Non-Urban Music Eric Clapton vs. Stevie Wonder vs. Jimi Hendrix

Eric Clapton vs. Stevie Wonder vs. Jimi Hendrix

  • Eric Clapton

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ERIC CLAPTON

Although Cream was only together for a little more than two years, their influence was immense, both during their late-'60s peak and in the years following their breakup. Cream was the first top group to truly exploit the power-trio format, in the process laying the foundation for much blues-rock and hard rock of the 1960s and 1970s. It was with Cream, too, that guitarist Eric Clapton truly became an international superstar. By the time Eric Clapton launched his solo career with the release of his self-titled debut album in mid-1970, he was long established as one of the world's major rock stars due to his group affiliations -- the Yardbirds, John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, Cream, and Blind Faith -- which had demonstrated his claim to being the best rock guitarist of his generation.

Stevie Wonder
Stevie Wonder is a much-beloved American icon and an indisputable genius not only of R&B but popular music in general. Blind virtually since birth, Wonder's heightened awareness of sound helped him create vibrant, colorful music teeming with life and ambition. Nearly everything he recorded bore the stamp of his sunny, joyous positivity; even when he addressed serious racial, social, and spiritual issues (which he did quite often in his prime), or sang about heartbreak and romantic uncertainty, an underlying sense of optimism and hope always seemed to emerge. Much like his inspiration, Ray Charles, Wonder had a voracious appetite for many different kinds of music, and refused to confine himself to any one sound or style. His best records were a richly eclectic brew of soul, funk, rock & roll, sophisticated Broadway/Tin Pan Alley-style pop, jazz, reggae, and African elements -- and they weren't just stylistic exercises; Wonder took it all and forged it into his own personal form of expression. His range helped account for his broad-based appeal, but so did his unique, elastic voice, his peerless melodic facility, his gift for complex arrangements, and his taste for lovely, often sentimental ballads. Additionally, Wonder's pioneering use of synthesizers during the '70s changed the face of R&B; he employed a kaleidoscope of contrasting textures and voices that made him a virtual one-man band, all the while evoking a surprisingly organic warmth. Along with Marvin Gaye and Isaac Hayes, Wonder brought R&B into the album age, crafting his LPs as cohesive, consistent statements with compositions that often took time to make their point. All of this made Wonder perhaps R&B's greatest individual auteur, rivaled only by Gaye or, in later days, Prince.

Jimi Hendrix
In his brief four-year reign as a superstar, Jimi Hendrix expanded the vocabulary of the electric rock guitar more than anyone before or since. Hendrix was a master at coaxing all manner of unforeseen sonics from his instrument, often with innovative amplification experiments that produced astral-quality feedback and roaring distortion. His frequent hurricane blasts of noise and dazzling showmanship -- he could and would play behind his back and with his teeth and set his guitar on fire -- has sometimes obscured his considerable gifts as a songwriter, singer, and master of a gamut of blues, R&B, and rock styles. Are You Experienced? was an astonishing debut, particularly from a young R&B veteran who had rarely sung, and apparently never written his own material, before the Experience formed. What caught most people's attention at first was his virtuosic guitar playing, which employed an arsenal of devices, including wah-wah pedals, buzzing feedback solos, crunching distorted riffs, and lightning, liquid runs up and down the scales. But Hendrix was also a first-rate songwriter, melding cosmic imagery with some surprisingly pop-savvy hooks and tender sentiments. He was also an excellent blues interpreter and passionate, engaging singer (although his gruff, throaty vocal pipes were not nearly as great assets as his instrumental skills). Are You Experienced? was psychedelia at its most eclectic, synthesizing mod pop, soul, R&B, Dylan, and the electric guitar innovations of British pioneers like Jeff Beck, Pete Townshend, and Eric Clapton.
 

Sebastian

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#2
Dont really know much about their music...so its hard to vote.

Ill give my vote to Stevie though.

Edit: Illu, you forgot the poll.
 

hizzle?

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#3
This one is hard to chose between Clapton and Hendrix. Wonder was great, but compared to Hendrix and Clapton, he's small.

I'm not sure that people relaize how important Hendrix was to rock and roll and how Clapton was important to rock and blues.

I'm not taking anything away from Wonder, but Hendrix was so much important, not only to rock, but to music itself.

