
#10
Personally I love Elton John and Madonna just as equally however I hadn't liked anything Madonna came out with in the past several years. I did not dig the whole geisha era or the cowgirl thing nor the disco crap so that put me out of the loop with her for a few years but her latest release ''Confessions'' was amazing. I can't stop listening to it and I saw her in concert last year as well as Elton John in 2005 and I have to say those two shows are right up there as being in my top 5 list of all times. I am not however looking forward to the fact that Madonna is reverting back to releasing another hip hop sounding album late this year/ early next year. I think it will bomb :( Madonna's 80's stuff is just amazing.
 

Casey

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#11
Does Madonna write the words to her songs?As far as i know she doesn't.And even if she did they are crap

"From Paris to Berlin and every disco ive been in
i was looking for love"

What rubbish

Gwen Stefani adopted Madonna's style for some of her solo songs and bettered it imo.


Elton John used to write his own songs,and he has a great voice.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Madonna over Elton John?
Yes, Madonna writes her songs. She has co-writers and co-producers, just like everyone else. She has written some crap stuff, given. But she's also written some great stuff and at least during the 80's she was very visionary and a few steps ahead of any other female artist when it came to breaking new ground.

It is VERY rare that an artist solely produces and writes all their own material - Prince is one of those people. Since day 1 he has written, composed, produced, played all the instruments and arranged and performed the songs himself.

Another person that does that is Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails), but even he has co-producers a lot of the time.

Elton has never written the lyrics to any of his songs. Not once. He plays the piano. That's it. He has a fucking great sense of melody though.


You can say Gwen took Madonna's style and bettered it, I'm not going to disagree with that because that is only your opinion, Bobby, but who invented and popularised that style? Gwen couldn't have pushed it in her own direction if Madonna hadn't done in the first place.

And they very fact that Gwen is doing something that Madonna already did 20 years ago is the reason why Gwen's solo material isn't particularly interesting. She had a much more original style, both vocally and visually, in No Doubt, and I know you agree with me on that one.

The bottom-line is that when you're talking about male artists, there's a harder line to cross since there's more competition. There's plenty of people who can play piano like Elton and also write the lyrics, and have had more hits - and when they do the same or a similar style of music, it brings Elton down.

Freddie Mercury, for example. Burt Bacharach has possibly an even greater sense of melody and piano playing, and he rites incredible songs too, which are more iconic than Elton's - he just gives them away to other artists (ie. Raindrops keep falling on my head, Magic Moments, Walk On By, What the world needs now)


Madonna is possibly the most iconic female artist of all time. Some of it is down to talent, some of it is down to right place right time, some of it because she is a visionary. But her contribution to music history will, in the long run, be a hell of a lot more applauded than Elton's.
 

Bobby Sands

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#13
Originally Posted by Militant
Elton has never written the lyrics to any of his songs. Not once. He plays the piano. That's it. He has a fucking great sense of melody though.
I thought Elton John wrote his older songs.

I think the fact that he can sing very well and play the piano very well too gives him the nod over Madonna.What did Madonna ever do.Sing out some crap lyrics badly over music that was created by someone else.In terms of talent Elton John wins hands down as far as i am concerned anyway but to each his own.

tbh,i cant say i ever liked a Madonna song.Im not a huge fan of Elton John but at least some of his songs are deep and meaningful(such as Indian Sunset and Sacrifice).

The point i am making about Gwen Stefani is that she was able to adopt a similar 80's pop style to Madonna in such a short time and put out music which is just as catchy and arguably better.It just wasn't hard to do.Im not a fan of Gwen Stefani's solo music either but at least i can say that i like some of her songs.

I dont really want to get into a debate over Elton John and Madonna because as i said im not a big fan of either.I just prefer Elton John's music.

Elton John just gets the nod for me over the Beach Boys.
 

Casey

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#14
I thought Elton John wrote his older songs.

I think the fact that he can sing very well and play the piano very well too gives him the nod over Madonna.What did Madonna ever do.Sing out some crap lyrics badly over music that was created by someone else.In terms of talent Elton John wins hands down as far as i am concerned anyway but to each his own.

tbh,i cant say i ever liked a Madonna song.Im not a huge fan of Elton John but at least some of his songs are deep and meaningful(such as Indian Sunset and Sacrifice).