His lyrics were poetic, political, whatever you want... and he put emotion into it.

The only thing I can take away from him is that most of his biggest songs weren't his composures. He took All along the watchtower from Dylan, he took Hey Joe, and a few others songs from other artists.

Anyways, What's the criteria for this vote? I mean, are we searching for the most influental artist of all time...Because if we are, Dylan wins this automaticly :confused:
 

Casey

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#4
Stevie. Genius without a doubt. "Songs in the key of life" is just incredible.

I can't take anything away from Jimi though. Just, whoa. But Stevie edges it.
 

hizzle?

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#5
What??? Are you crazY??!! He's the best guitar player of the genre that most people listened to in music history!
 
#7
wow, this one is much touger for me than the last one. all 3 have contributed some of the greatest music ever made. if we're talking about the biggest influence on music of the 3 then Jimi definitely takes it for me. hell, even Clapton was inspired by Jimi. but from a strictly musical standpoint all 3 have had profound impacts in their respective genres. although it's very close between Stevie and Jimi, i'm gonna go with Jimi.
 

Casey

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#8
Yeah you can't fuck with Jimi on guitar, but I don't think Jimi could fuck with Stevie on keyboards.

The deciding factor is that Jimi's own songs haven't really stood the test of time compared to his covers, whereas Stevie wrote and produced hit after hit. "Superstition" and "Living For The City" alone seal the deal for Stevie.


very superstitious.....the writings on the wall.....
 

Casey

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#9
I can see where all of these threads are gonna go.

It's like, are we talking about cultural impact or musical ability and consistency?

Because, anyone who died early is going to have more cultural impact. I.e Bob Marley in the last thread, Hendrix in this one. Reason for that is that most of these artists have died in their prime, so they are immortalised at the peak of their ability and basically young forever.

On a technical level alone, Hendrix's playing isn't massively ahead of people like Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen or Ritchie Blackmore. But none of those guys are characters, and none of them died young.

I mean was Biggie as good as 'Pac? Nah. but because he also died young, people would argue that into the ground and many would even tell you he was better.

Can you imagine if Michael had died after Thriller, or after Bad? His cultural impact by now would rival anyone's. It did for years and still does to a point. But because with time brings more chance for mistakes, some people will dog him now. I GUARANTEE if Bob or Jimi hadn't died they would have released something wildly mediocre at some point, and have been considered irrelevant.

Mark my words, the final thread will consist of brilliant artists who died young. Kurt Cobain will be there. Bob will be there. Jimi will be there. John Lennon will be there. 2Pac will be there, if Illu has included rappers.

I'll tell you right now. Kurt to win. ;)
 
#10
On a technical level alone, Hendrix's playing isn't massively ahead of people like Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen or Ritchie Blackmore. But none of those guys are characters, and none of them died young.
well there is a big difference between those guys and Jimi Hendrix, and it's not that Jimi's dead; he was an innovator. who had more of an impact on the guitar and the way it is played than Jimi? his sound changed the landscape of rock, and music in general, in a lot of ways. before he picked up a guitar, how many people were playing the way he did? he was inventive, creative, an innovator. all those other guys are good, even great, but they are following in the footsteps of innovators like Jimi. that's what makes him so special to most people.

you can look at it how you want, and dying in your prime is something that tends to make your work more notable than others. but don't assume people are only voting for Jimi or Marley simply because he's dead, because i assure you that it is not the case.
 

Casey

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#11
well there is a big difference between those guys and Jimi Hendrix, and it's not that Jimi's dead; he was an innovator. who had more of an impact on the guitar and the way it is played than Jimi? his sound changed the landscape of rock, and music in general, in a lot of ways. before he picked up a guitar, how many people were playing the way he did? he was inventive, creative, an innovator. all those other guys are good, even great, but they are following in the footsteps of innovators like Jimi. that's what makes him so special to most people.

you can look at it how you want, and dying in your prime is something that tends to make your work more notable than others. but don't assume people are only voting for Jimi or Marley simply because he's dead, because i assure you that it is not the case.
Jimi did not have any impact on the guitar until after he was dead. THAT was when people starting taking notice, just like what happened with Kurt, 'Pac, and countless others.

I never said he wasn't an innovator. But would his accomplishments have been as widely noticed had he lived?

I'm not saying people are voting for them because they are dead, what I'm saying is, they are heaped more acclaim because they are dead by the world in general, and half the people that will end up voting for them here will do so because of that, as they have grown up knowing that acclaim, even though those people don't necessarily know ANYTHING about that person's life and music apart from what's considered to be "the general consensus" of that artist.

I guarantee you some of the people that voted for Marley in the last thread have never sat down and listened to a Bob Marley album, and if you asked them their favorite track they would say "Jammin'" or "No Woman No Cry". Hell some of them probably couldn't even name a Marley album or a Hendrix album.

In fact, to go even further, I doubt that more than three people on that last thread have sat down and objectively listened to Bob Marley, Prince AND The Clash.

Just as in this thread, there's probably not more than 3 people that have objectively listened to Jimi, Stevie AND Clapton. So what gives them to right to have an opinion on something when they know absolutely fuck all about it? If you've never listened to The Clash how do you know that Bob Marley is better? Answer - you don't, but you think you do because of general media acclaim (partially fuelled by early death) and the standard opinion of people that don't actually know jack shit.

People that don't know really know much about any of the artists would vote for Bob in that thread and Jimi in this one.

Now, don't misunderstand me and think that I'm saying that people who do vote for Bob and Jimi don't know anything about the artists we've discussed, that's not what I'm saying.

My point is, that Bob and Jimi are so widely regarded IRRESPECTIVELY of their music, that anyone with a general interest in music, who had more than likely only heard a few Bob Marley songs, a few Prince songs, and a few Clash songs, would vote for Marley.

And by the same rule, anyone only vaguely familiar with Hendrix, Stevie and Clapton, and only having a heard a few of their songs, would vote for Jimi.

I'm not talking about you here Devious, you and Illu are both very well versed in music history. I'm talking about everyone else, the majority, which is the fatal flaw in these sort of posts no matter what the audience is, unless every single person with an opinion on the matter really knows their shit and has heavily listened to all three artists.

If the majority of the people who win this poll are all people who died in their prime and get held to higher esteem because of that, then my point will be proven. And I'd put money on that happening. Surely you must see where I'm coming from on this.
 
#12
wow, this one is much touger for me than the last one. all 3 have contributed some of the greatest music ever made.
So have The Clash :fury:

Mark my words, the final thread will consist of brilliant artists who died young. Kurt Cobain will be there. Bob will be there. Jimi will be there. John Lennon will be there. 2Pac will be there, if Illu has included rappers.
I haven't included rappers.

If Kurt makes it past the first round, and I'm sure he will, he'll do very well to get past the second round. Lennon too, though his first round group is a little tougher.

By the way, my predicted Final Six doesn't include Marley, Cobain, Hendrix or Lennon ;)
 
#13
no i do see where you're coming from Mil, and the one thing about these polls is that people are going to pick who they like. not who was the best, but who they like more. and death does seem to have a great impact on your popularity. i'm not even saying you're wrong, i kinda agree that whoever wins this in the end, it will be a dead guy. but it seemed to me you were assuming that everyone was picking Bob Marley and Jimi only because they are dead, and i don't think that's the case, at least not for everyone who voted for them. but i get what you mean.

i have to dispute your claim about Jimi not having an impact until he died tho. now he didn't singlehandedly change the face of music in the 60's, i won't give him that much credit, but listen to a lot of music from that time, before he was around, and then listen to some that came out after he became known. a lot of people picked up on what he was doing and became influenced by that, and you can hear it in the music of that time. look at the Woodstock footage, now i know all those people are probably wasted out of their minds, but look at the reaction of the people when Jimi played. he definitely had an impact in his time. that impact only grew after he died.
 
#14
So have The Clash :fury:
i wasn't saying they didn't, but i haven't heard enough of their body of work to make a complete assessment of them. in this poll tho, i am much more familiar with all 3 artists' work, so that made the decision much tougher for me. i respect The Clash tho, they did do some great music, i just haven't heard enough of it for them to merit the same respect i have for the other artists
 

Casey

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#15
no i do see where you're coming from, and the one thing about these polls is that people are going to pick who they like. not who was the best, but who they like more. and death does seem to have a great impact on your popularity. i'm not even saying you're wrong, i kinda agree that whoever wins this in the end, it will be a dead guy. but it seemed to me you were assuming that everyone was picking Bob Marley and Jimi only because they are dead, and i don't think that's the case, at least not for everyone who voted for them. but i get what you mean.