The point i am making about Gwen Stefani is that she was able to adopt a similar 80's pop style to Madonna in such a short time and put out music which is just as catchy and arguably better.It just wasn't hard to do.Im not a fan of Gwen Stefani's solo music either but at least i can say that i like some of her songs.

I dont really want to get into a debate over Elton John and Madonna because as i said im not a big fan of either.I just prefer Elton John's music.

Elton John just gets the nod for me over the Beach Boys.
Nah, Elton never wrote any lyrics in his life. At the very beginning of his career, he answered an advert in Melody Maker magazine looking for musicians and lyricists, and responded to the ad. Bernie Taupin also responded to the ad as a lyricist, they were both invited to the record company offices whereby Elton was handed a big stack of lyrics written by Bernie......and it went from there and hasn't stopped since.

What did Madonna ever do? She actually always has a hand in the musical composition and production, so you can't say the music was all "made by someone else".

Vocally, yeah she's not exactly a crooner but she has sang some amazing and noteworthy songs - whether you like her or not, you can't argue with such a long line of hits - holiday, papa don't preach,la isla bonita, like a prayer, vogue, material girl, like a virgin, justify my love (this alone is more interesting than 90% of elton's work), ray of light, Frozen (brilliantly arranged and composed)........

male contemporary pop music was not shaped by elton john any more than a lot of other people. he's in not even in the top 10 people that defined it.

female contemporary pop music is absolutely defined by madonna...that's a fact, whether you choose to admit it or not.


the funny thing is i'm not even much of a madonna fan myself. but there is simply no argument to deny what she has achieved.

your generalised remarks about crap lyrics would suggest you have some sort of issue with madonna, bobby.......you wouldn't happen to be a catholic, would you? :D :D j/p
 

Bobby Sands

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#17
Originally Posted by Militant
Vocally, yeah she's not exactly a crooner but she has sang some amazing and noteworthy songs - whether you like her or not, you can't argue with such a long line of hits - holiday, papa don't preach,la isla bonita, like a prayer, vogue, material girl, like a virgin, justify my love (this alone is more interesting than 90% of elton's work), ray of light, Frozen (brilliantly arranged and composed)........
But thats the thing,i dont like any of her songs.they usually annoy me to the point that i feel like breakiong the radio.

lol.yea i am catholic but going on that basis shouldn't i have more of a problem with Elton John than Madonna because he is a homo.?
 

Casey

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#18
Militant, you can not edit another's post, if it is offensive, you must soft-delete the post so admins/supermods can see it and read what the problem was.

Also, check you PM regarding this.

noted. and responded. cheers :D :thumb:

But thats the thing,i dont like any of her songs.they usually annoy me to the point that i feel like breakiong the radio.

lol.yea i am catholic but going on that basis shouldn't i have more of a problem with Elton John than Madonna because he is a homo.?
Fair enough....surely you must like at least one of her songs? There's artists I really don't like but they always have at least 1 song that is good. You gotta admit 'Frozen' is an excellent tune.

As for the Catholic thing.....well, I can't pretend to know anything at all about Catholicism, but I would think that they would have more a problem with somebody that openly blasts the religion and is accused of blasphemy against it, to the point where the Pope tries to get her banned from Italy, as opposed to someone who has nothing particularly against Catholics but just happens to have a sexual preference that is frowned upon.
 

Bobby Sands

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#19
Well they would probably frown on both of them,but im not a die-hard Catholic like that.I wouldnt adopt the same views as the catholic church on a few things.

tbh,Madonna's criticism of the catholic church had nothing to do with my decision.It based purely on music.
 

Casey

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#20
Well they would probably frown on both of them,but im not a die-hard Catholic like that.I wouldnt adopt the same views as the catholic church on a few things.

tbh,Madonna's criticism of the catholic church had nothing to do with my decision.It based purely on music.
I wasn't suggesting that, I was just messing. I didn't even know that you were a catholic, it was a tongue in cheek remark :)
 

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