i have to dispute your claim about Jimi not having an impact until he died tho. now he didn't singlehandedly change the face of music in the 60's, i won't give him that much credit, but listen to a lot of music from that time, before he was around, and then listen to some that came out after he became known. a lot of people picked up on what he was doing and became influenced by that, and you can hear it in the music of that time. look at the Woodstock footage, now i know all those people are probably wasted out of their minds, but look at the reaction of the people when Jimi played. he definitely had an impact in his time. that impact only grew after he died.
Oh yeah, he had an impact, but no more so than a lot of other bands around at the same time. Santana's Woodstock set went down massively well as did Sly and The Family Stone's.

In fact I know a lot of people that would tell you that Sly and The Family Stone were infinitely more influential to music than Jimi, since they were the first multi-racial band in what was still a very segregated era, not to mention that bassist Larry Graham invented the style of "slap bass", which in terms of innovation is up there with anything Jimi did with the guitar.

Illumi - Not knowing who else is on your list, I can't make a comment. But I would be very surprised if the forementioned weren't there. A few years ago I would say Michael would definately end up there, but unfortunately many of today's generation seem to bypass his incredible work and legacy in favor of lame jokes about a crime he is innocent of. I would hope he would get through, anyhow, his contributions to popular music cannot be overlooked IMHO.
 
#16
Oh yeah, he had an impact, but no more so than a lot of other bands around at the same time. Santana's Woodstock set went down massively well as did Sly and The Family Stone's.

In fact I know a lot of people that would tell you that Sly and The Family Stone were infinitely more influential to music than Jimi, since they were the first multi-racial band in what was still a very segregated era, not to mention that bassist Larry Graham invented the style of "slap bass", which in terms of innovation is up there with anything Jimi did with the guitar.

Illumi - Not knowing who else is on your list, I can't make a comment. But I would be very surprised if the forementioned weren't there.
well the Woodstock set was just an example. but all you have to do is ask 9 out of 10 guitarists who their main influence was to know how much of an impact he had on music and the way it's played. i'm not saying he was the most influential person in rock, or that he had the biggest impact of all the artists of that time, but i can't think of too many artists from that time, or any other time for that matter, who picked up an instrument and made you totally rethink the way it is played. Jimi did things on guitar that no one had ever heard before. i'm not knocking Sly, or their impact on music, but i don't see it as being as great as Jimi's impact. of course that's just my opinion.
 

hizzle?

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#17
If Bob Dylan doesnt win this thing, I'll beat the living shit out of all of you motherfuckers.

He's the reason behind the sentence "music lets you express your opinions."

I hate all of you. :(
 

Casey

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#18
well the Woodstock set was just an example. but all you have to do is ask 9 out of 10 guitarists who their main influence was to know how much of an impact he had on music and the way it's played. i'm not saying he was the most influential person in rock, or that he had the biggest impact of all the artists of that time, but i can't think of too many artists from that time, or any other time for that matter, who picked up an instrument and made you totally rethink the way it is played. Jimi did things on guitar that no one had ever heard before. i'm not knocking Sly, or their impact on music, but i don't see it as being as great as Jimi's impact. of course that's just my opinion.
I would never dispute Jimi's influence, my point is that his influence has just as much to do with his image, persona and early death as it does to his musical chops. and just because Jimi was the first person to expose people to certain ways of playing the guitar doesn't mean he invented those techniques or was the first to do them, just the first to expose them to a wide audience.

A lot of people would say that Frank Zappa had just as much influence. In fact, did you know that Jimi gave Frank the guitar that he set on fire at the Miami Rock Festival? Check this out:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAX_YMFcXDs[/YOUTUBE]

and hizzle, I don't think enough people here are familiar enough with Dylan for him to win this.
 

Bobby Sands

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#19
Im still undecided in this one.though,ill prob. choose between Clapton and Stevie Wonder.I gonna go listen to both artists now.I never listend to Hendrix,although i probably will now.Can i get some recommendations?
 
#20
All Along The Watchtower, Purple Haze, Foxy Lady, Wind Cries Mary, Voodoo Child, Castles Made of Sand.

Good to see this poll is a lot closer than the last.
 

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